Talk:Rehab (Rihanna song)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Radio Airplay

It is gaining radio play, but there is no proof or citation if it is in fact the sixth single from her album. I believe this page should be deleted.

Disturbia

Distubia is going to get a UK release. Why would the music video be on UK itunes if the song not getting a release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.202.236 (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

CD Single

Today the CD Single of Rehab was released on the UK, but the cover of the CD was not leaked. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.28.13.158 (talk) 11:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed single?

Is Rehab really a confirmed single? I haven't heard anything about its confirmation. I thought Breakin' Dishes was going to be the new single after Disturbia --Legolas2186 (talk) 08:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It's honestly unknown at this point. There is apparently a promotional email from Def Jam stating that "Rehab" will be the followup single, but as I noted on that talk page, there's no concrete evidence stating that either song will become a single. I will say that I heard "Rehab" in a store, but I'm not sure if that counts. :P SKS2K6 (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Rehab goes for airplay adds next week. It is the only "official" single that the record label will be working. If any of my colleagues choose to put Breakin' Dishes on their radio stations, that is entirely their perogative and if enough of them choose to do so and the record charts on Mediabase, then I'm all for it having its own article. --Winger84 (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

CD Cover

CD cover for Rehab has been released? Or is this a fan made cover? --"Legolas" (talk) 13:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The cover that keeps being inserted into the article is sourced to a website that fails Wikipedia policies on reliable sources, as a fan blog. Therefore, until a properly uploaded image with the proper rationale is provided, we can not use the image in this article. --Winger84 (talk) 19:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Chances for Rehab

What do you all think are the chances that "Rehab" will be another #1 single by Rihanna? Share your thoughts on this. Also, is there any inputs regarding the music video for the single? i saw on E! News that Rihanna performed Rehab at a Justin Timberlake concert to raise money in LA. So that means she is indeed promoting the single, thats good! Initially i thought that due to the hoopla surrounding the success of "Live Your Life" with T.I., this single may be pushed furhter back for release, but atlast its releasing then if the Radio add-on date of November 4th is correct.--"Legolas" (talk) 08:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

No...I think that rehab won't be another #1....--87.19.251.235 (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

No, not really. Well, almost everyone got this song, so probably no one would download it again or buy the CD single. The only thing that could helb Rehab is the airplay... --It's Flo (talk) 16:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Rehab moving up the Hot 100

Well, well contrary to popular belief, Rehab is indeed moving up the charts upon the billboard hot 100. This week it juped 30 places from 91 to 61. Though i haven't seen the video i have to give it to Rihanna, that girl has what it takes. "Legolas" (talk) 05:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not a general forum about the article. Please refrain from starting such discussions. Thank you.  AcroX  00:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

wow, congrats to Rihanna!! well done Ri-Ri 220.227.179.4 (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics

I'm not sure that the song lyrics should be on here? Dt128 (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

They should not. That's copyright infringement.  AcroX  21:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just notifying that the lyrics were on here, not that i wanted them to be onDt128 (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rehab (Rihanna song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 19:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC) Will begin shortly.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• Info box

1. No issues.

• Lead info

1. "released as the final eight single" → "released as the eighth and final single"
2. "The track was produced by Timbaland and co-produced by Hannon Lane" → "The track was co-produced by Timbaland and Hannon Lane"
3. "premiered a fifty second shorter single version" → Don't like the wording.
4. "It was physically released as a single..." → "It was released as a physical single..."
5. "and then worldwide accompanied by an instrumental version of the song as its B-side." → Don't like the wording here either.

   You've spelt "instrumental" as "nstrumental" at the end of the first paragraph. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

6. "emotionally" → "emotional"
7. "while reaching number sixteen on the UK Singles Chart. In the United States it reached number eighteen on the Billboard Hot 100." → "while reaching number sixteen on the UK Singles Chart, as well as number eighteen on the US Billboard Hot 100."
8. "and it was shot outside" → "and shot". 'Shot' is indicative of the past tense, therefore no need for 'was'.

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Background

1. ""Rehab" came about after Rihanna was following Timbaland on his tour with Justin Timberlake in the United States in 2007." → What do you mean by 'following Timbland on his tour'?
2. Only the one source is used at the end of the paragraph, use it at the end of each sentence otherwise it will look like the first few sentences are WP:OR, when they aren't.
3. "Timberlake wrote the song's lyrics in his head and not on paper." → Re-write, doesn't make sense saying he wrote it in his head.

    Not done I still don't like the wording of the Timberlake having the lyrics in his head line, as well as the previous line about Timbaland creating the beat. Both don't flow. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

4. "She said that she was at that stage of the song's development; she, Timberlake and Timbaland were all very impressed and loved the song." → Doesn't make sense to read.
5. "Rihanna took control of the way she sounded on the record with confidence." → This doesn't make sense either.
6. "learnt" → "learn't"
7. "she said:" → "saying"

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Actually, the entire first paragraph needs to be copy-edited, it just consists of very short one line sentences. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   What about it now?!

   Yeah that makes more sense to read now. Only one point to address in this section, the first point ^^. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Composition

1. "emotional toned vocals" → "emotional vocals"
2. "Also Doug Rule of Metro Weekly felt..." → "Also, Doug Rule of Metro Weekly, felt..."

    Not done. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

3. "Lyrically, the song is metaphorical." → WP:OR, also short and awkward to read. Give an explanation with a source or remove it.

    Not done. Still doesn't read right. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

I really don't have an idea how to write it on another way, can it be simply, About the songs lyrics Rihanna explained, or Rihanna explained the songs lyrics stating? Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

1. "Margeaux Watson from Entertainment Weekly" → "Margeaux Watson of Entertainment Weekly". Be consistent.

    Not done Calvin• ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

2. "It compares an ex-boyfriend to rehabilitation jargon of which include: diseases, drugs and depression. It talks about forgetting a boyfriend following a break-up.[4]" → Is this still apart of Watson's review?

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done. There were a few little mistakes which I have corrected (Full stop after a reference etc.) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Critical Recpetion

1. Start with the positive, then the negative.
2. Make both paragraphs as one. It looks a bit weak at the moment, having a three line paragraph.
3. "Popmatters" → "PopMatters"
4. "Billboard predicted that" → Who from Billboard? Pretty sure the magazine itself didn't predict something!
5. "Metro Weekly" → "Metro Weekly"

    Not done You haven't wiki-linked Metro Weekly like I said in point 5. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done There were a few prose errors which I have corrected for you. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Chart performance

1. "at position ninety-one" → "at number ninety-one"
2. "With the song, Rihanna became the first artist to extract eight Hot 100 hits from one album since Shania Twain who achieved an octet of U.S. chart hits from Come On Over (1997).[25]" → Re-word, doesn't quite flow.
3. "It also reached nineteen" → "It also peaked at number nineteen"
4. "and reached a peak of nineteen.[28]" → "and reached a peak position of nineteen.[28]"
5. "number thirty-seven on the issue dated November 17, 2008, and leaped to twenty-eight two weeks later." → Hardly a 'leap', it was ascended 9 places in the high twenties.
6. "after jumping twenty-seven places to number twenty-four.[33]" → Now 27 places is a leap! lol.
7. "The next week the song further..." →"The next week, the song further..."
8. "and has peaked at number nine.[35]" → "and peaked at number nine.[35]"
9. "seventh top-five there.[39]" → "seventh top-five in this territory.[39]"

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done. (There were 2 grammar errors which I have fixed for you. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

• Music video - Development

1. "Mandler has directed many of Rihanna's music videos, including: "Disturbia" and "Unfaithful".[42]" → You say 'many', but you only mention two? I'd mention no more than four.
2. "Timberlake's then-girlfriend, and American actress, Jessica Biel was.." → "Timberlake's then-girlfriend, American actress Jessica Biel, was..."
3. "I'm the guy in the video. The guy in the video," → That doesn't make sense to read.
4. "A sneak-peak of the music video was released on November 13, 2008." → WP:OR

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music video - Synopsis

1. Pilates? I thought she just stood against a car?
2. This section needs copy-editing, I don't think ti reads well or flows.
3. Why is there a review of the video in the Synopsis section and not in the Reception section?

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music video - Reception

1. "positively reviewed the music video saying:" → "praised the music video saying,"

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

• Live performances

1. "On April 28, 2008, Rihanna performed the song live at the Pepsi Center. John Wenzel from The Denver Post said the following of the performance:" → Completely re-word.
2. "The song is fourth on Rihanna's setlist for her Good Girl Gone Bad Tour.[60]" → Re-word to the past tense.
3. "Before performing the song, she speaks to her audience saying the song was written by her very good friend, Justin Timberlake and that she hopes the audience likes it. She performs it wearing a revealing leather outfit singing into microphone stand." → WP:OR
4. ""Rehab" is featured as twelfth track on Rihanna's setlist for her 2010 tour, Last Girl on Earth Tour.[61]" → Re-word to the past tense.

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Formats and track listings

1. No issues.

• Credits and personnel

1. No issues.

• Charts and certifications - Charts/Certifications/Year End charts

1. No issues.

• Radio and release history

1. Why are the sources for the US in the Format column and not in the Country section like the others? it's fine to put them there.

 Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music television adds

1. This section isn't needed.

 Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• References

1. One dead link Removed Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
2. Ref 11: Why is the publisher italicised?

   Probably because Billboard is a magazine? Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You don't have to italicise the publisher. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   Publisher should be after the work.

3. Ref 12: Publisher?

   Well there is a publisher. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You need a publisher. List Pitchfork as the work and the publisher, but don't italicise the work parameter. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

4. Ref 14: Access date?
5. Ref 16: Access date?
6. Ref 21: Publisher?

   ??? Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You need to list the publisher, which is Popmatters. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

7. Ref 23: That's not the actual publisher for Billboard magazine, look at Ref 24 for it.

   'Billboard' should be italicised. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

8. Ref 24: Why does it go work, title, publisher, and not title, work, publisher?

   Calvin I really think you have some wrongs with the references numbers. Ref. no 24 is a chart reference, so uses other way of format. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   No, I'm right. Look at ref 23, then have a look at ref 24 in the references section. The title is in between 'Billboard' and ' Prometheus Global Media', it should be the title, then 'Billboard', then ' Prometheus Global Media'. See now? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   I really can understand you, both references are fine to me.

   Ref 23: "US Singles Top 100 (November 22, 2008) - Music Charts". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved 2010-09-04. (title, work, publisher)

   Ref 24: "Rihanna Album & Song Chart History" Billboard Hot 100 for Rihanna. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved 2010-08-31. (title, work, publisher) Tomica1111 (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   That's not how it reads here though. Ref 23 is fine, perfect. Ref 24 should look like Ref 23. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   It reads the same in the references sections for Rehab, and I am not kidding. I copied the both upper texts from how it looks in the section. Maybe you have problems with your internet provider, check it again, I am not lying Tomica1111 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Lol I'm not saying you are lying, I just don't get why it shows up different. Maybe because for ref 24 'a' you haven't actually put a source, it only says "US Name". Plus, "Billboard" in ref 23 should be italicised. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

9. Ref 25: Billboard should be italicised.
10. Ref 26: Same as Ref 24 above.
11. Ref 27: Same as Ref 26 and Ref 24 above.

    Same for those references, Billboard (Hot 100, Pop 100) for Rihanna it's actually the work, the reason for that I think it's that it is a chart reference, check, it happens also in "Only Girl (In the World)" or "What's My Name?" Tomica1111 (talk) 17:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

12. Ref 41: Is Spreadit.org as reliable source? Hmm.

    I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be?Tomica1111 (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

13. Ref 42: Rap Up, not Rapup.com
14. Ref 55: I know that Idolator is not reliable for FA articles, which makes me think that it is not reliable for GA articles either.

    I think that Idolator it's reliable for GA. Tomica1111 (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

15. Ref 58: Publisher?
16. Ref 59: Publisher?
17. Ref 60: Publisher?
18. You need to be consistent in how you reference each and every source, using the same format.

You have a lot of work to do here Tomica! On hold for 7 days. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

From what you have done so far, it's still doesn't meet GA criteria. Some parts still need complete copy-editing. I'd suggest you ask a far more experienced editor to help you, especially with the Composition section, just to fine tune things and make the prose flow. Either that, or I fail the article and you list if for a Peer Review? Because GAN reviews aren't supposed to be this detailed, and that's what a Peer Review is for. Also, have you done all the corrections for the references or only the ones you have questioned? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I will try to fix all things, tomorrow morning. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I think, I'm kind of done with the references also, you can check, and tell me. Tomica1111 (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I made some minor prose and grammar changes to help you out a bit, it was easier than spending more time writing it here and explaining it. Article is passed, well done! :) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :D ! Tomica1111 (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources to expand

• http://popwatch.ew.com/2008/11/24/2008-american-m/
• http://search.ew.com/results.html?No=20&Ntt=rihanna+rehab&Ntk=oldest
• http://itunes.apple.com/gb/music-video/rehab-live-from-men-arena/id299983530

GOCE copyedit October 2011

Hi

During the copyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:

Critical reception

• "was a stand-out on the album" - not sure what this means, but if a synopsis then surely it means "stood-out from the rest" (or similar), I have never heard anyone call something a "stand-out". The first ref does not support the text, http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/070614/33/21bkj.html, while the snapshot gives an error page.

Chart performance

• I think top-ten should really be top-10, but will leave it up to the regular editors to decide. The rest of the numbers above nine are written as numerals and, although MoS is ok as either numerals or text, I really think they should follow one style unless there is a specific reason for it.

Chaosdruid (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the c/e. Both you and the User Baffle gab worked on it. About this issues stand out means that, a track that is different from the others, in a positive way of course. And about the chart performance I really think that it should stay top-ten and agree with you about the numerals thing. Again Thanks for the c/e. :) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 16:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Chaosdruid, thank you for your input and work on this article. I was unsure whether to change numbers above nine to written numbers; I started but then realised that they're consistently numerals throughout the article. "Stand-out" generally means that something attracts more attention that the things surrounding it; its in the source so I'm happy. I'm trying to find the correct article to replace the incorrect reference you mentioned; no luck yet via Google. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't really understand here? Which sentence is a problem? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

If the "stand-out" was from a source it should really be in quotation marks and ref'd. The other point was about a ref which was not working when clicked, though it might not be related to that particular sentence.

The numerals thing is because MoS recommends anything over nine to be written as numerals, and as the rest of them are as numerals I thought perhaps top-10 might be more appropriate - it is, of course, up to you all to decide what to do about it as it is not really an issue; unless the FAR demands strict adherence to MoS on that matter (which is why I have simply mentioned it in passing :¬)

Best of luck on the FA! Chaosdruid (talk) 11:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Production and recording

As stated by Rihanna, Timberlake (pictured) wrote the song's lyrics "in his head. He didn't write anything on paper. He went into the booth and sang it."

"Rehab" is one of three songs that were composed and produced by Timbaland for Rihanna's third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad. During this time, Timbaland was on tour with Justin Timberlake, in support of Timberlake's 2007 album FutureSex/LoveSounds, which Timbaland had also produced. After completing a show in Chacago, the duo joined Rihanna in the studio, where Timberkale experimented with various beats and melodies. However, the session failed to yield a complete song. Weeks later, the group rendezvoused in New York. By this time, Timberkale had already conceptualized a song for Rihanna; Timbaland was also brainstorming various beats, and had decided on calling the song "Rehab". Timberlake composed the song extemporaneously, and recorded the lyrics from memory; he did not write them down. Hannon Lane co-wrote and co-produced the song. Demacio Castellon recorded and mixed "Rehab" in 2007 at Roc The Mic Studios in New York City. Rihanna's stint with Timbaland also resulted in "Sell Me Candy" and "Lemme Get That", produced for Good Girl Gone Bad.

Speaking to Entertainment Weekly, Timberlake stated that he believed "Rehab" to be the "bridge for [Rihanna] to be accepted as an adult in the music industry". Rihanna told Robert Copsey of Digital Spy that she enjoyed working with Timberlake, and learned much from the sessions. She said, "Working with Justin in the studio is just great. He's a fun guy and likes to make all the sessions enjoyable. He's also such a genius when it comes to lyrics."

After reading the interview in Entertainment weekly, this is what I gathered. I did this in only a couple minutes, and it's not copyedited. Feel free to use all or most [or none] of it, or edit it mercilessly. But this is what I was looking for, essentially. For you to tell a story about how it all came together. Orane (talk) 23:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you are a genius and i mean it. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank You. Marvelous !!! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 11:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, you guys. In the coming days, week, I may see what I can do for some of the other sections. Orane (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

References

GOCE copy edit, December 2011

Music technicalities

It's in G minor, not G-sharp minor (which would be a 5-sharp key signature). F3-B♭4 is the song's vocal range, not Rihanna's. (It would be unusual for a professional singer to have a vocal range much less than 2 octaves). --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

No, her vocal range is F3-Bb4. With Rihanna, she doesn't always show much range. For example, her range in S&M is merely 1 octave, from B3-B4. I'm very well resourced when it comes to vocals. Rihanna's vocal range, as a whole, is about the 3 Octave mark. She shows 2 octaves on Talk That Talk. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 15:58, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

If her vocal range is around 3 octaves (quite believable for a professional singer) then it's more than F3-Bb4, which is merely the range used on the printed source. In the Rehab video on YouTube, Rihanna actually uses the range F#3-B4. --Stfg (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

You're completely missing the point. Just because she has a 3 octave vocal range (which she has shown studio and live over 6 years), it does not mean that every song she sings demonstrates a 3 octave range. And I know what videos you are talking about, but that I would not trust what he says, I'd go by me instead. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 16:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

What? Is she 3 octave on "Rehab"? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

No. Jivesh, listen to this which demonstates 3 octaves. You then listen to Rehab then you should be able to hear for yourself that Rihanna does not demonstrate a three octave vocal range on Rehab. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 17:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Of course. That's impossible. I read somewhere today that on "1+1", Beyonce does only one octave in the youuuu. So this cannot be 3 octaves obviously. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce doesn't go very low on 1+1. Did you ever watch this? I've had 15,000 views on it now. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 17:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

You made those videos? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Those 2 Beyonce ones, yeah. That is my account. I thought you knew that? Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 17:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I forgot. I am going to watch all of them one by one. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:21, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I am a also a "retired" YouTubeR ... I made this, even its not so watched, it's one of my best works. And this conversation become so fan crufty so it will probably be removed xD ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 17:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

(←) Let's just note some documented facts, please:

1. When I came to copy edit the article at Tomica's request, I found this version of the article from 4th December, and that is the version I copy edited.
2. The "Composition" section of that version began with: ""Rehab" is a mid-tempo R&B ballad with a subtle beat.[8][9] According to the digital sheet music published by Sony/ATV Music Publishing, the song is written in the key of G♯ minor and is set in common time with a moderately slow groove.[10] Rihanna's vocal range spans nearly an octave and a half, from F3 to B4.[10]"
3. FN10 in that version is still FN10 in today's version, and it points to this sheet music. (The link is the original, because the archive loads slowly and sometimes not at all). Please scroll down below the music itself to the information section, where its lists "Instruments" as "Voice, range: F3-Bb4 / Piano / Guitar" and says "Original Published Key: G Minor". Please note also that, to the right of the music, there are buttons you can click to get transpositions to other keys. The last one of them is G# minor. If you click this, you do indeed get a new page of music in that key.
4. In that version of the article, and also in the current version, the "External links" section links to this YouTube video of Rihanna singing Rehab. Notice that the first two notes she sings are B♮ then G# -- she is singing in G# minor (but note: that is WP:OR).

OK as to the facts? Well, note that the sheet music does not say that Rihanna's vocal range is F3-Bb4, just as it does not say that she plays the piano and the guitar. It merely says that's what the song is scored for. (In fact, in the video she uses the range F#3-B4). So in the copy edit I corrected that error and I also corrected the key in the article to what it says in the sheet music source. Then, the opening paragraph if this subsection explained why.

@Calvin, you said: "I know what videos you are talking about, but that I would not trust what he says ..." But in the video I've just given you the link to, there is no "he" saying anything. There is just the song. So I suspect you didn't know what videos I was talking about.

Also, at the time of the copy edit, I didn't know Rihanna's vocal range, I just speculated that it would be at least two octaves, because professional singers seldom if ever have less. And now you tell us it's three -- good! I believe you already! So we agreed all along that it's way more than one and a half! So, when you contradicted me at the top of this section, what did you think I had said? What I think you meant is that F3-Bb4 is the range she uses in this song. But the source (the sheet music) doesn't doesn't say so, and in the Youtube video linked for "External links", she in fact uses a range a semitone higher than that. --Stfg (talk) 19:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I thought you was talking about a vocal range video for Good Girl Gone Bad. Simply as. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 20:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

FN35

The WebCite archive gives a blank page. The main page is the current version, which no longer supports the claim. (Is it actually important to say that Rihanna was the first to reach 8 top-20 songs since Shania Twain, given that "Rehab" is her 12th?) --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Well it was nice to have it, but it was probably removed from the Billboard website. So yeah I will remove it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

UK chart dates

Source in FN41 says that Rehab entered the charts on 29 November 2008, but this, which is more comparable with FN42, already has it at #51 on 23 November. I think FN41 should be swapped out and the date listed as 23 November. --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't understand what are you saying, so could you do it for me? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Done (it's now FN40), but I haven't made an archive URL, as I'm not familiar with the archive site you're using. Please could you do that? Go right ahead if you like. I won't need to touch that section again this evening, so we won't have an edit conflict. --Stfg (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I will archive it right away. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 20:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Comparable numbers

WP:ORDINAL (a section of MOSNUM) says "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures", so I've converted all chart positions, even 9 and higher, to figures. --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear, I've just changed numbers below nine to words - I noticed some had been changed and others hadn't. Now I know why you've changed them over. So I've just reverted my edits. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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