Talk:Rehab (Rihanna song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 19:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC) Will begin shortly.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• Info box

1. No issues.

• Lead info

1. "released as the final eight single" → "released as the eighth and final single"
2. "The track was produced by Timbaland and co-produced by Hannon Lane" → "The track was co-produced by Timbaland and Hannon Lane"
3. "premiered a fifty second shorter single version" → Don't like the wording.
4. "It was physically released as a single..." → "It was released as a physical single..."
5. "and then worldwide accompanied by an instrumental version of the song as its B-side." → Don't like the wording here either.

   You've spelt "instrumental" as "nstrumental" at the end of the first paragraph. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

6. "emotionally" → "emotional"
7. "while reaching number sixteen on the UK Singles Chart. In the United States it reached number eighteen on the Billboard Hot 100." → "while reaching number sixteen on the UK Singles Chart, as well as number eighteen on the US Billboard Hot 100."
8. "and it was shot outside" → "and shot". 'Shot' is indicative of the past tense, therefore no need for 'was'.

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Background

1. ""Rehab" came about after Rihanna was following Timbaland on his tour with Justin Timberlake in the United States in 2007." → What do you mean by 'following Timbland on his tour'?
2. Only the one source is used at the end of the paragraph, use it at the end of each sentence otherwise it will look like the first few sentences are WP:OR, when they aren't.
3. "Timberlake wrote the song's lyrics in his head and not on paper." → Re-write, doesn't make sense saying he wrote it in his head.

    Not done I still don't like the wording of the Timberlake having the lyrics in his head line, as well as the previous line about Timbaland creating the beat. Both don't flow. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

4. "She said that she was at that stage of the song's development; she, Timberlake and Timbaland were all very impressed and loved the song." → Doesn't make sense to read.
5. "Rihanna took control of the way she sounded on the record with confidence." → This doesn't make sense either.
6. "learnt" → "learn't"
7. "she said:" → "saying"

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Actually, the entire first paragraph needs to be copy-edited, it just consists of very short one line sentences. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   What about it now?!

   Yeah that makes more sense to read now. Only one point to address in this section, the first point ^^. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Composition

1. "emotional toned vocals" → "emotional vocals"
2. "Also Doug Rule of Metro Weekly felt..." → "Also, Doug Rule of Metro Weekly, felt..."

    Not done. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

3. "Lyrically, the song is metaphorical." → WP:OR, also short and awkward to read. Give an explanation with a source or remove it.

    Not done. Still doesn't read right. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

I really don't have an idea how to write it on another way, can it be simply, About the songs lyrics Rihanna explained, or Rihanna explained the songs lyrics stating? Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

1. "Margeaux Watson from Entertainment Weekly" → "Margeaux Watson of Entertainment Weekly". Be consistent.

    Not done Calvin• ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

2. "It compares an ex-boyfriend to rehabilitation jargon of which include: diseases, drugs and depression. It talks about forgetting a boyfriend following a break-up.[4]" → Is this still apart of Watson's review?

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done. There were a few little mistakes which I have corrected (Full stop after a reference etc.) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Critical Recpetion

1. Start with the positive, then the negative.
2. Make both paragraphs as one. It looks a bit weak at the moment, having a three line paragraph.
3. "Popmatters" → "PopMatters"
4. "Billboard predicted that" → Who from Billboard? Pretty sure the magazine itself didn't predict something!
5. "Metro Weekly" → "Metro Weekly"

    Not done You haven't wiki-linked Metro Weekly like I said in point 5. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done There were a few prose errors which I have corrected for you. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Chart performance

1. "at position ninety-one" → "at number ninety-one"
2. "With the song, Rihanna became the first artist to extract eight Hot 100 hits from one album since Shania Twain who achieved an octet of U.S. chart hits from Come On Over (1997).[25]" → Re-word, doesn't quite flow.
3. "It also reached nineteen" → "It also peaked at number nineteen"
4. "and reached a peak of nineteen.[28]" → "and reached a peak position of nineteen.[28]"
5. "number thirty-seven on the issue dated November 17, 2008, and leaped to twenty-eight two weeks later." → Hardly a 'leap', it was ascended 9 places in the high twenties.
6. "after jumping twenty-seven places to number twenty-four.[33]" → Now 27 places is a leap! lol.
7. "The next week the song further..." →"The next week, the song further..."
8. "and has peaked at number nine.[35]" → "and peaked at number nine.[35]"
9. "seventh top-five there.[39]" → "seventh top-five in this territory.[39]"

   Done Tomica1111 (talk)

   Section  Done. (There were 2 grammar errors which I have fixed for you. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

• Music video - Development

1. "Mandler has directed many of Rihanna's music videos, including: "Disturbia" and "Unfaithful".[42]" → You say 'many', but you only mention two? I'd mention no more than four.
2. "Timberlake's then-girlfriend, and American actress, Jessica Biel was.." → "Timberlake's then-girlfriend, American actress Jessica Biel, was..."
3. "I'm the guy in the video. The guy in the video," → That doesn't make sense to read.
4. "A sneak-peak of the music video was released on November 13, 2008." → WP:OR

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music video - Synopsis

1. Pilates? I thought she just stood against a car?
2. This section needs copy-editing, I don't think ti reads well or flows.
3. Why is there a review of the video in the Synopsis section and not in the Reception section?

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music video - Reception

1. "positively reviewed the music video saying:" → "praised the music video saying,"

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

• Live performances

1. "On April 28, 2008, Rihanna performed the song live at the Pepsi Center. John Wenzel from The Denver Post said the following of the performance:" → Completely re-word.
2. "The song is fourth on Rihanna's setlist for her Good Girl Gone Bad Tour.[60]" → Re-word to the past tense.
3. "Before performing the song, she speaks to her audience saying the song was written by her very good friend, Justin Timberlake and that she hopes the audience likes it. She performs it wearing a revealing leather outfit singing into microphone stand." → WP:OR
4. ""Rehab" is featured as twelfth track on Rihanna's setlist for her 2010 tour, Last Girl on Earth Tour.[61]" → Re-word to the past tense.

    Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Formats and track listings

1. No issues.

• Credits and personnel

1. No issues.

• Charts and certifications - Charts/Certifications/Year End charts

1. No issues.

• Radio and release history

1. Why are the sources for the US in the Format column and not in the Country section like the others? it's fine to put them there.

 Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music television adds

1. This section isn't needed.

 Done Tomica1111 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Section  Done Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• References

1. One dead link Removed Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
2. Ref 11: Why is the publisher italicised?

   Probably because Billboard is a magazine? Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You don't have to italicise the publisher. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   Publisher should be after the work.

3. Ref 12: Publisher?

   Well there is a publisher. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You need a publisher. List Pitchfork as the work and the publisher, but don't italicise the work parameter. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

4. Ref 14: Access date?
5. Ref 16: Access date?
6. Ref 21: Publisher?

   ??? Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   You need to list the publisher, which is Popmatters. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

7. Ref 23: That's not the actual publisher for Billboard magazine, look at Ref 24 for it.

   'Billboard' should be italicised. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

8. Ref 24: Why does it go work, title, publisher, and not title, work, publisher?

   Calvin I really think you have some wrongs with the references numbers. Ref. no 24 is a chart reference, so uses other way of format. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

   No, I'm right. Look at ref 23, then have a look at ref 24 in the references section. The title is in between 'Billboard' and ' Prometheus Global Media', it should be the title, then 'Billboard', then ' Prometheus Global Media'. See now? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   I really can understand you, both references are fine to me.

   Ref 23: "US Singles Top 100 (November 22, 2008) - Music Charts". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved 2010-09-04. (title, work, publisher)

   Ref 24: "Rihanna Album & Song Chart History" Billboard Hot 100 for Rihanna. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved 2010-08-31. (title, work, publisher) Tomica1111 (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   That's not how it reads here though. Ref 23 is fine, perfect. Ref 24 should look like Ref 23. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

   It reads the same in the references sections for Rehab, and I am not kidding. I copied the both upper texts from how it looks in the section. Maybe you have problems with your internet provider, check it again, I am not lying Tomica1111 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

   Lol I'm not saying you are lying, I just don't get why it shows up different. Maybe because for ref 24 'a' you haven't actually put a source, it only says "US Name". Plus, "Billboard" in ref 23 should be italicised. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

9. Ref 25: Billboard should be italicised.
10. Ref 26: Same as Ref 24 above.
11. Ref 27: Same as Ref 26 and Ref 24 above.

    Same for those references, Billboard (Hot 100, Pop 100) for Rihanna it's actually the work, the reason for that I think it's that it is a chart reference, check, it happens also in "Only Girl (In the World)" or "What's My Name?" Tomica1111 (talk) 17:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

12. Ref 41: Is Spreadit.org as reliable source? Hmm.

    I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be?Tomica1111 (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

13. Ref 42: Rap Up, not Rapup.com
14. Ref 55: I know that Idolator is not reliable for FA articles, which makes me think that it is not reliable for GA articles either.

    I think that Idolator it's reliable for GA. Tomica1111 (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

15. Ref 58: Publisher?
16. Ref 59: Publisher?
17. Ref 60: Publisher?
18. You need to be consistent in how you reference each and every source, using the same format.

You have a lot of work to do here Tomica! On hold for 7 days. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹

From what you have done so far, it's still doesn't meet GA criteria. Some parts still need complete copy-editing. I'd suggest you ask a far more experienced editor to help you, especially with the Composition section, just to fine tune things and make the prose flow. Either that, or I fail the article and you list if for a Peer Review? Because GAN reviews aren't supposed to be this detailed, and that's what a Peer Review is for. Also, have you done all the corrections for the references or only the ones you have questioned? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I will try to fix all things, tomorrow morning. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I think, I'm kind of done with the references also, you can check, and tell me. Tomica1111 (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I made some minor prose and grammar changes to help you out a bit, it was easier than spending more time writing it here and explaining it. Article is passed, well done! :) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :D ! Tomica1111 (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources to expand

• http://popwatch.ew.com/2008/11/24/2008-american-m/
• http://search.ew.com/results.html?No=20&Ntt=rihanna+rehab&Ntk=oldest
• http://itunes.apple.com/gb/music-video/rehab-live-from-men-arena/id299983530