Talk:Red Clay State Historic Park

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Red Clay State Historic Park/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 02:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I'll be taking a look at this article for the January 2022 GAN backlog drive. If you haven't already signed up, please feel free to join in! Although QPQ is not required, if you're feeling generous, I also have a list of GA nominations of my own right here.

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lede

• Cherokee removal is double-linked; "forced migration" should be the general link to Forced displacement and then "forced to emigrate" should be the specific link
  •  Fixed - also cut redundant wording and split sentence.
• Similarly, "being" should be delinked in the phrase "Cherokee people being forced to emigrate", as currently it's a MOS:SEAOFBLUE situation
  •  Done - reworded completely; see above.
• Per MOS:LEADCITE, anything linked in the body doesn't have to be linked in the lede (I know if you submitted for DYK they sometimes make you cite in the lede)
  •  Done
• "latter 20th century" → "late 20th century" or "later"
  •  Done - changed to "later part of the 20th century", as I don't think most would consider the late 1950s and 1960s part of the late 20th century.
• Another MOS:SEAOFBLUE issue in "Tennessee–Georgia state line"
  •  Done - unlinked "state line".
• Should really be an en dash in "Tennessee–Georgia" and not a hyphen
  •  Fixed

History

Cherokee history

• Why is Tennessee the only state not linked in the first paragraph?
  • Probably because it's linked in the lead. I've gone ahead and linked it again.
• Double check source to make sure "Chatooga" is really spelled with one T, I've only seen it with two
  •  Fixed
• No comma needed after "government to Red Clay"
  •  Fixed
• Link Mississippi River
  •  Done
• "they secretly signed the Treaty of New Echota"
  •  Done
• Per MOS:SEASON, "summer of" should not be used to refer to a time of the calendar year
  •  Fixed

Post-removal

• Comma after "February 29, 1840" per MOS:DATECOMMA
  •  Done
• "Beginnin in 1864" → "Beginning in 1864"
  •  Done
• "got into a skirmish" → "engaged in a skirmish"
  •  Done
• "and were later demolished"
• "  Done

State park history and events

• In January 1970, the Bradley County Quarterly Court agreed to purchase the land from Corn for the purpose of developing it into a recreation area and tourist attraction. WP:LIMITED violation
  •  Fixed
• "eternal flame" is going to need either a link or more specification for unfamiliar readers
  •  Done - provided a short description (more detail is provided in the description section). Also split run-on sentence.
• "originally Cherokeefest" → "labeled as/known as/titled Cherokeefest"
  •  Done
• "until 2019" implies one was not held in 2019, but the article says there was
  •  Fixed - reworded to clarify that the last event occurred in 2019.

Description

• Same deal as above, Tennessee-Georgia should be an en dash
  •  Done
• Comma after "Cohutta, Georgia" per MOS:GEOCOMMA
  •  Done
• Cohutta should also be delinked, as it was linked above
  •  Done
• Eternal Flame is capitalized here but lowercase in the history section
  • Capitalized in the history section, as it is a proper name.
• "The grave of Sleeping Rabbit, a prominent Cherokee who fought in the War of 1812, is reportedly located in the eastern part of the park. His grave, however, is unmarked." → "An unmarked grave believed to belong to Sleeping Rabbit, a prominent Cherokee who fought in the War of 1812, is reportedly located in the eastern part of the park."
  •  Done
• Colon instead of comma after "The park contains three trails"
  •  Done

References

• Bibliography should go under citations
  • Created "References" section; both are now subsections.
• Inconsistent date referencing style; broadly MDY, but some YYYY-MM-DD
  •  Fixed
• Very nitpicky: in reference [3], you use the singular "page" even though it's pages 5-6
  •  Fixed

General comments

• All photos are relevant to the article
• The Blue Hole Spring image does not have any license attached to it; this should be remedied
  •  Done
• No stability concerns in the revision history
• One area of close paraphrasing above, otherwise the amount of proper nouns makes the Earwig score artificially high
  •  Comment: - I think I addressed the closed paraphrasing. It doesn't appear to be showing up.

Putting on hold to allow nominator to address comments. Feel free to ping me with questions, and please let me know when you're finished! — GhostRiver 16:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: - I think I've addressed all the comments above. Please let me know if they are adequate. Bneu2013 (talk) 01:00, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for making those changes, happy to pass the article! — GhostRiver 23:41, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 05:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Red Clay State Historic Park was the last capital of the Cherokee Nation in the eastern United States? Source: Corn, James F. (1959). Red Clay and Rattlesnake Springs: A History of the Cherokee Indians of Bradley County, Tennessee. Marceline, MO: Walsworth Publishing Company. pp. 62–71.

Improved to Good Article status by Bneu2013 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: There is a citation for the hook in the DYK nomination, but not in the article. Also the QPQ is pending. Otherwise the nomination looks ok. The article passes the Earwig copyvio test. I've made some very minor copyedits to it. Bahnfrend (talk) 07:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Bahnfrend: - Was recommended to remove the citations in the lead per MOS:LEADCITE during the GA review. Multiple aspects of this is cited in the body. Started QPQ here. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
  • @Bneu2013: - Sorry for the slow response. According to MOS:LEADCITE, "... there is not ... an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. ... The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article." The true position is, simply, that citations are commonly omitted from leads because the lead is an overview of often more specific statements that are made, with citations, in the body of the article. The problem with this article, as it presently stands, is that there is no statement in its body asserting specifically that the Park 'was the last capital of the Cherokee Nation', and therefore also no inline citation for any such assertion. To fix that problem, you just have to insert such an assertion, with inline citation, at an appropriate place in the body of the article. Bahnfrend (talk) 08:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @Bneu2013: Do you plan on citing that one assertion so that this nomination can finally move on? SL93 (talk) 00:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
      •  Done - SL93 - I apologize, but I have been busy lately and not been able to keep up with this as I had hoped. - Bneu2013 (talk) 08:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
        • It's fine. Pinging Bahnfrend to let them know the citation has been added. SL93 (talk) 14:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Bahnfrend has not responded. Approve. SL93 (talk) 14:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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