Talk:Rambhadracharya

Quotation marks

Hello everyone. The things to remember about quotation marks are:

• Don't use decorative quotation marks (there are rare exceptions);
• Don't use quotation marks to surround a complete blockquote;
• Do use quotation marks to surround quoted text inline with larger passages of text. This includes quotations inside blockquotes.

So the following is correct:

"Why did you fight with my Giridhara (Krishna)? You are a young maiden, and my Giridhara (Krishna) is but a child, why did you hold his arm? My Giridhara (Krishna) is crying, sobbing repeatedly, and you stand there smirking! O Ahir lady (cowherd girl), you are excessively inclined to quarrel, and come and stand here uninvited. Giridhara (the poet) sings" – so says Yashoda, holding on to the hand of Giridhara (Krishna) and covering [her face] with the end of her Sari.

because everything from "Why did you fight" to "Giridhara (the poet) sings" is what Yashoda says, and we're quoting her. Good luck! --Stfg (talk) 09:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for the clarification. My changes were to make everything consistent, but I did not see that this quote was different since there is a quote within a quote (a la a nested loop, if you will :)). However, what Yashoda says is only from "Why did you fight ..." to "... stand here uninvited." And Girdhara (the poet) sings that this is what Yashoda says. Yashoda does not say that Giridhar the poet sings thus, but Giridhara the poet sings that Yashoda says thus. So I have made a minor change to indicate that, but feel free to have this put in another way. Aknla (talk) 10:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The way you've done it loses meaning, I'm afraid. How does "Giridhara (the poet) sings" fit into the rest of it? Who is it that holds the hand of Giridhara (Krishna) and covers her face ...? I don't know the original language, unfortunately. Perhaps someone who can read the original could clarify it a bit? --Stfg (talk) 12:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

This is a traditional style in Indian vernacular poems and songs known as the Bhanita (Bhaṇita) style, in which the poet or singer adds their name in the last line along with a verb form which means "sings" or "says". Its like a signature, and the meaning is that "so says XYZ" or "so sings XYZ". You can read more about it here, here, and here. Yashoda says the first four lines, and she is holding the hand of Giridhara (Krishna) and covering her face. Giridhara (the poet) sings this poem. The word Giridhara is used only once but has both meanings, this is the the Shlesha (Śleṣa) figure of speech where one word has multiple meanings at the same time, see here. Maybe a better way of putting would be ".... (the entire quote of Yashoda) ...," so says Yashoda holding on to the hand of Giridhara (Krishna) and covering [her face] with the end of her Sari; Giridhara (the poet) sings so. The other alternative would be to put Giridhara sings so at the beginning of the whole meaning as it is independent, but it is never done and almost always rendered inline. See an example here where Prasad translates the Bhaṇita of Tulsidas inline (shown in my italics here) thus "... Worshipping Bhavani again and again, Sita, says Tulsidasa, returned to the palace, rejoicing in her heart." Aknla (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thank you, that's really interesting. So we have, actually, a quote within a song within a blockquote :)) Well, Wikipedia has a way of doing nested quotes by alternating double and single quotes. I'm putting it in now, but please alter it again if it's not yet quite suitable. By the way, notice the order of "says Tulsidasa" in what you've just quoted. In the latest attempt I've followed that, changing "Giridhara (the poet) sings" into "sings Giridhara (the poet)", as this makes it doubly clear. --Stfg (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Assassination threat needs clarifying

Gita Devi, Nrityagopal and Nisclachandra aren't well known and haven't been mentioned before, so if they are going to be named, something needs to be said about who they are. Also, "Geeta Devi said that the letter was received three days ..." seems incomplete. --Stfg (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Gita Devi is Rambhadracharya's elder sister. See User:Vibhijain/Gita Devi. Nrityagopal has been mentioned in the Ayodhya section. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 14:50, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You spelled it Geeta in this article -- which is preferred? Nrityagopal isn't in the Ayodhya section at present; must have gone walkabout :) --Stfg (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. He is not related to the Ayodhya one. He is Nritya Gopal Das, president of Ram Janmabhoomi Nyas. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 15:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The section is WP:UNDUE. A case of WP:RECENTISM.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

This isn't recentism. The events occurred nearly 5 years ago and it's not breaking news. As to due weight, this is a biographical section; I would have thought that an assassination threat was notable in anyone's biography. I have restored the section but edited it to provide the date and removed som trivial detail. --Stfg (talk) 09:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I have made some minor changes, and I have also removed Nisclachandra's name, because I am unable to get any information about him. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 09:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

A section is not needed: "In November 2007 someone claiming to be an al-Qaeda member sent Rambhadracharya a letter from Haridwar telling him and his disciples either to accept Islam or to be prepared to die, following which his security was increased." is enough. Gita Devi's view is certainly non-notable.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I could live with limiting it to that much. Could you suggest where in the article that could go? --Stfg (talk) 11:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

A-class review

I think that after a good enough section on Rambhadracharya' literary style, the article is now good enough for A-class status. I will however taking a wiki-break from today or tomorrow, but one of my friends will be here to imply any of the suggestions. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 05:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Non-English sources

I think that we're going to need some translation help regarding the early life section. Too many of the sources are non-English and those that are English do not, for example, seem to support that he self-identifies as a Saryupareen Brahmin (without such self-identification, we are breaching WP:BLP). - Sitush (talk) 11:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I can help with translations from Hindi and Sanskrit - which particular source are you talking about? I also know of one source (a primary source though) to support the self-identification with the Varna and Gotra. In the introduction of his epic Hindi poem "Arundhati" (published 1994 by Raghav Sahitya Prakashan Nidhi, Haridwar), on page iv, the poet writes "चूंकि मैं जन्मना वसिष्ठगोत्रीय सरयूपारी ब्राह्मण हूँ इसलिए अरून्धती पर श्रद्धा स्वाभावीक है, ..." ("Because I am a Saryupareen Brahmin of the Vasistha Gotra, my respect/faith for Arundhati is natural, ....") Does that suffice? InternetSanatani (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. 18 months after you offered! Sorry about that. - Sitush (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Issues

TrangaBellam (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)