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When authoritative sources contradict each other, they should all be explicated and the differences described. Tout is outdated - so if the HBC and the ODNB give different dates, give both, saying who says what. Don't just delete one source unless it has been described as outdated. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Hi Ealdgyth. If you want to add the page citations from Fryde back in with an explanatory note citing the differences between the dates given in Horrox and Fryde, please go ahead. I searched online to see whether I could find a copy of Fryde to verify the dates, but couldn't find one. The Horrox article in the ODNB seems carefully researched, and has been considerably updated from Tout's old DNB article, and I thought it was likely more reliable in this instance than Fryde, but I could be wrong about that. NinaGreen (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Okay, they didn't conflict, they reported different information - his election date is given in Fryde, but Horrox is reporting the date that the pope provided him to the see. These are different things - the election doesn't involve the papacy, it involved his cathedral chapter choosing him. By this time in the late middle ages, the papacy was asserting the right to appoint most bishops but didn't quite have the power to overrule the chapters that often, so if the chapter's choice was acceptable to the papacy, they went ahead and provided (or appointed) the chapter's choice after getting word of the election. That's what appears to have happened here - the papacy provided him about 4 months after the actual election... both dates are relevant. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I wasn't aware of the difference between election and provision. NinaGreen (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
There's a reason that the papal bureauracy is often called the oldest in the world... it's been at paper pushing a LONG time... Ealdgyth - Talk 23:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
