Talk:Pedro Pascal/Archive 1

Archive 1

College student project

copied from the WikiProject Biography general discussion, WT:WPBIO --P64 (talk) 01:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi all. I'm a student at Austin College, located in Sherman TX, and for one of my classes, we are supposed to edit a wiki page. I have chosen to edit Pedro Pascal's page, and am hoping for some feedback from seasoned wiki users on how I should go about this. There is not very much information given on Pascal's early history and personal life, plus more can be added in the career section of his wiki page. I am not trying to replace other's contributions to his page, but instead add to it in order for others to learn more about this fantastic actor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbroadway14 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@Tbroadway14:, you need some sources, presumably online or print.

Having those, you should go ahead and work on the article. WP:FILMBIO, or Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, should provide more useful info than does either WP FILM or WP BIO. For general how-to, use Help and Manual of Style and classmates or instruction provided to your class.

Use this talk page for substantial matters regarding this particular page. Or perhaps WT:FILMBIO if you do get started and find that no one is paying attention to this page. --P64 (talk) 01:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi all Pedro Pascal fans, it's the Austin College student again. I have found multiple credible sites that provide information on Pedro Pascal. These sites have provided many of Pascal's hobbies, favorite movies, foods, and more background into his past and personal life. I will be making the edit's to his page tonight, and as always, would appreciate feedback on the information I will be adding, and critic's of my additions. If you do not believe that one of my contributions should stay up or be revised, I would like to know because I am trying to improve the page and make it more credible, not less. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbroadway14 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Is Pascal Chilean or American?

In the first sentence he’s Chilean but the article is in a category for American actors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panchamkauns (talk • contribs) 22:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC) cPanchamkauns - Per WP:BIOLEAD Context (location or nationality);, I think its best to describe him as being "American". USA is the country where he was has been living in since he was a child. According to his early life section, his family moved to Denmark shortly after he was born because they got political asylum. From there, he moved to USA and was raised in California. and Texas. According to his personal life section, he has called New York home for over 20 years. Finally, most of his major acting credits and roles have been in American/Hollywood productions. His article goes in depth about his birth place, upbringing and all that, but I think it seems logical to describe him as just being "American". Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

This Time magazine profile from 2017 refers to him as a "Chilean-born American actor". I haven't found any additional sources regarding his nationality, but this appears to be the most accurate description. Although the sources indicate he is of American nationality, there still needs to be reference towards the country he was born. Bluerules (talk) 23:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I think Clear Looking Glass's pointing towards WP:BIOLEAD gives us a clear direction. Obvious he was born in Chile but unless he identifies as something else, his current life/work is undeniably American. Ifnord (talk) 04:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Which is what "Chilean-born American actor" identifies. It's more concise than the current lead. This is the common format for individuals who are born in one country, but identify with another (e.g. Colin Mochrie - "Scottish-born Canadian actor" - and Terry Gilliam - "American-born British film director"). Bluerules (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bluerules: - Sorry for mentioning you again, but I just wanted to say that according to Wikipedia's guidelines, a subjects birthplace shouldn't be mentioned unless its relevant to their notability. I've seen articles of notable people born outside of the country they hold citizenship to and or are most famous in that don't mention their birthplace in the lede ("previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability"). But as I've said below, in this case, I'm sure one can argue that Pascal's birthplace is important to his notability, otherwise users wouldn't be always changing the first sentence. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Correct, the best lead has a balance between having all the most important information and conveying it concisely for readers. Given that the format of other articles like Pascal's follow what we have here, other editors would likely agree. Bluerules (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

It's also important to note that Pascal could be both Chilean and American - he could hold dual citizenship. But the only reference I've found is the Time profile, which identifies his citizenship as only American. Bluerules (talk) 19:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bluerules: - Regarding birthplace in the lede, I've been told here before that birthplace shouldn't be added unless its relevant to the subjects notability, following guidelines on Wikipedia policies ("previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.") In this case I'm sure many would argue that Pascal being born in Chile is important to his notability. Since this issue has seemingly been settled, and the only solid proof we have of his nationality/citizenship describes him as being a "Chilean-born American" with no mention of dual citizenship, I'm adding a hidden comment to not change his lede to "Chilean-American" because I'm sure there might be more editing wars and conflicting changes in the future. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I believe that guideline is intended to prevent the city and country of birth from being added to the lead, which I remember appearing on pages in the past, but no longer. For Pascal, this is the format I've commonly seen on pages for individuals who were born in one country, but have nationality with another. It helps clear up potential confusion for readers to why the individual's nationality and country of birth don't align. We should still keep an eye on any future references in case it turns out he actually holds dual citizenship, but I believe the information we currently have available is sufficient. Bluerules (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bluerules: He does hold dual citizenship, I added it to the infobox as well as a reference in Spanish regarding the matter. I haven't changed the lead but I think "Chilean-American" is the best way to go and the hidden comment should be modified or removed.AtomsRavelAz talk 16:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed the sources you've provided. I've updated the article accordingly. Thank you again for the information. Bluerules (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Clear Looking Glass: I think this discussion is unnecessary. Pascal was born in Santiago, Chile to Chilean parents. In accordance to article 10 of the Chilean constitution he has Chilean nationality, unless someone can find a source stating that he has renounced it which as far as I'm aware it is not the case. Furthermore, the instances of him being identified and identifying himself as Chilean are plentiful, perhaps User:Bluerules has not been able to find them since most of them are in spanish. So is Pedro Pascal Chilean or American? He's both. AtomsRavelAz talk 16:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the sources. Do you believe we should identify him as Chilean-American in the lead, as the sources indicate he holds dual citizenship? Bluerules (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@AtomsRavelAz: - I'm not Chilean and I'm an English speaker. I was only trying to follow Wikipedia's guidelines for how ledes work. I assumed that he should be described as just being American because he's spent almost all his life there and that is where he is most famous. Thanks for clarifying the info. I'll just ask though, is it better to put his citizenship is Chilean and United States or that his nationality is Chilean and American? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 21:36, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Chilean and American, as that is most accurate. Bluerules (talk) 01:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Clear Looking Glass: I honestly don't know too much about that topic so I may be mistaken. I read Wikipedia:Citizenship and nationality and I think citizenship is the best option to include in the infobox. The article states "Nationality should be listed only in addition to citizenship, and only in cases where it is verifiable and relevant to the article. For most articles, this just means using the citizenship field instead of the nationality field". AtomsRavelAz talk 23:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Unnecessary information on Pedro Pascal page

Subject, in this case Pedro Pascal, is not a participant or contributor to the scandal, in this case the stealing of eggs as mentioned on the subject’s Wikipedia page. Details of the scandal, the father’s action of stealing eggs, is not necessary on the subject’s, Pedro Pascal, page because the subject, Pedro Pascal, is not accused in any articles or courtroom of stealing eggs. If you feel it’s necessary to keep the information, make a separate page for subject’s father where the information belongs and link it to the scandal mentioned on subject’s page. It makes no sense to have it in the subject’s biography since the subject didn’t do it and it doesn’t relate to anything other than the father. If the subject’s history must include all details of the parent(s) deeds then be consistent across all of Wikipedia concerning it (which one is not). Update other pages to reflect the same information, in this subject’s case, the sister, Lux Pascal. Hellhounds76 (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Lard Almighty (talk) 19:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Pedro Pascal’s Father & Mother

The information shared on this page are either irrelevant to Pedro or deeply insensitive. And also harmful.

Pedro’s father’s personal life and involvement with the fertility clinic & other legal proceedings does NOT involve Pedro AT ALL. Therefore it is NOT relevant to HIS Personal Life section. Anyone with a brain would know that.

Furthermore, publishing the private details surrounding his mother’s passing with zero public source or explicit permission from his family is from an editor perspective inaccurate and morally disrespectful and abhorrent.

The editors putting this content back into this page should be ashamed and embarrassed. Luckypascal (talk) 06:28, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

The information is relevant and all sourced. Do you think his mother's suicide and his father's legal problems had no effect on Pascal? It is perfectly legitimate to mention, briefly, information about family members under "Personal life" to give people a more complete view of the subject. That is what the section is for. This information is not "private"; it is covered in reliable sources and Pascal has discussed them. Therefore they are legitimate to include. Lard Almighty (talk) 06:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

"Do you think his mother's suicide and his father's legal problems had no effect on Pascal". Yes, but I agree that most of this info is irrelevant for this page as it is using Pascal's life as a WP:COATRACK for his father. It should be reduced to why Pascal moved from here to there and that's it, not that it should develop to the point it mostly talks about his parents' lives. Luckypascal, however, must be aware that using WP:open proxies, as you admitted here, will cause your account to be blocked if you attempt to use them to game our systems. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Totally agree. That's why my last edits before Luckypascal's involved trimming what was there, and I had planned to do more trimming after I had reverted him but was prevented from doing so by the full PP. Lard Almighty (talk) 05:16, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

My suggestiion for removing the WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACK issues:

Pascal moved to New York City in 1993 and has lived there since.[9] In 1995, while Pascal was at NYU, his father was involved in a scandal at the Orange County fertility clinic he ran with two other men.[3][32] Following this, his father, mother and two youngest siblings returned to Chile. His father stated the reason for returning to Chile was due to his ailing mother.[33]

Pascal's mother died by suicide in 1999.[3][34] Following her death, Pascal began using his mother's surname professionally both in honor of her and because he said Americans had difficulty pronouncing his first surname, Balmaceda.[10][12] His mother was the cousin of Andrés Pascal Allende, leader of the Chilean Revolutionary Left Movement.[37] Through his mother Pedro is related to Mateo de Toro Zambrano y Ureta, Count of the Conquest and President of the First National Governing Board of September 18, 1810.[38]

Pascal is a vocal advocate of LGBTQ+ rights.[39] He was supportive of his sister Lux when she came out as transgender; she said: “He has been an important part of this. He is also an artist and has been a guide. He was one of the first to give me the things that formed my identity."[40]

He is close friends with Sarah Paulson[41] and Oscar Isaac.[42][43] He endorsed Chilean President Gabriel Boric in the 2021 Chilean presidential election.[44] Pascal said he is an agnostic,[45] and a liberal.[46]

Lard Almighty (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

This came up at WP:BLPN, and I commented there, but since nobody was notified, here it is. I think the work you did to trim it down was top notch, Lard Almighty. The only thing we're lacking is the connection to the subject. We have that with the mother's death, but missing it with the father's scandal. Of course it had some effect on his life, but the question of what effect still remains, and without that, well, I would equate it to a Steven king novel, where all of a sudden it's like, why are we suddenly on this long tangent into the background of a relatively minor character? Then you flip ahead 32 pages and find where the story picks up again. We need to let the reader know why this is a significant factor in the subject's life. That's what makes the story worth reading, and if he talked about it in interviews there should be some way to show the missing connection. I'm not watching this page, so I hope that helps. Zaereth (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that anything there now is WP:UNDUE. Other things about his parents are mentioned, even though they don't directly affect Pascal, including that his mother is the cousin of another notable person. The fact that his father moved back to Chile (with Pedro and Lux remaining in New York) definitely had an effect on Pascal, and he has spoken about it. There is nothing WP:UNDUE about mentioning why his parents had to move back. Lard Almighty (talk) 06:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I have now added a NY Times ref where Pascal discusses his legal issues. It also provides more balance. Lard Almighty (talk) 06:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I have removed the extended geneology of his mother since it was sourced to an article that does not mention Pedro Pascal and a blog site. Morbidthoughts (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Criticism Section

Recently, Basedosaurus has added a section with criticism of Pasal's tweets in comparison to the situation of Gina Carano. The article cites the National Review and Fox News for this, basically, as well as some underlying information not about Pascal from other sources. I am concerned that the material is not WP:DUE and that it feels a bit WP:COATRACK-y, for lack of a better term; to me, it feels like we're shoehorning in controversies from other places. All that said, I am happy to bow to consensus if it is against me. Cheers, all. Dumuzid (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

It also cites other articles and sources such as Reuters,CAMERA and the Jewish Journal I may add.I tried to do a similar edit on Carano WP but it seems they believe it is more about Pascal than Carano. Basedosaurus (talk) 15:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

But I believe Reuters, CAMERA and the Jewish Journal are sort of background sources--that is, they're not about Pascal himself, but underlying facts. I might have that wrong however, as I simply did a quick skim. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Dumuzid. This feels undue and the sources provided feel like right wing attempts to criticize Pascal without any real substance. There has been no widespread outrage about the tweet which would merit inclusion. Lard Almighty (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Lard AlmightyIf I was to use a different more reliable,neutral source would it be due? Basedosaurus (talk) 22:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

If you think maybe it should worded differently,I'm happy to hear your recommendations. Basedosaurus (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

It should not be included period. It would require multiple reliable sources showing that his tweet caused major controversy. Lard Almighty (talk) 05:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

As I said I have multiple other reliable sources that I can use instead to prove this. Basedosaurus (talk) 10:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

It would help if you listed them so we could make a judgement. Right-wing blogs and commentary aren't sufficient. This smacks of a manufactured "controversy" that did not receive much if any coverage in MSM or other reliable sources. Lard Almighty (talk) 10:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Ditto to Lard Almighty here; you don't need to "prove" the underlying events to me, at least. I believe you, I am just not sure anyone paid that much attention or that it's that big a deal in the life of Mr. Pascal. It strikes me as failing WP:10YT, though I will be the first to admit predictions are hard, especially about the future. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 12:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Lard Almighty here are some for you:

https://ew.com/tv/gina-carano-defends-pedro-pascal-the-mandalorian-firing/

https://reason.com/2021/02/11/disney-cancels-the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-over-provocative-social-media-posts/

https://god.dailydot.com/don-jr-pedro-pascal/

https://www.screengeek.net/2021/02/13/pedro-pascal-nazi-tweets-gina-carano/

https://www.newsweek.com/overwrought-nazi-analogies-me-not-thee-opinion-1568759

https://www.insider.com/disney-ceo-bob-chapek-defends-gina-carano-firing-2021-3

https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/conservatives-want-pedro-pascal-fired/

https://deadline.com/2021/03/disney-ceo-bob-chapek-gina-carano-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-disney-plus-1234710139/#

https://deadline.com/2021/02/mandalorian-gina-carano-lucas-film-responds-to-controversial-statement-1234691898/#

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/11/redefining-anti-semitism-in-the-gina-carano-controversy-or-just-inaccurate-reporting/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56156005

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/gina-carano-mandalorian-holocaust-lucasfilm-pedro-pascal/

https://www.insider.com/gina-carano-pedro-pascal-political-differences-2021-2

https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/gina-carano-says-post-was-not-comparing-conservatives-to-jews-in-holocaust-659873

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/gina-carano-ben-shapiro-mandalorian-firing-pedro-pascal-204955860.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAChH7_rEO3g9ugA3DO9X0T4pyBFMA8s3btscbNLQK5X2s4UwXdXgBcH3Dpu0CBsxtjXgphFAQ9m-Jblbs_gdeMhqXngppYl5xXqwi38Rc2W5Wk1e-160xnm8Tv9cpkw7lm7N-FdbKIWW8MoVQ_FwZFR4H6TGHVG6G2e4UWFl-g_q Basedosaurus (talk) 18:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

There's more there than I thought! I would point out that I don't believe dailydot is considered a reliable source, and Newsweek has its own issues. But I still stand by the idea that what we're really looking at is all "reflected" off of the Gina Carano business, for lack of a better term. Reasonable minds can certainly differ, and perhaps you can achieve consensus for this edit, but I am afraid I am still a no. Sincere thank you for your effort, however. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be a clear case of whataboutism. Carano is fired so she and her supporters look around for something they can point to and say, "What about this?" The fact remains that there was no widespread reaction to or condemnation of Pascal's tweet. We need a much higher threshold for a WP:BLP. If there is any criticism, it is not of Pascal but of Disney for what some perceive as double standards. It might belong in Carano's article but I don't believe it belongs here. Lard Almighty (talk) 18:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

would it be fair for it to be mentioned something like in the form of:

"Pascal's tweet was the centre of attention during the aftermath of the firing of Canaro with it being used to criticise Disney for having double standards" Basedosaurus (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

No, because there is no criticism of Pascal. It would be a violation of WP:BLP to have a criticism section that does not contain criticism of the subject. As I said, any criticism in this case is about Disney. And it wasn't "the centre of attention". It was mentioned by Carano and her supporters as a case of whataboutism. There was never any widespread outrage or criticism so it is inappropriate to have a criticism section on Pascal's page. If it belongs anywhere, it's on Disneys' page.Lard Almighty (talk) 06:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dumuzid The Daily Dot is in fact a generally reliable source as seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:RS/P&redirect=no Basedosaurus (talk) 19:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, I stand corrected! Dumuzid (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Mother's suicide

Hello all, Lard Almighty has recently reverted a couple of changes that removed Mr. Pascal's mother's cause of death from the article. His edit summary in reverting me mentioned that it had been discussed on talk, and it had, above, but that quickly became broader and this particular wording was not discussed with any granularity. I simply feel that the article loses nothing by removing the reference to suicide, as it is not particularly relevant to anything that follows. Moreover, Mr. Pascal's mother is not notable in her own right. To me, the mention just feels gratuitous, as I have said. On the other hand, I do not doubt that it is verified and could be in the article. For me, this is just a suggestion that editorial discretion might be appropriate. I'd like to hear others' opinions, and if consensus is against me, so be it. Happy Friday. Dumuzid (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd welcome other opinions too and happy to abide by whatever consensus is reached. Lard Almighty (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Pascal's father

A complaint was brought up at ANI.[1] I have removed excessive detail about Pascal's father and his role in the scandal since the supporting sources do not even mention Pascal per WP:UNDUE. This article is about Pascal; not about his father. Morbidthoughts (talk) 05:16, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

The permanent link is here. CapnZapp (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Age?

It says he was born in '75, yet it says he's 47. I, for example, was born in '76 & turned 47 last year. His age should be listed as 48 as of last year! Mlauzon (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Ages are automatically calculated and are correct. He will turn 48 in a few weeks. He was born on (1975-04-02) 2 April 1975 Lard Almighty (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lard Almighty He was born in 1975, I was born in 1976...we cannot be the same age when he was born a year prior to me! Mlauzon (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, Mlauzon, but Pascal will turn 48 on April 2, 2023. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 22:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Description of the Revolutionary Left Movement

This article describes the Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR) as an "an urban guerrilla movement dedicated to the overthrow of the military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet". This movement began 1965 well before Pinochets dictatorship, so from the time Andrés Pascal Allende and others founded up to 1973 (eight years) its mission was certainly not overthrowing Pinochet. Splinter groups of the Revolutionary Left Movement continued to fight the restored democracy after 1990. I think the article should provide a more accurate, but still brief, description of MIR rather than "it fought Pinochet". Guariflor (talk) 10:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you have any thoughts on the revised description? LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

"a militant far-left organisation"?

It was inspired in the Cuban Revolution and was left of the Communist Party of Chile. It was not a true guerrilla in its beggining, maybe "proto-guerilla". It was back then also primarily a student movement with a strong base in the University of Concepción. Guariflor (talk) 09:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Why dmy date format?

Hello! I'm just curious as to why this article's dates are written in the Day/Month/Year date format. From everything I read, it's clear that while Pedro Pascal IS very much Chilean, he's likely culturally more American since much of his life, including early life, was spent in the USA. This article even states that he's a "Chilean-born American actor". Given that's the case, shouldn't this article's dates be written in the Month/Day/Year date format for consistency with other Wikipedia pages for famous Americans? FrozenIcicle (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. 152.117.104.134 (talk) 01:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

No, since he is an "Chilean-born" American actor, then he would have American standard date format. LADY LOTUS • TALK 12:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm still a little bit confused as to why the article's dates shouldn't be written in mdy format though. He spent most of his life living in the U.S. and probably identifies as an American before anything else, though he's still very proud to be Chilean. Even his pal Oscar Isaac (who like Pedro, also moved to the U.S. as a youngster) has all his dates on his Wikipedia article written in the mdy format. FrozenIcicle (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

It's been corrected LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Rowspans

User:Lady Lotus what's wrong with rowspans and how do they negatively affect screenreaders? Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

don't think any issue, WP:FILMOGRAPHY allows it in year column only which you did. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 14:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Roman Reigns Fanboy: @Indagate:, WP:FILMOGRAPHY didn't always allow for the year column and personally don't think it should as rowspans affect screenreaders and are not very user friendly for the visually impaired. You can hear them at User:RexxS/Accessibility, screen readers don't know how to read them so what they output can be confusing. The same goes for text browsers, as you can see further down on that page. Rowspans are also harder to edit for beginners and are not essential for tables. Esp if the table already has row scopes, then adding in rowspans is not an improvement to the page which is why it was reverted. LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether it didn't is irrelevant. I've found rowspans to be much easier to read and edit so I don't understand your view. The only thing I had to do is learning about how to create the rows but it only took some minutes. but If other users are still against you in a day or two I will be restoring my edit. Adding the same year just creates clutter and more work. And we can't rely on opinion of one user that isn't marked as a general essay. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You made a WP:BOLD edit and were reverted, don't take it personal. I explained why I reverted you as I too used to add rowspans until another user explained to me that it hinders others. Saying "adding the same year just creates clutter and more work" is just your opinion but if you're still hard up to add them, then please get consensus. LADY LOTUS • TALK 15:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You made an unnecessary revert based on what you think when it's not a big issue. Also I don't see WP:CONSENSUS saying I need more than one user. There are already two users against you. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I brought up legitimate points of why I reverted you, and all you've said is you just don't like it. Indagate simply stated that WP:FILMOGRAPHY allows them. Allows but is not required or protected, but as you stated that my rebuttal was a general essay, WP:FILMOGRAPHY is also a general essay. Pinging @SNUGGUMS: and @Cowlibob: for their opinion. LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I've clearly explained how what you're saying is not true, and in response you're accusing me of simply not liking what you have said. @Indagate: Do you think it's okay to use rowspans in the article in place of repeating the years as in my edit? Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Personally I support rowspan such as in the disputed edit that follows WP:FILMOGRAPHY, makes it easier to read and seemingly doesn't impact screenreaders per the essay. Nothing in MOS:ACCESS supporting or opposing, so it's matter of opinion. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 16:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Even when technically permitted for years, I don't recommend using rowspans for those or anything else in filmography tables. They're still frowned upon and whoever decided to allow them was basically asking for trouble as it enables problematic insertions. It would feel more consistent to have all fields exclude rowspans altogether. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know who frowns upon them, because I've never seen any user have a problem with them. Anyway I think an Rfc might be a better solution to this. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

recEIved

Correct: "recieved" to "received". 79.20.213.132 (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done LADY LOTUS • TALK 20:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)