Talk:Parliament railway station

Photography

The article states that photography is banned on the platforms. Firstly, and directly related to Wikipedia: are we therefore sure that the photo used for this article was obtained with permission? Secondly, why is it banned? Even "underground-style" stations in the UK (eg Liverpool Central don't ban photography entirely, so long as flash is not used. 86.136.249.84 23:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Escalators

Someone should try to 'count' the number of steps by timing the trip and calculating the nuber of steps per minute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.129.41 (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

The escalators from concourse level to platforms 1 & 2 have about 105 (Lonsdale St)and 110 (Bourke St)exposed 'steps'. A drop of about 19.5m. The longest ones at Melbourne Central have 81.

Needs a section on exits

There are two exits, and it'd be nice if we could describe them easily to out of towners...

Elevator?

This article should state very clearly exactly *where* the elevator is located, so that those with reduced access can easily find it. In fact, each station's Wikipedia page should state this, it need only be one sentence in the article, but would probably be the most informative part of the article.

Even the Metro Trains and PTV websites fail to clearly state where the elevators are located - it's *very* frustrating! 49.183.153.169 (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

should the buses on lonsdale street be mentioned

Slightly north of Parliament station is Lonsdale street which has a bus stop with multiple bus routes at the intersection with spring street. Additionally the station concourse provides clear signage to Lonsdale street. However I am not sure whether they should be mentioned in the transport connections section or not. NotOrrio (talk) 11:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

if there is no conseus I will ask the GA-reviewer about this once this is nominated NotOrrio (talk) 23:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

i have ultimately decided not to include them as the bus stop is 650m from the station NotOrrio (talk) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Parliament railway station/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The person who loves reading (talk · contribs) 15:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Acted upon the third round of feedback decided to do use "several" instead of "many" for suggestion 12 NotOrrio (talk) 00:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

added the coma like you have stated NotOrrio (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

acted on the 4th round of suggestions and made the fixes from the 3rd round however I disagree with suggestion 21 personally "run express" sounds better than "run the express" additionally Melbourne train station (and line) articles use "run(s) express" if express services are stated NotOrrio (talk) 04:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

acted on the 5th round of feedback NotOrrio (talk) 08:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

finished the 6th round of suggestions NotOrrio (talk) 00:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The comma has already been deleted NotOrrio (talk) 03:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. The person who loves reading (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

fixed source 7 and now its source 1 NotOrrio (talk) 11:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The review will be finished within a month. (a little busy) The person who loves reading (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

acted upon the first suggestions NotOrrio (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

it would be great if you can provide a list of any grammar mistakes you see so I can fix them, I have already found some they are fixed. NotOrrio (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Acted upon the second round of feedback including fixing the error i made while going through the first round of feedback NotOrrio (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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   This article has a list of all references. Additionally, references contain enough information for me to identify the source.

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Suggestions

1. The station consists of two island platforms in a two floor configuration which are connected to street level via two underground concourses. "two floor" --> "two-floor"  Not fixed Wrong edits. (not "two floor-configuration")  Fixed
2. The station is fully accesible as there are lifts linking the two concourses with both the platforms and street level. "accesible" --> "accessible"  Fixed
3. Parliament station opening in 1983 with the station being being named after the Parliament of Victoria which is located just east of the station. change to "Parliament station opened in 1983, and the station was named after the Parliament of Victoria which is located just east of the station."  Fixed
4. Parliament station is one of the three underground stations in the City Loop which served by eleven lines organised into four groups. "which served" --> "which is served"  Fixed
5. The station is also served by two tram routes on Bourke Street, four tram routes on Macarthur street and one tram route on Spring Street "Macarthur street" --> "Macarthur Street"  Fixed
6. The station is also served by two tram routes on Bourke Street, four tram routes on Macarthur street and one tram route on Spring Street, The journey to Flinders Street railway station is approximately 4.2 kilometres (2.6 mi) and takes 7 minutes by train. "Spring Street, The" --> "Spring Street. The"  Fixed
7. Parliament station consists of a two island platforms in a two level configuration. "a two" --> "two" "two level" --> "two-level"  Fixed
8. In additon to the two platform levels there is also two underground concourses. "additon" --> "addition" "levels there is" --> "levels, there are"  Partly done Need to add a comma.  Fixed
9. The northern concourse is connected to street level via an exit on Lonsdale Street where as the southern concourse is connected to street level via an exit on Macarthur Street and two exits on Spring Street. "where as" --> "whereas"  Fixed
10. Melbourne Underground Rail Loop Authority (MURLA) was formed in 1971 to oversee construction of the brand new City Loop. "oversee construction" --> "oversee the construction" "brand new" --> "brand-new"  Partly done Need to add "the" before "construction".  Fixed
11. The plan included construction of three underground stations including Parliament station. "construction" --> "the construction"  Fixed
12. Each platform is an individual tunnel, and is linked to the other platforms at the same level by a number of cross tunnels. "tunnel," --> "tunnel" "a number of" --> "many"  Fixed change to "several" instead.
13. In 31 January 2021 a major timetable rewrite was done to allow for the operation of High Capacity Metro Train as well as more frequent services on both the Nothern and Caulfield Groups. "In 31 January 2021 a major" --> "On 31 January 2021, a major" "of High Capacity Metro Train" --> "of the High Capacity Metro Train"  Partly done Need to add a comma.  Fixed
14. This included removal of Frankston, Sandringham and Werribee lines from the City Loop. "removal" --> "the removal"  Fixed
15. The Frankston line however will return to the City Loop in 2025, once the Metro Tunnel is opened. "line however" --> "line, however,"  Partly done Need to add one additional comma.  Fixed
16. In 2022 works had been complete for the first stage which the installment of a new intruder alarm system. change to "In 2022, work had been completed for the first stage which was the installment of a new intruder alarm system."  Fixed
17. On 6 February 2023 early works had commenced for stage 2 at Parliament station and are expected to be complete by late 2023. change to "On 6 February 2023, early works commenced for stage 2 at Parliament station and are expected to be complete by late 2023."  Fixed
18. Replacing existing celling pannels change to "Replacing existing ceiling panels"  Fixed
19. Parliament station is currently served by 11 lines which are seperated into 11 groups and are operated by Metro Trains Melbourne. "seperated" --> "separated"  Fixed
20. Services operate counter clockwise through the City Loop, first travelling towards Flinders Street before travelling together towards Dandenong where the line splits into two. "counter clockwise" --> "counterclockwise"  Fixed
21. Services on both lines run express between South Yarra and Caulfield (Malvern during off-peak). "run express" --> "run the express"  Won't fix No fix required.
22. Services patterns alternate during the day between clockwise and counter clockwise operations. "Services" --> "Service" "counter clockwise" --> "counterclockwise"  Partly done "Services" --> "Service"  Fixed
23. Service patterns alternate during the day between clockwise and counter clockwise operations. "counter clockwise" --> "counterclockwise"  Fixed
24. Route 35 serves the tram stop on Spring Street, route 86 and 96 serve the tram stop on Bourke Street and routes 11,12, 48 and 109 serve the tram stop on Macarthur Street. "route 86 and 96" --> "routes 86 and 96"  Fixed
25. The station consists of two island platforms in a two-floor configuration which are connected to street level via two underground concourses. change to "The station has two island platforms in a two-floor configuration connected to street level via two underground concourses."  Fixed
26. Each platform is an individual tunnel, and is linked to the other platforms at the same level by several cross tunnels. "tunnel," --> "tunnel"  Fixed
27. Reference 1 and 7 is the same document. It's better to combine these two references per WP:DUPCITES.  Fixed

Communication

Does "Parliament station" need to be changed to "Parliament Station"? The person who loves reading (talk) 04:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

"Parliament station" should remain as such as the station name is usually just shortened to "Parliament" additionally it maintains consistency with other Melbourne train station articles. NotOrrio (talk) 04:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! The person who loves reading (talk) 14:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Request second opinion: I'll not edit Wikipedia for a long time. Can someone review the rest? The person who loves reading (talk) 14:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: Another Wikipedian may review the article soon; see User talk:The person who loves reading/Archive 1#Your GA review of Parliament railway station. The person who loves reading (talk) 17:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

thanks for informing me i will get back to the review as soon as they begin to review the rest NotOrrio (talk) 11:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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I'll review this article. — Golden ^talk 20:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead & Infobox

• The station is fully accessible - What does this mean? How can a station not be accessible?
  • N You've changed "accessible" to "fully compliant with DDA guidelines". However, this is still stating the obvious and isn't suitable for the lead. I doubt there are many stations in Australia that aren't compliant with DDA guidelines. — Golden ^talk
• In 1971, the Melbourne Underground Rail Loop Authority was formed. During this time, three new underground stations, including Parliament, were said to be built. - This is irrelevant for the lead. I suggest you remove it.
• Parliament station opened in 1983, and the station was named - Suggest changing this to "Parliament station opened in 1983, and it was named" to avoid three "station"s in one sentence.
  • N The sentences work better as merged as I've suggested above. — Golden ^talk
• During the station's construction, the platforms were built through tunneling. - Suggest changing this to "Platforms of the station were built through tunneling." to avoid three "the station"s in one sentence.
  • N You haven't addressed my main concern here. — Golden ^talk
• Wikilink Southern Hemisphere.
• it was the longest escalator -> "it had the longest escalator"
• The journey to Flinders Street railway station is approximately 4.2 kilometres (2.6 mi) and takes 7 minutes by train. - Why is this relevant to Parliament station?
• Victoria 3000 - What does 3000 refer to? Is it the address? Also, I don't think it's necessary to list Victoria and Australia after Melbourne. Instead, you could write Melbourne, Australia

Description

• The station is approximately 4.3 kilometres (2.7 mi), or around a 7-minute train journey, from Flinders Street. - Why is Flinders Street important enough to mention its proximity to Parliament Station? Why aren't other streets/stations mentioned instead?
• Parliament station currently - Suggest changing this to "The station currently" to avoid having three consecutive paragraphs that begin with "Parliament [railway] station".
  • N The issue has been mostly addressed, but could you also address the use of the word "currently" (See: MOS:CURRENTLY) in this sentence. — Golden ^talk
• The station is fully accessible as there are lifts linking the concourse with both the platforms and street level. - Again, aren't all stations fully accessible? The way it's currently written, it seems like Parliament Station is unique in this regard.
  • N Remove "fully" since it's unnecessary. — Golden ^talk
• You've included a wikilink to Spring Street twice in this section.

History

• responsible in the construction -> "responsible for the construction"
• Melbourne Underground Rail Loop Authority (MURLA) was formed in 1971 to oversee the construction of the brand-new City Loop. The plan included the construction of three underground stations including Parliament station. - You can change the sentence structure here to shift the focus onto Parliament station: "Parliament station was one of three underground stations included in the construction plan of the new City Loop, overseen by the Melbourne Underground Rail Loop Authority (MURLA) formed in 1971".
• Wikilink Southern Hemisphere.
• but it has since been surpassed - Do we know when it was surpassed?
• The Frankston line, however, will return to the City Loop in 2025, once the Metro Tunnel is opened. - We can't predict the future. I suggest adding "planned to" or something similar, as well as specifying who is planning to do this. The sentence could look something like this: "The Frankston line, however, is planned by [insert name] to return to the City Loop in 2025, once the Metro Tunnel is opened."
  • N Specify who it is planned by. — Golden ^talk
• In 31 January 2021 -> "On 31 January 2021"
• In 2022 and early 2023 works had begun to upgrade safety features at the three city loop stations. In 2022, work had been completed for the first stage which was the installment of a new intruder alarm system. - Does this include Parliament Station? If so, no changes are needed.
• On 6 February 2023, early works commenced for stage 2 at Parliament station and are expected to be complete by late 2023. - Expected by whom?

Platforms and services

• Parliament station is currently served by 11 lines - Replace "currently" with something else per MOS:CURRENTLY.
• You've already included a wikilink to Metro Trains Melbourne earlier in the article body, so a second link is unnecessary.
• Services clockwise through the City Loop, first stopping at Jolimont and then travelling together until Clifton Hill where the line splits into two. - A word is missing in this sentence.
• From 2025 onwards, the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines would be removed from the City Loop and will instead be rerouted through the Metro Tunnel. As a result services on the Frankston line will serve the loop instead. - Same as previous points. "Planned to"/"Expected to" etc. and clarify by whom.
• From 2025 onwards, the Sunbury line would be removed from the City Loop and will instead be rerouted through the Metro Tunnel - Same as above.
• As a result services -> "As a result, services"
• Remove links to City Loop in this section as you've already included a wikilink to it earlier in the article body.

Transport links

• Remove link to Spring Street in this section as you've already included a wikilink to it earlier in the article body.

References

• Spot checked references #5, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 29.
• Specify pages for ref #1
• I was unable to verify ref #5. Could you provide the exact quote?
• I couldn't find any information about Flinders Street or Parliament Stations in ref #10.
• Link in ref #11 is broken.
  • N The website does not mention the Parliament station. — Golden ^talk
• I was unable to verify ref #12. The website doesn't mention VicTrack or state that the station is operated by Metro Trains Melbourne, although it can be assumed since it's their website.
• I could not access ref #14.
• I could not find any information about the year 2025 in ref #16.
  • N Not addressed. — Golden ^talk

New issues

• Remove the second wikilink to "Victoria State Government" in the Platforms and services section.
• Please ensure consistency in your reference style by using citation templates for PDF sources, such as ref #1.

General comments

• I was unable to verify almost every reference I spot-checked. I won't be quick-failing the article yet, as I hope that this can be fixed. Please go through the sources again, add page numbers where possible, fix broken links, add archive links for dead URLs, etc.
• Earwig's detector doesn't show any copyright violations.
• Images are free, appropriately tagged and relevant. — Golden ^talk 20:06, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

  For source five here is the quote:

  ""Parliament station was named after Victoria's Parliament buildings that are located above it" NotOrrio (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

  gone ahead and checked the sources everything other than the older sources (which were already archived) and the ptv sources were working properly, redid the ptv sources as well NotOrrio (talk) 09:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

  Some things to clarify:

  -3000 is the post code for Melbourne's CBD

  -Flinders Street station is the main metropolitan train station in Melbourne this was also something I got inspiration from another user (see: User:HoHo3143/Improving Melbourne train station articles) who himself has gotten several train station articles to GA articles using this layout

  -Sources (10,11) are ment to source the timetables for both the pakenham and sunbury lines to get an estimated travel time between parliament and flinders street although i have used the route link for both as the timetable link often breaks and leads the user back to the ptv homepage NotOrrio (talk) 10:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

  @NotOrrio: Please note that I will keep this review open until August 28th (two weeks from my review) to allow you time to address all of my points above. I would ask that you please respond to each point individually, rather than collectively, to make it easier for me to follow when reviewing your changes. Cheers. — Golden ^talk 15:46, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  gone ahead and readdressed everything individually found a few extra errors and fixed them alongside that all sources should be working fine as they checked them one by one, finally I replaced sources 10 and 11 (the timetable sources) with the timetable website instead of the route website as that was what i was originally trying to source NotOrrio (talk) 10:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

  Also I have noticed that you have addressed a few of my comments here are the ones that haven't been crossed off so far

  • Sources (10,11) are ment to source the timetables for both the pakenham and sunbury lines to get an estimated travel time between parliament and flinders street although i have used the route link for both as the timetable link often breaks and leads the user back to the ptv homepage
  • For source five here is the quote: "Parliament station was named after Victoria's Parliament buildings that are located above it"

  NotOrrio (talk) 10:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

  @NotOrrio: I've marked the issues above that still need to be addressed. I've also added two new issues in the "New Issues" section above that need to be addressed. — Golden ^talk 13:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  source 11 is a timetable source ment to additionally source the time it takes between parliament and flinders street as the nothern tunnel is oriented differently to the other three tunnels. This source shows parliament on the left end of the screen NotOrrio (talk) 22:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  Comment: Actually not all stations on the Melbourne metropolitan network are fully accesible, Heyington station has no step free access and many of the stations that do are still not fully accesible as the ramp is too steep-https://www.metrotrains.com.au/station-accessibility-features/ shows this NotOrrio (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  last comment: i've added another source ontop of ref 16 to verify that the metro tunnel is expected to open in 2025 NotOrrio (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  @NotOrrio: You have not addressed the second and third issues in the Lead section, nor have you addressed both issues in the Description section. Additionally, the problem with ref #11 remains unresolved. Ref #11 is not a timetable source; it is a link to "Our Role" page on VicTrack's website [1], which does not mention Parliament station. This leaves this statement Parliament station is owned by VicTrack without a source. — Golden ^talk 18:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

  Although source 11 does not specifically state parliament station it does state the following "VicTrack owns Victoria’s rail land, buildings and infrastructure" the lead already mentions that parliament is a station in victoria NotOrrio (talk) 23:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

  although i have gone ahead and fixed the other problems NotOrrio (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

  I suppose I can accept that. Thank you for the changes. The article has passed. Congratulations! — Golden ^talk 14:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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