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EU in Geneva?

In foregin relations section, it says that Mongolia has as mission to the EU in Geneva. EU is headquarted in Brussels, Switzerland is not even a member of the EU. Someone want to correct? 146.87.4.53 (talk) 16:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

It is UN, not EU [1]. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is definitely a mission to UN. The Embassy of Mongolia in EU is based in Brussels. --GenuineMongol (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

GA?

Has anyone ever considered nominating this for Good Article? I just browsed, but it looked as if it would probably pass a review. I just wanted to see what the "regulars" here thought. (And so you can get credit for it!) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 15:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Time zones

These maps are depicting 3 time zones in Mongolia: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14].

These maps are depicting only 2 time zones: [15], [16], [17], [18].

A lot of maps shows only 1 time zone in Mongolia.

These sites are declaring 2 time zones: [19], [20], [21], [22].

That one declares 3 time zones [23].

What is in reality? Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

3 timezones seems to be outdated. I wonder if a reliable answer might be available from organizations such as IATA? Yaan (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. have you seen this? (not that it helps) Yaan (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes I'm visiting this site every two weeks to check the news. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 15:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

2008 Statistical Yearbook

It is availiable [www.statis.mn/yearbook/2008/Section01.xls], you need change a section number only (to access nature conditions data, rivers&lakes numbers - section 22). Bogomolov.PL (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

• Agriculture yearbook 2008 [www.statis.mn/download_data.php?type=livestock&file=livestock2008.pdf]. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

• • End of 2009 Annual Livestock Census data (sum level) is here. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

2009 Statistical Yearbook

Here it is. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 08:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Mongol Empire history section is wrong

This section is pretty substantially inaccurate. The empire did not reach its zenith until under Kublai Khan (Genghis's grandson), and was still fully united at this time. It was only after the death of Kublai that it was divided. ABR (talk) 06:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Misleading information about borders

"It borders Russia to the north and the People's Republic of China to the south, east and west."

This comment is misleading because it gives the impression that Mongolia is north of Russia and is somehow also partially surrounded by China.... It is actually bordered by Russia to the north, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.198.84 (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Both statements are correct, when reading them from a Mongolian perspective. But if you think "bordered by Russia" is clearer, don't hesitate to fix it. --Latebird (talk) 07:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request

{{editsemiprotected}} This page needs to be edited to revert the recent vandalism. Smitisme (talk) 23:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions, comments and suggestions

This is one of the best articles I read on Wikipedia. It's well written and homogeneous in style.

I have some questions, comments and suggestions:

1. What happened in the periods 234-330 and 840-907? Who was ruling the land? The article does not say it. Maybe this information should be included.

2. "The parliament is elected by the people and in turn elects the government." What does it mean? Does it mean that the parliament elects the government or that the people elect the government (I think the first one is correct). This passage is not clear and should be rewritten.

3. "Mongolia is the world's 19th-largest country (after Iran). It is significantly larger than the next-largest country, Peru." What's the relevance of Iran and Peru here? I don't think Iran and Peru are necessary for the comparison.

4. "Domestic food production, especially packaged food production has been increasingly coming up with speed with investments from foreign companies." This passage is not clear and needs to be reworked.

5. It's not clear if 38% or 40% of the population lives in Ulaanbaatar. Two figures are used in the article. Only one should be used.

6. I suggest cropping the photo of the "Riders during Naadam festival" to eliminate the butt of the black horse and to center the image on what's important.

7. The capitalization of Titan, Khartsaga and Hawk is inconsistent with the rest of the titles for the wrestling section. I don't see any reasons for doing that.

8. "The traditional wrestling costume includes an open-fronted jacket, tied around the waist with a string. This is said to have come into use after the champion of a wrestling competition many years ago was discovered to be a woman". When did that happen?

ICE77 (talk) 03:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

This article has three different spellings of Ulan Bator. Should it be rationalised? 122.107.58.27 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, according to Mongolian, it is spelled as Ulaanbaatar (Улаанбаатар, not sure if you can read this, unless you set your browser's encoding to win1251), Russians refer to it as Ulan-Bator (Улан-Батор), and I'm pretty much confused, how you should call it in English. 202.179.20.129 (talk) 14:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC), a native mongolian, by the way.

As I understand it, either term is currently acceptable, because Ulaanbaatar is a transliteration from Mongolian, which means it should be more accurate, but the Russian version, Ulan Bator, has been in the English lexicon for much longer (the same reason why the Russian word yurt is used, even though the Mongolian word is ger). However, there should be consistent use of one term throughout the article. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

SA-7 Picture

That is a SA-18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.219.161 (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Islam "generally favoured over others" in the Mongol Empire?

"Amongst the Mongol elite of the Mongol Empire, Islam was generally favored over other religions, as three of the four major khanates adopted Islam."

These three major khanates were all khanates formed in territories that had already been Islamic before that: Ilkhanate (Iran and Arabic Iraq), Golden Horde (Turkic area: Volga Bulgaria etc.) and Chagatai Khanate (Turkic area). Thus, the local elites didn't "generally" favour anything, they just (re-)adopted the local religions as they were assimilated into the local population linguistically as well (Turkicized and Persianized). The one remainder of the Empire that still included Mongolia proper, remained at least partly ethnically Mongolian and was most closely identified with the original "empire of the Great Khan", the Yuan dominion, is also the one that did not adopt Islam but tended to favour Buddhism. It's simply misleading to regard these religious developments as some kind of pan-Mongol referendum in favour of Islam. There was no "general" favouring or adoption of Islam within the unified Mongol state, because in fact the adoption of Islam, where it occurred, was inalienably connected to the (political and cultural) disintegration (de-"general"-ization") of that state.

As for the encyclopaedia cited for this sentence, it is not clear from the citation whether it contains the claim itself ("general favouring") or just the indisputable historical fact that is being used as an argument in favour of it (three out of four khanates eventually becoming Islamic). It could be that the editor himself drew the debatable conclusion from the fact, which would make it a case of original research. --Anonymous44 (talk) 15:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

The sentence doesn't indicate that there was a pan-Mongol referendum. It simply notes that Islam was more favored as the IlKhanate, Golden Horde and the Chagatai Khanate embraced Islam and distanced themselves from Shamanism. Scythian1 (talk) 04:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

It absolutely does indicate a pan-Mongol referendum. It counts khanates according to the principle "one khanate - one voice" and concludes that since the result was 3:1 for Islam, this means that as a whole, the Mongol elite preferred Islam.--Anonymous44 (talk) 19:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it is enough to just state that islam was predominant in three of the khanates, and leave the "favoured" comment away? It almost implies some kind of deliberate plan, while in reality they just ended up adapting to local customs. --Latebird (talk) 11:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I see someone has added two citations for the word "favoured". However, both are unabashedly propagandistic Islamic works extolling the virtues of Islam in a triumphalist fashion. These works do imply that the Mongols in the Western khanates preferred Islam to other religions and that this proves the unique greatness of Islam. However, this does not make them reliable sources.--Anonymous44 (talk) 19:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

"unique greatness of Islam" ??? Besides being OR, that's pretty POV, also. 04:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by HammerFilmFan (talk • contribs)

Edit request from 140.226.190.83, 11 May 2011

I'd like to add a section on air pollution in Mongolia, specifically in the winter months of the GER districts in Ulaanbaatar. The passagae is as follows: "Mongolia's capital city Ulaanbaatar, is affected by choking air pollution caused by coal and wood burning stoves used for heating and cooking. The new market economy of the country and its very cold winter seasons have led to the formation of Ger districts, where 60% of the coldest capital city in the world's population resides. The resulting air pollution problem is characterized by very high concentrations of airborn particles, particulate matter, and by less severe sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide levels. Measurements carried out in UB shows that PM is by far the most serious component of the air pollution problem. During the winter months in particular, urban air obscures vision, and negatively impacts human health. The air pollution also affects the visibility in the city to such an extent that airplanes on some occasions are prevented from landing at the local airport. The annual average temperature in UB is 0 C, making it the world's coldest capital city.[26] About 40% of the population in UB Mongolia lives in apartments, about 80% of them supplied with central heating systems from 3 combined heat and power plants (CHP). The power plants consumed almost 3.4 million tons of coal in 2007. The pollution control technology is in poor condition. In Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia annual seasonal average particulate matter concentrations have been recorded as high as 279. To put this in perspective, the World Health Organization's recommended PM10 level is 20. This means that UB's PM10 levels are 14 times higher than what is recommended. This also means that UB has left Northern China's most polluted cities in its wake. Compared to such high concentrations, some cities in Northern China and South Asia also had concentrations above 200 micrograms per meter cubed up to a few years ago. The PM levels in Chinese cities are being reduced in recent years. [1]

[1] Mongolia: Air Pollution in Ulaanbaatar - Initial Assessment of Current Situation and Effects of Abatement Measures. World Bank. 2010. http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTMONGOLIA/Resources/Air_pollution_final_report.pdf

The edit was intendind to link up to the "Particulate Matter" wikipedia page for a class project. 140.226.190.83 (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll do it later, if nobody else does it first and there are no objections, but first, a question: shouldn't this piece be added to the article on Ulaanbataar? Boneyard90 (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes I thought so at first, but the article for Ulaanbaatar is spelled Ulan Bator and I was not sure if the general public would realize that they are the same. The Mongolia page is structured, and missing any discussion of air pollution, but the Ulan Bator page is missing a lot more than talk of particulate matter and we only researched air pollution :-) Thank you for your help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.226.190.83 (talk)

I added the section under the heading Air pollution, within the section Major cities, though I edited it as I thought necessary for consistency, encyclopedic language, etc. I decided to change the "Ulaanbaatar" to "Ulan Bator". I know the first is more correct, but I think the second has been in English-language maps and references for much longer, and I did it so that the spelling would be consistent within the section. Also, the words Ulaanbaatar and Ulan Bator link to the same page, with spelling discrepencies mentioned early in the Lead section. Last, the Air pollution section might need more references, especially if an editor tries to promote it. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

"Freedom of panorama" attack at the Commons

A few misguided individuals are deleting all photographs of buildings at Wikimedia Commons due to some highly questionable applications of copyright law. We need to do something about this. Vidor (talk) 23:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

Can someone please revert the category 'States and territories established in 1990' back to 'States and territories established in 1911'. This looks just completely unjustified. Cf. Poland, Romania, two other 'states and territories' that adopted new constitutions and changed their names post-1989. Pyalh (talk) 10:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done Per Poland and Romania. GaneshBhakt (talk) 13:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Прошу не трогать ссылку на видео-экспедицию! В ней - важная информация о природе Северо-Западной Монголии и о науке

Там показаны и Ховдский университет, и его бывший ректо Нямдаваа, сейчас - Губернатор аймака, и много другое! На видео - весь ректорат того времени, школы сомонов, природа Котловины Больших Озёр, наконец - дискуссии о Монголии нескольких профессоров! Это ссылка, это не АИ!--Heljqfy 08:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heljqfy (talk • contribs)

Who assaulted whom?

The text currently says:

The next centuries were marked by violent power struggles between various factions, notably the Genghisids and the non-Genghisid Oirads and numerous invasions of Ming China (like the five expeditions led by the Yongle Emperor).

An invasion of China would be an incursion of military nature from someplace other than China that puts foreign troops on Chinese soil. So the text as it currently stand indicates that the Yongle Emperor of China invaded China. Is that the intended meaning?P0M (talk) 21:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Conflicting data in religion section

The religion section appears to contradict itself by giving at least two different and conflicting (sometimes radically) sets of data. For example: "5% of Mongolia are Muslim" is contradicted by a chart below showing the Muslim population at 3.0%. Similarly the text states "[m]ore than 4% of the population practices Christianity" while the chart says 2.1%. The section also begins with a statement that I found confusing: "[m]ore than 90% of Mongolian citizens subscribed to some form of Buddhism, mostly Tibetan Buddhism with traditional shamanism." Does this mean now (which would badly contradict the other data given) or does the past tense of 'subscribed' indicate that this was true at some time in the past (if so, when?) In short, I think this section would benefit from being rewritten to present a more clear and consistent picture of the data. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 19:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request: Air Pollution Information

In the air pollution section, it would be useful to include a link to this site which aggregates the latest information on Ulaanbaatar air pollution: http://ubairpollution.org/ 182.160.21.156 (talk) 00:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• why is air pollution listed under foreign relations and military? --Fallind (talk) 20:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

Religion and 2 other categories are under Transportation. Please fix. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.65.12.86 (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Damdin Sükhbaatar

Damdin Sükhbaatar is depicted, but he is not mentioned in the text. He is important enough in the national consciousness to have the major square in the capital named after him, so there should be some mention of him in the text. 02:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

The statue of Genghis Khan is also located in the square outside the Parliament Building and is much closer to the entrance. Therefore there is no need to mention anything about Damdin Sükhbaatar or about any of his adventures in this article. Sonarclawz (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 February 2012 - A section translated from Wikipedia Russian Version is suggested to be inserted under Administrative divisions here

Address System in Mongolia

Due to a significant number of temporary settlements in the country ( yurts ), changing the spatial position over time, the traditional address systems (city, street, house) is not very suitable for Mongolia.

February 2, 2008 The Government of Mongolia decided to adapt to the needs of the country's technology Universal Address System, that is, using the Natural Area Code (NAC) for addressing objects in the field.

This system can address in the locality within the Earth as a whole regions and cities, individual houses and even small objects up to a meter. The more accurate the address, the longer the code.

For example, the address of the city of Ulan Bator as a whole - RV-W QZ , a monument in the center of the square Sukhbaatar in Ulan Bator - RW8SK QZKSL .

The essence of targeting NAC code is very simple and similar to the nomenclature system of naming the individual map sheets or with a number of large-scale spatial indexing system, Oracle Spatial .

Universal address system is global in nature and is well suited for use in digital cartography, GIS and navigation systems.

Xshen (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The reliable sources are 1. Wikipedia in Russian 2. Government Resolution for Using Natural Area Codes as National Addresses 3. http://www.my-mir.info/strana/m/mongolia.html Xshen (talk) 19:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• • Over 3 years later are any reliable sources supporting Universal Address System using in real life? Or that was just a declaration? Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is not a reliable source, since anyone can edit it. The second source mentions the address system as does the My Mir entry, but not enough to be used as a source for all of the content you want to insert. Do you have any sources which go into that level of detail? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources Here is a list of sources on the web site of the Government of Mongolia that should be official:

1. http://www.cud.ub.gov.mn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58:2010-01-21-02-38-21&catid=31:general&Itemid=62

2. http://www.cud.ub.gov.mn/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=46

3. http://www.cud.ub.gov.mn/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=3&layout=blog&Itemid=44&limitstart=5 Xshen (talk) 19:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Those three websites are run by the Ulaanbaatar city construction and development department, not by the government of Mongolia. The relevant content ois identical to what you already linked to at www.legalinfo.mn, which actually is run by the national government - each of the three websites shows decision no. 77/ 2008 (not sure what the exact term would be). As it is you who introduced these sources,I am sure you are aware of this. ;-)

I completely agree with Bogomolov here: If this system is actually implemented, then it is relevant for this article. If it is just some good idea by some people close to the previous PM, it might still be relevant for an article about "2008 in Mongolian geography", but probably not relevant enough for this article.

I also would like to see a translation of that government decision. It is fairly short, so I think this is not asking too much. My own knowledge of Mongolian is, unfortunately, not really sufficient to understand it. Yaan (talk) 22:09, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I would agree with your comments too. --Chinyin (talk) 06:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The resolution translated by a commercial translation agency is shown here:

http://www.nacgeo.com/nacsite/press/mongolianresolution.asp

Xshen (talk) 22:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 22:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Xshen (talk) 15:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC) Hi Celestra, when will a consensus be reached?

When you and the other editors agree on the content which should be in the article. Currently, Bogomolov.PL, Yaan and Chinyin have expressed opinions that this does not belong in the article. You need to actively work out an agreement with them. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Completely understand the need to be patient. Please arrange for a conference to address the issues and resolve them so that we can all arrive at a consensus. Sonarclawz (talk) 09:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Foreign languages

I question that Russian is the most common foreign language spoken in Mongolia. There is no ref. given here, and the ones given at Wik/Russian language are 1] not supportive and 2] too old, respectively. Schools have switched over to teaching English as the most common foreign language.Kdammers (talk) 14:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Schools may have switched over to English, but it will be a few years before those kids become a majority of the population. But as you pointed out, if we're going to change the article, we need a reliable source that supports your assertion. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Mongolia has a very young population. The median age is only 26, according to http://www.indexmundi.com/mongolia/median_age.html (Too lazy now to look for an authorative source). That means that more than half of the population was born after 1986, came (or will come) into school age after 1992 and started (or will start) foreign language education after 1996. Yaan (talk) 21:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

situation of the Mongolian language in Mongolia and in Inner Mongolia

I have removed the bold part of the following sentence from the article: "Interest in Chinese, as the language of the other neighbouring power, has been growing; in fact, according to Uradyn E. Bulag, anthropologist at Hunter College and the Graduate Center, City University of New York in New York City, USA, ethnic Mongols in bordering Inner Mongolia are displaying significant linguistic anxiety about losing their language and linguistic identity to powerful Chinese nationalistic and cultural forces. "

The reason is that the boldened part of the sentence gives the impression that "powerful Chinese nationalistic and cultural forces" have some influence on the status of the Mongolian language within Mongolia. This is just not the case: Chinese is a language that some people find useful to learn as a third or maybe even as a second language. But it certainly is not a language that (Outer) Mongolians use when communicating amongst themselves. Yaan (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I can understand your reasoning. Thanks for your message. --Chinyin (talk) 01:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 March 2012

ANTHEM_OF_MONGOLIA.ogg

Azsony (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✗ Not done Please clarify what should be changed. mabdul 13:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

i was here!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.255.131 (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Choibalsan is not correctly listed.

Choibalsan has a population (according to the Choibalsan Wik page and even to this chart) that puts it at tied for fourth, but the inscrutable chart has it way down in the second ten. Can some-one who knows how to modify this chart please straighten things out.Kdammers (talk) 12:03, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

One sentence that need to be rewritten (please!)

" It elects its members every four years by general elections" makes no sense in English. Could someone who is in a position to edit the article please change it to something like "Its members are elected every four years"? Thankyou! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.216.193 (talk) 09:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2013

Hello, The capital name in this page is wrong. Correct name is Ulaanbaatar not Ulan Bator. Khishigbaatar (talk) 11:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.

I have no strong opinion, but this has been discussed at Talk:Ulan Bator. See that page and engage in discussion there if you like. Thanks. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 17:49, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Gjenghis Khan's empire

Gjenghis Khan's empire did not include Poland, and only a part of today's Ukraine. Both countries were invaded and bore heavy losses, but the Mongolian rule was never established in Poland, and the major parts of Kievan Rus paid a tribute to Mongols, but were not under direct rule. --Jidu Boite (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

No border with Kazakhstan?

I'm a bit surprised that Mongolia is listed as bordering only China and Russia, as on large world maps it seems it has a tiny border with Kazakhstan. Is there a source that it doesn't border KZ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.33.221 (talk) 19:31, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Messed up formatting due to Mongolian in the lead

With a series of several edits, a user changed much of the article, and now there is messed up formatting (too large space between first and second lines from the top) in the lead whereas it looked fine previously. Can someone perhaps provide a suggestion as to how to fix this problem? Dustin (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I have fixed it by inserting the marker "<br />". Meanwhile I have move the word "Manchu" to the first occurrence of "Qing dynasty" in the article. --Cartakes (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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Categorization: Mongolia is a Central Asian country

Category:Central Asian countries is the main category. This category must leave. Category:East Asian countries and + Category:Northeast Asian countries are not important. Until the collapse of the USSR (1991) Mongolia recognized as Central Asian country and from the 1990s Mongolia referred as Central Asian + East Asian and + Northeast Asian country. Mongolia geographically, historically and culturally Central Asian country.

History of Central Asia, History of Siberia, Eurasian Steppe, History of East Asia

Central_Asia#Definitions: The UNESCO general history of Central Asia, written just before the collapse of the USSR, defines the region based on climate and uses far larger borders. According to it, Central Asia includes Mongolia, Tibet, northeast Iran (Golestan, North Khorasan and Razavi provinces), central-east Russia south of the Taiga, Afghanistan, Pakistan, northern part of India, and the former Central Asian Soviet republics (the five "Stans" of the former Soviet Union).

An alternative method is to define the region based on ethnicity, and in particular, areas populated by Eastern Turkic, Eastern Iranian, or Mongolian peoples. These areas include Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, the Turkic regions of southern Siberia, the five republics, and Afghan Turkestan. Afghanistan as a whole, the northern and western areas of Pakistan and the Kashmir Valley of India may also be included. The Tibetans and Ladakhi are also included. Insofar, most of the mentioned peoples are considered the "indigenous" peoples of the vast region.

East_Asia#Uses_of_the_term_East_Asia [24]: Culturally, China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam are commonly seen as being encompassed by cultural East Asia. (It means that Mongolia culturally is not East Asian country).

Northeast Asia: In common usage, however, the term Northeast Asia typically includes China. In this form, the core countries constituting Northeast Asia are China, Japan, North Korea, and South Korea. Countries within Northeast Asia are Japan, North Korea, and South Korea and may also include China, Russia (typically referring to Russian Far East), Mongolia, and even Taiwan. (Northeast Asia is a new term that invented in the 1990s. This term not geographical term, it's political and economic term. Mongolia is not one of core countries in the subregion. Geographically Russian Far East is real Northeast Asia). Scxipa (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

In what context? Mongolia is in North or East Asia and even borders China. IT only happens to share a border with Kazakstan but it is in no way a Central Asian country as it is not located there. The Turks themselves came from Mongolia before immigrating to Central Asia. Akmal94 (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Lack of sources and poor grammar in "festivals."

I cannot edit the page, but there seems to be problems with the final "festivals" section, that can be Copy Edited. There is a link to a missing page, there are no sources, and the first sentence is grammatically incorrect in regards to parallel structure. Metalsofa (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

There are sources in Eagle festival and Naadam articles. Cathry (talk) 15:22, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Introduction

I am surprised by the amount of history in the introduction. History is good but there is a separate section for that, right? A little history in the introduction is good.

Currently, the last paragraph of the introduction has a little bit about the actual size, the population and the religion. I think that should be at the beginning of the introduction and perhaps there should be a little more about the religion. There should also be a little bit about the government and the language(s). I think that much of the history that is in the introduction is more appropriate for the history section.

Mongolia is such a far-away place for many of us in the world and it would be good if the introduction is interesting enough to increase a person's interest in learning more. It is not China nor Russia and its current status should be emphasized in the introduction. Sam Tomato (talk) 21:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I reordered the lede paragraphs to put the history at the end. --A D Monroe III (talk) 22:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I would agree that there could be an excess of history in the intro. The fame of Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan make their mention worth-while; and I would keep some of the recent history regarding independence, the period of soviet influence, and the arrival at its current democratic, open market situation. Batternut (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not too worried by the amount of history in the lede. Mongolia is probably better known for its history than its current state (the world's largest empire is pretty notable). But I've no objection combining the two history paragraphs into one and shortening a bit. --A D Monroe III (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2016

Hey, by the list of cities in Mongolia it seems that the pictures of Erdenet and Darkhan have been switched around. Cant solve it myself, I'm new here :). Geroza (talk) 10:54, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Geroza: Done. The error was in Template:Largest_cities_of_Mongolia. Batternut (talk) 11:34, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

2nd largest landlocked country

Look, as Mongolia is the 2nd largest landlocked country. I do think the majority of the readers would be very curious to know Kazakhstan is the largest. So, I would suggest to reveal just that and the readers can focus back on the topic of Mongolia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss Zeyneb (talk • contribs) 18:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

@Miss Zeyneb: I agree - would you like to make that change? I doubt anyone would complain. Batternut (talk) 09:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Done it. Sorry, forgot about it being semi-protected.Batternut (talk) 12:50, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2016

Mongolia is the 19th largest sovereign country in the world. In the second paragraph, the article says "18th", although a source for this information is included that even ranks it as the 19th. Nejohnson95 (talk) 03:11, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Done. Batternut (talk) 13:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

National anthem of Bogd Khaganate

National anthem of Mongolia contains a, from my perspective, rather doubtful chapter of the "anthem of Bogd Khaganate". Could a speaker of the mongolian language I hope to find here verify that information?--Antemister (talk) 18:22, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

One third of the population were monks?

For this claim, three sources are cited in the article. The first one is found here and it actually says something very different:

'By the beginning of the 20th century ... There were about 110,000 monks, almost 1/3 of the male population of Mongolia and over one-third of the total population lived on monastery lands, worked for monasteries or in other ways were dependent upon the monasteries for their livelihoods. The monasteries had acquired this wealth of people as nobles had donated their dependents to the monasteries to escape taxes, just as individual herders had joined the establishments to escape exactions from landlords. '

Obviously, being the serf/tenant of a monastery (tilling the land for it) and being a monk is not at all the same thing, just like being the serf/tenant of a lord doesn't make you a lord!

The second source is here. What it says is:

'Buddhism in Mongolia flourished. One-third of its male population studied in its 750 monasteries, centers of arts and learning.'

Once again, it is not self-evident that everyone who 'studied' there was a monk. Furthermore, it isn't obvious that this publication is a reliable source or that the author is any kind of expert; the overall tone is not objective but one of piety ('Mongolians ... face the future with the consolations of the compassionate teaching of the Buddha'), there are clearly non-objective assertions (Tibetans are said to be 'denied the right' to practice Buddhism, which is, at best, a rhetorical exaggeration) and it doesn't seem to have been checked by an editor (Tibet is said to be located 'to the north' of Mongolia!).

The third source is Michael Jerryson, Mongolian Buddhism: The Rise and Fall of the Sangha, (Chiang Mai: Silkworm Books, 2007), 89. I haven't been able to check that one, but in view of the sloppy way in which the other two sources have been used, I think there should be a quotation from that page to verify that Jerryson does say that.--95.42.29.86 (talk) 23:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Choibalsan was not a communist but a Pan-Mongolist?

'The early leaders of the Mongolian People's Republic (1921–1952) were not communists and many of them were Pan-Mongolists. The Soviet Union forcefully established a communist regime in Mongolia by later exterminating Pan-Mongolists. In the 1960s, Soviets recognized the Mongolian People's Party as "real" communists, who took power after the suspicious death of Pan-Mongolist leader Choibalsan.'

This seems to be some sort of crackpot revisionist claim. Even assuming that Choibalsan was a Pan-Mongolist, that doesn't preclude his being a communist and a Stalinist, as he is commonly recognised to have been.--95.42.29.86 (talk) 23:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

97% Nomadic vs. 40% in Ulaanbaatar?

How can "Approximately 97% of the population" be "nomadic or semi-nomadic" when "40% of the population lives in Ulaanbaatar"? Can both of these statements be true? Aemely (talk) 19:57, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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the president is outdated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.39.135 (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Central Asia or East Asia?

An editor says that Mongolia is not in Central Asia, and changed the lede to say East Asia.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:36, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

For some, it is in central Asia, it depends how you define it. Eg Gravis, Melnikov et al, p 297, 2003. Indeed, read Central Asia#Definitions. Batternut (talk) 19:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2018

Please add Vienna to the list of capital cities that have Mongolian embassies (Foreign relations section). The country also has a consulate in Vienna und a further one in Salzburg. 91.141.3.14 (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Vienna is already listed as one of the cities containing a Mongolian embassy.Spintendo      14:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I just updated entire section, including the more-recent listing of embassies. Vienna was added but the list of other missions, such as the consulate in Salzburg, is better-placed on the List of diplomatic missions of Mongolia page. That page is not protected and the IP editor is invited to edit it themselves, if they wish. Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The religion section in the infobox

In the religion section of the infobox, it only adds up to 61.1%. What's the other 38.9%? VibeScepter (talk) (contributions) 19:40, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2018

Mongolia is 18th largest country in world... paragraph lists it as "19th largest (after Iran)" - should be changed to 18th. 216.26.217.18 (talk) 04:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kpgjhpjm 04:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done Quite right. Thanks for pointing it out. Batternut (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Words like these are NOT hyphenated in Modern English

Words like these are NOT hyphenated in Modern English:
seminomadic, semidesert, semiprotected, semiconductor, multiparty, multinational, multiethnic, multistate, multistage, anticommunist, antifascist, anticapitalistic, antimissile, antitank, southeast, northeast, northwest, southwest, but anti-Nazi, anti-Soviet, anti-Asian, and anti-Chinese are, for a good reason. 24.121.195.165 (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Soviet collapse

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, not 1989.2601:681:5580:E84:38B9:7A0C:2C02:D490 (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)Robert Argenbright, argenbrightr@gmail.com

I have changed the year from 1989 to 1991. --Kingerikthesecond (talk) 20:00, 9 January 2019 (UTC)