Talk:Middle East

Middle East definition

We can’t use this modern day definition of “middle East” without usage of Near east and Far east. This map is entirely incorrect as it includes the near East and is now completely inaccurate and lost all of its meaning. I propose a new map, which separates the near East from the Middle East, and shows the far East. All labeled. Middle East is supposed to be Mesopotamia to Burma. Central Asia is supposed to be included in the definition of Middle East. Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Turkey etc ARE NOT MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES. Ricemaster12 (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I’m not saying to change the definition by any means. What I am saying though is to INCLUDE the original definition of what the Middle East was. It serves as a great insight for people who are not familiar with the definition (which many people aren’t) and is extremely valuable. All I ask is to include the definition given by the United States Government (picture included) to which I can provide sources and you or other editors can insert. It doesn’t even have to be in the lede. Perhaps somewhere in the body, under the Terminology section, the picture can be included. Ricemaster12 (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe I have found a resolution for the both of us, sir :)

See latest topic. Ricemaster12 (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I think that Pakistan should be part of the Middle East because if you go back in time you can see many Muslim empires controlled parts of Pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.232.2 (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023

• In the table of countries and territories, the GDP column should have "billions" replaced by "millions". Alternatively, all numbers in that column could be divided by 1000 instead.:
• All GDPs in this column appear to be off by 3 orders of magnitude.:

Unseemly Levity (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Andumé (talk) 04:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Specifics of the term

As many of you know, the term has been used ever since the beginning of World War I up until the present day. During the years leading up to the present, the term has been extremely fluid, ranging from (and including) parts of North Africa, Central Asia, South Asia, West Asia (and even parts of Southeast and East Asia, aka Myanmar and Chinese turkestan respectively). What I’m saying is that there is no clear-cut definition of the term and it’s 100% dependent on historical context.

Is anyone in favor of possibly making an edit to include the following in the opening paragraph of this page: “the term Middle East has been used to denote a wide variety of areas and countries in North Africa and Asia. Depending on the historical context and culture at the time (for example, World War I and World War II), the definition of the term widely varied to specify the area and countries during that point in time that was deemed appropriate”. It does not have to be worded exactly like this (and quite frankly, it shouldn’t) but it’s worth pointing out blatantly at the top of this page. WikiAmerican1 (talk) 02:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2023

Palestine is one! Remove israel and the hebrew language! 89.211.210.82 (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. CMD (talk) 13:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Countries and territory emblems

Emblems in the Countries and territory section are almost all wrong and/or inaccurate and should be change and i don't have enough edits to do so and pls don't have the the picture's of the emblems and flag a redirect link to the country's wiki page just leave it as a normal picture Smint34 (talk) 10:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

As to the "occupied" sub-section in the table

I think that it should changed to "Occupied or Annexed" since Israel annexed 2/4 of these territories. עמית לונן (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Start section on Politics

I propose to start a section on politics/goverments/democracy. HudecEmil (talk) 12:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

Armenia is Middle Eastern; Armenia is native to the Middle East; and current Armenia is only what is left of Armenia due to colonization, occupation, and genocide. Armenia should be included in this definition of the Middle East. Türkiye is partly in the Armenian highlands, Europe, and the lesser Caucasus, but still considered the Middle East, while Armenia is also part of the Armenian highlands and in the lesser Caucasus, but not in Europe; the Middle East does not include Europe, and Armenia is completely part of West Asia. Geographynerdy (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Opinionated. This topic has been discussed thoroughly; see archives for consensus. Archives908 (talk) 01:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2024

Add paragraph to Terminology section:

The term 'SWANA' has been used to refer to South-West Asia and North Africa. This term attempts to distinguish the region in geographical terms, rather than “political terms” as defined by the Western world.

Source: https://aapirc.ucsc.edu/swana/what-is-swana.html Gilgarbon (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: There is a separate page for the Middle East and North Africa which already mentions SWANA. This page covers a narrower region that does not include North Africa, except for Egypt. Jamedeus (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Middle East Map

the green coloured map is inaccurate. Cyprus is not part of the middle east and never has been. Cyprus is an independant island and had joined the EU in May of 2004 This map needs to be corrected. KatieKoupp (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The map represents what's mentioned in the article. M.Bitton (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

Remove UTC+4:30, only Afghanistan uses it, and it isn't in the Middle East proper, it only neighbors it, so this would be incorrect. Marksaeed2024 (talk) 07:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 July 2024

Change Iraqi Turkmen to Turkmen, as Turkmen is not only in Iraq.

Change Greek Cypriot to Cypriots, there are Turkish Cypriots too.

Add Alawites, Druze, Armenians. IR94025190 (talk) 03:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Unclear and unsourced. Archives908 (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

"Government of the Middle East" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Government of the Middle East has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 1 § Government of the Middle East until a consensus is reached. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 August 2024

In § Countries and territory, I noticed that Yemen does not have its Emblem listed. Please modify the {{Coat of arms}}, element to include the Emblem of Yemen, as it has one. Emblem of Yemen

If nothing can be done, please request a change at Template talk:Coat of arms to modify the code where if a country does not have a coat of arms, but rather an emblem instead, to list an option or express a different code outcome (e.g. if country has emblem show image) ѕιη¢єяєℓу ƒяσм, ᗰOᗪ ᑕᖇEᗩTOᖇ 🏡 🗨 📝 17:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up: I have requested a change over at the {{CoA}} talk page, hoping to fix the issue. A file rendition error was a cause, but maybe an alternation of code would work. ѕιη¢єяєℓу ƒяσм, ᗰOᗪ ᑕᖇEᗩTOᖇ 🏡 🗨 📝 01:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

 Question: The template CoA uses simplified coat of arms for some countries, I believe that is the case with Yemen also, due to the complexity of its Emblem. Is there a simplified version of it? Bunnypranav (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue has been fixed via commons, ѕιη¢єяєℓу ƒяσм, ᗰOᗪ ᑕᖇEᗩTOᖇ 🏡 🗨 📝 04:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 September 2024

change “not just the part barring East Thrace” to “including East Thrace” Organicbrutalist (talk) 00:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 09:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)