Talk:Marek Bartánus

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 11:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Marek Bartánus → Marek Bartanus – Undo controversial move to invoke Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Contrary to WP:AT and WP:EN, this article was moved to a non-English title that is not verified by any sources used in the article. Dolovis (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose: A quick Google search reveals this individual's name to be Marek Bartánus not Marek Bartanus, confirmed both by foreign and English language sources. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 16:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nurmsook. A quick google search found both english and foreign references using this version. -DJSasso (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. User:Dolovis has been recently restricted thanks to WP:ANI and cannot move pages, so he tries to game the system even further by these meaningless particularized RMs. I have added the reference confirming the name use. - Darwinek (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

  Dolovis' page move ban explicitly stated he is to open a RM if he wishes to change the location of an article. He is not gaming the system in this case, but instead is following the procedure as he was asked to do. Resolute 19:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support, as this is the english language Wikipedia, we should go with the english (i.e non-diacritics) sources. GoodDay (talk) 19:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

  You did read that there was English sources for this name right? -DJSasso (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

  No English language sources are shown in the article. Dolovis (talk) 03:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  There is now... – Nurmsook! ^talk... 03:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - A Google search confirms that Marek Bartanus is the commonly used name as verifiable by both English and non-English sources:

  Marek Bartánus = about 37,800 total hits from all languages [1] with about 1,710 hits from English sites[2] and about

  Marek Bartanus = about 73,500 total hits from all languages.[3] with about 12,100 hits from English language sites[4] Dolovis (talk) 10:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  No what that shows is that usage is split which means you go with the native spelling in the case of a non-established english usage. -DJSasso (talk) 11:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  No. Per WP:COMMONNAME , for the article title, Wikipedia uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Dolovis (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Right but only when its firmly established. Being so split does not show that its the established usage in english. -DJSasso (talk) 14:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Over 12,000 English-language site hits demonstrates an established usage in English. Dolovis (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Not when there are 2000 that are using them it doesn't. Plus the usage is required to be from reliable sources, not every source in a random google search is going to be a reliable source when it comes to names. -DJSasso (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:HOCKEY compromise and non-existant guidelines on diacritics in personal names, whether in WP:AT or WP:UE. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose for several reasons: Accuracy (as the proposed title is arguably a grammatical error or misspelling), consistency (as per standard practice with personal names in this language), the recommendations of style guides, the practice in other English-language encyclopedias such as Britannica, harmlessness (as the diacriticless spelling is deducible from the proper name, but not vice versa), pronunciation guidance, informativeness (as our primary purpose as an encyclopedia is to educate the readers by providing accurate, complete and trustworthy information) and respect (as people usually want their name spelled right and knowingly misspelling a living person's name is both unencyclopedic and unethical). Prolog (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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