Talk:Mami Kawada

Some suggestions for improvement

I see that this article underwent a peer review recently and I hadn't noticed. Some things I would suggest doing are if you can find music video information it would be good to add that. Also collaborative work, (which I don't believe I've heard of her doing) would be good to take note of. I have come across a few interviews that's she done in my attempts to make a proper article on a single she's done, and in those there are fleeting amounts of music video information. If she does radio shows or talk shows, then that would be good to include, but I'm unsure of what you'd find there. A good way to find information is searching under the anime series she's worked for rather than under Kawada Mami herself. I do believe there might be some artist talks like they do with seiyuus on drama cds or radio shows.

Also one completely wild idea is that she, like probably every other I've singers, has only two composers for her music and it might be possible to make some comments about that. Personally I've always liked one of the composers more than the other. As of now it's just kinda a mystery as to what she does other than occasionaly compose anime theme music and then that other stuff that make up her ablum, to put it bluntly. AngelFire3423 (talk) 06:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

As requested, here are some interviews. Really any search with 川田まみ　インタビュー will lead to good results. You can also include the site parameter in searches for better results "川田まみ　インタビュー http://www.famitsu.com/"

• Joint Famitsu probaly has some good interviews if you search the site
• Excite's interview list
• www.barks.jp is a good place to look
• www.teena.ne.jp is also a good place to look
• or above google search is the easiest really

AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Info to add

I've just taken facts and written them in the order they appeared in the articles, but these can be included wherever.

• [1] Her songs Immoral and Eclipse on I've Girls Compilation 6 (2004/6) were well received. Her debut single Radiance was produced by Tomoyuki Nakazawa, and he became her primary producer.
• [2] As a part of I've Sound, she was based in Sapporo since her debut. From 2010 she started to work a bit more in Tokyo and collaborated with other musicians. This search for a new stage is what caused the slightly longer gap between Linkage and Square the Circle. She is thankful to have had Kotoko and Shimamiya in I've to have gone before her, it felt like she was always protected. Nakazawa was the main producer for her first three albums, comping up with the album concepts and titles. For Square the Circle, the production was slightly different, in that he asked Kawada what sort of album and what sort of songs she wanted during the process.
• [3] for StC, Kawada commissioned songs that made Nakazawa think of "Mami Kawada" performing live (i.e. specifically her visual image and stage persona, as opposed to her private self).
• [4] In 2001, her music teacher Shimamiya asked if she wanted to try out for the I've audition in summer 201. She was successful, and the song she auditioned with was released in November (i.e. Kaze to Kimi). Even in 2013 she is still based in Sapporo. After her debut, for three years she dreamed of being able to be a singer in Sapporo, but considered her work more like getting pocket money. She decided to debut as a singer based in Sapporo because there she was surrounded by her friends and family. The members and staff of I've over the course of three/four years had becoming like another family to her, and she wanted to be able to continue this "happy environment". After Kotoko had made her debut as a singer [in 2004], suddenly [I've management] started to talk about her debut too. She felt quite uneasy about the idea, like she was being thrust into the spotlight. Instead of Kawada making an active decision to become a singer, she simply got used to the idea more as talks for her debut continued.//In her first 10 years as a singer she always felt like a beginner, but since 2011 she started to have younger singers in I've debuting and looking up to her. Her backing band members also changed around this time, making it feel like a time of transition (hence the release of her greatest hits in 2013). In the same time period she started noticing herself as being different to "Mami Kawada" the singer, depicted on posters, who she saw as a "cool older sister" that the younger I've singers were looking up to. In 2001, KazeKimi was recorded over two days (but the 2012 rerecording was over very quickly).//Kawada wrote the lyrics of Recall, a song sung by the singer Ray for the anime Amnesia.
• [5] Started writing lyrics after her major debut. Performed her first international live in 2007, in Taiwan. --Prosperosity (talk) 05:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wugapodes (talk · contribs) 01:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Will review. Wugapodes (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Currently working on the references (fixing redirects, and more importantly, adding archive links for dead links wherever possible). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:26, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Cites reliable sources, where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   All in japanese so WP:AGF on those

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

If the comment is numbered, it must be addressed for the article to pass, if it is bulleted, it's an optional suggestion or comment that you don't need to act on right now.
When I quote things, you can use ctrl+f to search the page for the specific line I quoted.

1. Do any sources happen to mention what year she was born?

2. "Kawada announced her retirement from singing in May" You should include the year. Also, reword as I thought she announced that she retired in May, not that she will retire in May.

• You should probably clean up the external links section as one of the templates you're using is being deleted.

@Wugapodes: Unfortunately, she keeps her age a secret. While various sources list her year of birth as either 1980 or 1978, neither have ever been confirmed by her, so adding a year of birth at this point would be a massive BLP violation (although outside of Wikipedia, I do use 1980 in casual speech). The original edit did include her year of retirement, but someone else removed the year. Will address the issues in a bit. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

How is it a BLP violation? Since the information is WP:Verifiable, aren't we allowed to include it? (genuinely asking, I don't often write BLPs so I don't actually know) Wugapodes (talk) 02:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

@Wugapodes: None of the said sources (i.e. MyAnimeList) are reliable, as these tend to be user editable. The BLP policy states that contentious content (i.e. those likely to be challenged: in this case, a year of birth) must be cited to a reliable source, and no reliable sources have confirmed her age. This issue has been repeatedly raised in the article's peer reviews, but until the time comes that she reveals her age, as much as I would want to, I can't include it in the article. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:16, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

That's a really good reason! You may want to add that as a footnote (if there's a source that says it) just so people know, but I'm not going to require that. Wugapodes (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Results

On hold for 7 days pending revisions. Very well done article! Just address those two comments and it's good to go! Wugapodes (talk) 01:46, 29 January 2016 (UTC) Listed Well written and came here with almost no problems. I wish more nominations were like this one! I hop to see more from you, so keep up the good work. Wugapodes (talk) 02:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Article reference issues

This article is listed as a "Good article", is a BLP, and there are sourcing issues that need reviewing.

• 1)- Official websites: The use of "official" sites (like NBCUniversal Entertainment Japan) are not to be used as references. A good indication is when the link states "Official website" such as this. This is why there is an "External links" section and there is more than one "External link" also being used as a reference. This raises concerns of copyright issues.
• 2)- Dead links: Healing Leaf, I've Sound Explorer (currently #6) and I only stop checked.
• 3)- Primary sources: There are too many primary sources such as I sound and NBCUniversal Entertainment Japan that is also Geneon Universal Entertainment.
• 4)- Twitter: Twitter as a reference may not be appropriate.
• 5)- Content in the 2013–16: Parablepsia section: "...as well as the song "Belief", which is used in the 2014 video game Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax." uses this source (current #52). I might have missed it because there is far to much source content, and an entire source should not have to be translated and read to find verification, so it needs some form of sub-caption for direction.

Having 71 references might "appear" to be well sourced but just a glance shows too many primary sources and other sourcing issues. Notability can be questioned if there is not sufficient secondary sources. A primary source does not count towards advancing notability and multiple uses of a source may look good but such multiple uses count as one towards notability.

I only briefly glanced over the article but there are enough issues it might have to be downgraded to "C-class". Before this article is de-classed and tagged would someone please see if they can address these issues? Otr500 (talk) 07:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)