Talk:Livedoor

Note on capitalization

The official homepage of livedoor [1] uses the style "livedoor" (no caps).

All news sources that I've seen use "Livedoor".

• BBC [2]
• Asahi Shimbun (English) [3]
• Forbes [4]
• People's Daily Online (English) [5]

--Writtenonsand 19:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

But note that Flickr uses no caps in its logo, as well. Ashibaka tock 09:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Added additional news source

Added an additional news source on the presumed suicide of Hideaki Noguchi, as I've noticed that the Yahoo news pages tend to disappear fast. --Writtenonsand 19:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

bourse?

This word appears under "Fraud allegations" but isn't commonly known or linked. Mike 21:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that too. It looks like that sentence was copied from a news source. I have changed "the bourse" to "it". --DylanW 22:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Bourse is the British (Commonwealth) English (via French for a stock exchange, though it is usually used in reference to European exchanges. I left it when I did an editing pass because I'm accustomed to reading it, but perhaps it is too much of a term of art to be considered common. It is listed in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, though... HTH, Jim_Lockhart 11:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

That Merriam-Webster Unabridged link doesn't work for people who are not subscribed members. This Merriam-Webster OnLine entry says "EXCHANGE 5a; specifically : a European stock exchange" (like you mentioned above), so it's probably best not used for this article. --DylanW 22:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. But if it's good enough for the Financial Times (which is cited several times as a source), it's good enough for me... I would leave it, if not just to motivate those who don't know it to look it up. Some people come to Wikipedia to pick up on field-specific word usage, and bourse is a word people interested in exchanges and related subjects should know. HTH, Jim_Lockhart 23:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I mostly agree with you. I wouldn't object to putting it back, although I wouldn't do it myself because like you and Merriam-Webster said, it is usually used in reference to European exchanges, and this article of course is talking about the Japanese exchange. --DylanW 03:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Fraud?

The story as it stands is very unspecific as to what kind of fraud is being alleged...

The article says, "On March 16, 2007, Livedoor's founder was sentenced to 2.5 years in jail. The company is scheduled to go public in the next 6 to 12 months." Where did you get the information that the company is scheduled to go public? I've searched extensively, and I can't find any information on this.

Offload vs Unload

To me, there's a slight semantic difference between these two words. Offloading better describes what happened in Tokyo last week because investors—particularly day traders and individual investors—were selling the shares in a panic to get rid of them. Herd mentality played a part, but (this is my opinion here) Japanese investors were reading the wind and trying to get rid of livedoor shares before they became worthless, something they were worried about because they sense that the raids and media bashing are politically motivated. In any case, to me, unloading shares is something people (such as insiders) do quietly when they know bad news is in the offing; whereas offloading is something they do to get rid of shares quickly. Any thoughts? Jim_Lockhart 02:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know enough about the difference between the two words in this context. To me, "unload" gives the impression of dumping. What do other people think? --DylanW 03:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've sent a feeler out to a colleague who edits financial material to see what she says. Will report back. Have a good one, Jim_Lockhart 07:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Reporting back: The colleague says the two words are pretty much synonymous, but she uses offload. An "offload shares" vs "unload shares" googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/) yields 684,000-2.06mn googits, and combination of them with "stock" and "the issue" brings similar results, so the numbers are on your side! <g> HTH, Jim_Lockhart 14:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for getting back. Marriam-Webster says they're synonymous too, so either way is fine with me. --DylanW 19:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Current Events

This is no longer a current event, stop saying it is.

I'm not insisting on calling it a current event, but just out of curiosity: What is your definition of a current event? The story of Livedoor's execs' being arrested and the scandal still dominate the Japanese news, and it's still making the front-page headlines of the Financial Times; I wouldn't be surprised if there were an article in this week's Economist and other business journals as well. That sounds like a current event to me. Or am I missing something about the tag? Jim_Lockhart 00:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I felt the same way. I wasn't sure why 207.6.50.92 keeps removing the current event tag, and without explanation. My theory was that he's an executive at the company and wants less attention drawn to the scandal. --DylanW 02:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

After writing the above, I checked 207.6.50.92's edit history and felt like a fool for even bothering to write this comment—it looks like this person is just a grump or a troll. I think the article is still current and will be for a while so long as we continue to update it.

Fwiw, Horie and a few others have been removed from their positions of authority, and a new man from a subsidiary previously owned by Sony has been named president. One of the mid-day TV news programs characterized today as Livedoor's first day "wearing a proper suit and tie." Anyhow, the company is moving to get back to and get on with business. Despite the characterizations in the (almost by definition hostile) Japanese broadcast media, Livedoor is not just a Japanese Enron—its mainstay is the provision of real products and services. HTH, Jim_Lockhart 03:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Failed business?

As of today, liverdoor is still a viable business (i.e., it has not "failed" in the usual sense of the word), and it does not necessarily fulfill the other definitions mentioned in the definition at List of notable business failures. It is, in fact, viable enough a company that the owner of Usen has put up his own money to buy a large stake. (This and several other events have not be added to the article.) HTH Jim_Lockhart 08:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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News division

How reliable would news.livedoor.com be as a source? Is it still basically just a blog? Any editors? I noticed that this article from comicbook.com (no idea if that is a good source either) cited this tweet which used this article as a source, but not sure how much stock to put in its details. ScratchMarshall (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Choose Yen or Dollars

Under the "Sale" section, the offer price and sale price are listed in billions of Dollars and billions of Yen, respectively. This is a little misleading, and one or the other should be converted to maintain consistency. Dollar value makes sense on the English page, but it was a Japanese company, and the deal was likely made in Yen, so either are valid, but having both is confusing. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 08:18, 26 December 2022 (UTC)