Talk:List of recipients of the Star of Courage

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Large "quotes"

As a general question, how much can we 'quote' from a site before it becomes plagiarism? Generally, in an academic work, or in something wishing to be that rigorous, shouldn't we paraphrase large sections of other people's work rather than pulling hundreds of words verbatim?

Where the quoted work is poorly worded or suffers from poor grammar, should we not re-phrase?

Aren't we trying to create something of which the world can be proud? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.4.236.211 (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Plagiarism is seldom an issue for a list. Quote the citation in full but include a reference. For citations, first try the gg website, then the ABA website and then It’s an Honour. Citations are often poorly worded but should stand as written but in egregious circumstances include a note drawing attention to the spelling or the grammar. Anthony Staunton (talk) 05:54, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

It is currently not at all clear that these large sections are quotes. I've added an editorial note at the top of the page, but it really should be made more clear to readers that the text in the "Notes" field is from elsewhere. This would also keep future editors from fixing the many errors and style discrepancies therein (like I did in error). I can't get itsanhonour.gov.au/ to load and have too much on my plate to sort this out, but am hoping someone else can make the page more clear. Thanks. Jessicapierce (talk) 17:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a problem with the notes. Some are full citations, some are abbreviated citations, some are notes and some are blank. In recent years awards have not been gazetted and it needs to be made clear which awards were gazetted and which were not. Readers should be informed of the origin of the text in the ‘notes’ field. It’s an honour has moved to https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/its-honour. While it is a brilliant source it is not a primary source. In addition, the citations are usually one-line citations. The primary source until awards ceased being gazetted is the Commnwealth of Australian Gazette. It is online but only has the name of the recipient. Today, it is best to use https://www.gg.gov.au/australian-honours-and-awards/australian-honours-lists for the media releases with full citations. Let’s keep the full citations, note if it is an abbreviated citation and move other notes to references. Once that is done rename the heading ‘notes’ to ‘citations’. I will let you know when I have made a few changes, but it will take a little time to make it consistent. Anthony Staunton (talk) 07:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

List Consistency

I started working on this list to fix a few problems with dead links. As I went, I decided it could do with a major restructure/cleanup (for example as per the discussion above about Notes and Citations. I have made some changes and updated a number of links etc, but it occured to me that it would make a lot more sense for me to write a Lua Module (with corresponding templates) and create a "database" to hold all the data on the awards in one place and in a structured format, then use the template/Lua module to extract that data and display it in a constructive and consistent manner.

One of the advantages of that would be the ability to place a template on a page with something as simple as (for example) {{AusAwards|Award=SC|Format=Table}} or something like that which would reproduce this table in the format that is decided as appropriate by consensus. If that is done, then the same is applicable for all the other awards, for example just replacing the "Award=SC" with "Award= BM" for the Bravery Medal (Australia) or any other award in the database.

I'm quite keen to tackle this but before I do I need to know I'm not going to be immediately attacked and my work reversed if I do???

For interest, you might want to look at Module:MasterGunner for something similar I have done. Module:MasterGunner/data for the data and Template:MasterGunner for a simple template. An example of that use is {{#invoke:MasterGunner|GunnerTable}} because it wasn't intended for the list to be used anywhere other than the Documentation page of the Template (although it could be). For an example of using a single record of the data from the database in a template, see {{MasterGunner|code=A72}} which gives

Master Gunner: 72
Brigadier General Chris H. Roux
Year: 2001
←71: Colonel Maarten A. Schalekamp	Colonel F.J. Breytenbach :73→

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Please let me know if this is something that would stand if I did it and I will get started. BoonDock (talk) 23:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Replying to myself just to point out that "silence is consent".. ;-) BoonDock (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Started the Module.

BoonDock (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Notes

References

Hello BoonDock, I've just come across your proposal while checking what has been addressed to achieve consistency -- and even alphabetising -- in the list of recipients. I also read Anthony Staunton's comments.

It's such a pity to see a nil response to your excellent suggestion, which I fully support. SCHolar44 (talk) 08:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)