Talk:List of footballers with 500 or more goals/Archive 3

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2022

2600:4040:2BC0:4300:4808:84FB:370F:A7A6 (talk) 08:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

This page needs an update.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 💜  melecie  talk - 09:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

All I would like is for the Stats to be updated and perhaps a couple columns after total, "Champions League," "Single Club," "Assists," "Headers," maybe, "Highest scoring game." Those don't really need to be added but I would like the page updated. The extra stats after the real list would be interesting. The additional columns aren't really necessary.

Updated stats as of November 3rd. 2022 are

C. Ronaldo - ( League-498, Cup-53, Continental-150, Country&Other-117, Total-818)

L. Messi -- ( League-487, Cup-71, Continental-137, Country&Other-90, Total-785)

R. Lewandowski( League-407, Cup-45, Continental-98, Country&Other-10, Total-560)

Z. Ibrahimovic( League-405, Cup-43, Continental-57, Country&Other-5, Total-510)

L. Suarez, Ect. (I don't feel like updating all these if its not going to do anything.) TheDec3000 (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Jimmy jones 833 was not corrected to 809 with all those one sided corrections that are going on at this site is a shame.

Make the corrections now and fair. Not make things up. 2600:4040:A402:EB00:1562:2959:3BCC:53AF (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Source? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

RSSSF list of top-level matches

RSSSF has this list for top level matches only. It is basically in agreement with IFFHS. There are only 6 players present on one version but not on the other. Top 7 players coincide on both versions. I propose replacing here the RSSSF list of official matches with their list of official top-level matches.--Maxaxa (talk) 02:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

• i partially agree with your opinion. i would have another option: add rsssf best goalscorers all-time (official matches - top level) and, in the same time, keep rsssf best goalscorers all-time (official matches - all levels). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patagonia41 (talk • contribs) 11:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

• Hello!

I strongly disagree with this, as long as the title is "List of footballers with 500 or more goals" and not "List of footballers with 500 or more goals in the top level", however obviously an additional section can be made in the article for RSSSF's top-level matches only, as well as for other filtered smaller lists of RSSSF's "Prolific Scorers Data" publication. The issue in the article is deeper than that though, which is that RSSSF has been given the same status as newspapers and other media outlets to not be considered a primary source, while at the same time those newspapers, et c. have been given so much significance, both football importance and statistical significance (?), to back up IFFHS' ranking, which both make no sense. In addition, as I have previously said (see archived discussions here), FIFA most likely will never release such a list, but, if they do, it would be in all probability coming from RSSSF's statistics, like it once happened for Josef Bican's numbers. However, as WP works with a consensus, so, apparently, if most editors like the layout this article has, it's fine by me, even though I think this article is totally useless anymore, especially because of no updating unless RSSSF and IFFHS do so, which both update once or twice per year, and, as the rankings in this article are identical to their lists, without allowing intermediate updates and corrections from other reliable sources, there is no use in having this article at all in my humble opinion, and all these previously said are the reasons why I have stopped contributing to this article.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 13:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Change Lewandowski Goals

Update the number of goals scored for Lewandowski he will rise up the table. 2405:201:D015:10C9:E0CB:9E99:B3BE:D350 (talk) 09:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Source? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2022

the goal figures are not accurate. please revise. Messi has more goals for international than you have. 80.47.130.142 (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Source? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Update Top Goal scorer list!

I have attempted to update the "List of footballers with 500 or more goals," page. Using data taken from iffhs.com, talksport, https://www.messivsronaldo.app/, and ESPN. You can see that Ronaldo has scored 818 goals total (117 international goals, 141 Champions League goals, 498 league goals, 53 Cup goals, and 150 Continental goals bringing him to a total of 818 goals.) You can also see that Messi has 785 goals total (90 international goals, 129 Champions League goals, 487 league goals, 71 Cup goals, and 137 Continental goals brining him to a total of 785 goals.) All of the data lines up and corroborates, I don't understand why someone keeps taking down the updates. It is also easy to find that Robert Lewandowski's stats are out of date.

https://globehour.com/how-many-goals-has-robert-lewandowski-scored/ puts Lewandowski at 597 goals from (July 14 2022)

https://www.transfermarkt.com/robert-lewandowski/nationalmannschaft/spieler/38253 puts Lewa at 587 goals. (I have not tried to update Lewandowski because I cannot find accurate information on him.) Zlatan Ibrahimović's goals are also out of date. TheDec3000 (talk) 23:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I think the answer will be reliable source. I have the impression that you only have a reliable source when there is a list like iffhs (2 times a year). But I also know of the existence of the list of Talksport. But I guess that is not official enough.. Maybe someone else can explain this better??Sportfan82 (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Why was IFFHS determined the premier source for football statistics? Surely transfermarkt or other pre-existing wiki pages are more accurate? Why can't a cross-reference between wiki pages be used? Rlaskarzewski (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Nope, none of them is reliable, please check WP:USERGENERATED. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

IFFHS is not the only reliable source of football statistics, there are many other sources that are just as reliable and updated much more frequently. These statistics aren't even up to date with IFFHS's stats.

https://www.iffhs.com/posts/2203 ---->Puts Ronaldo at 699 and Messi at 690 club goals as of Oct. 3rd. (That's Club only.)

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cristiano-ronaldo/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/8198 ---and--- https://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/saison/ges/plus/0 ---->Puts Ronaldo at 701 and Messi at 695 senior club goals as of November.

https://www.messivsronaldo.app/ ----> Puts Ronaldo at 701 senior club goals and Messi at 695 senior club goals (With records of EVERY Match).

This one is the one to look at (messivsronaldo.app) it has all the records of evert match with times and how they scored, key passes, runs, EVERYTHING. Here is the link, https://www.messivsronaldo.app/match-histories/ronaldo-match-history/

https://messi.starplayerstats.com/en ----> Puts Messi at 788 goals in 999 matches and Ronaldo at ... etc. TheDec3000 (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

TransferMarkt isn't reliable. Random Messi and Ronaldo websites aren't reliable, and only focus on those players so is practically useless. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Ronaldo and Messi wiki pages have all the correct numbers with the sources linked. It's ridiculous how long it's taking to fix this in this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.97.167.18 (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipdeia is user-generated and therefore can't be used a source. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 07:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The admins of this page are a joke, to the point that the stats are months behind and making the page useless. Transfermarkt is a reliable source for goals, don't expect FIFA to do that job for you so the official reference will be the unofficial site that most people agree with. And as some other users said, all the cross references can confirm that too. Here are the numbers as of Dec 17 to save you the trouble. Ronaldo: 497 51 150 115 813 -> 498 51 152 118 819. Messi: 480 70 133 81 764 -> 487 71 137 96 791. Maybe the admins are a Ronaldo fan that want to block any sound edit in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernestwp (talk • contribs) 09:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Since when was TransferMarkt a reliable source? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:09, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

You are relying on an IFFHS article from June when there have been several articles on the same website with updated numbers already. So you are not being faithful to your own sources. The beauty of the wiki is that one can post the best possible source until a consensus is made that some other source is better. IFFHS is arguably not the best, for once, because they don't have open access to their database for other people to use and it's all relying on delayed articles that their editors post there. Also, the fact that it comes from an official entity doesn't implicitly makes it the best. Even one could question things that come from UEFA. The power of the wiki is to have us all work for the best instead of bowing to a few professionals in official entities that might screw up. Also, for goals stats is super easy to reach a consensus. Much easier than if you were collecting assists for instance where there are more divergences (Opta seems to be the best agreed source for that). But, when it comes to goals you just need to cross reference the top 10 best stats sites on the web and you will see that they just might differ by one or two goals or not even that. In short, having 10 stats sites cross referenced and up to date to the last minute (even if they are personal sites) give you a much better result than an "oficial" site which is proved to give delayed stats and where you can't cross reference mistakes they can make. The opposite approach, which is the one you are taking, is taking away the power of a wiki where the edits of a community give better results than just copy paste from an official site. Ernestwp (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Nobody has proffered a solution to the table beside the IFFHS link. If you can find the articles on the aforementioned website with updated numbers, please post them. Privately cross-referencing websites is not a solution. I don't care if a site is "official", I care if it reliable. TransferMarkt isn't, Wikpedia isn't, and Wikipedia users certainly aren't. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Before I can provide you with any links, can we agree on what's a reliable website for you? if you don't care about being official I can tell you that some of the maintainers of the aforementioned sites (messivsronaldo.app, whoscored, opta, etc) are more dedicated, neutral and accurate than official sites. What makes you think that transfermarkt is less reliable than iffhs? If we agree on this then we can stop going in circles. Ernestwp (talk) 09:42, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Goals aren't being updated

Why is this page not being constantly updated??? I mean Messi literally scored two goals yesterday in the FIFA World cup Final, but Kesha will start ask for a source. This is absolutely ridiculous 🤣 HMD 1315 (talk) 14:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Source? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEWqfP6V_w

Watch this video, this is the finals of the FIFA World Cup 2022 which took place yesterday. It was between Argentina and France. Messi scored two goals.

https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/match-centre/match/17/255711/285077/400128145?competitionEntryId=17

This is the official fifa site which also shows the result of yesterdays match.

If you don't believe me after this, this page is definitely just a prank page. 2C0F:F4C0:308F:C9B8:99BC:DB5D:5B24:6D19 (talk) 20:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I really think you live under a rock Kesha. The entire world watched the World Cup Final yesterday, millions of people throughout the world watched the match and saw that Messi scored two goals. You probably watched the match too but choose to be this ignorant. Do me a favour, put the Television on and watch the match, or even better, go and google the highlights of the game yourself and you'll see who scored.

The person who previously commented on this thread has posted some reliable sources as well. That person literally posted content from the official Fifa YouTube channel and website respectively. I suggest you give it a look. If you call Fifa unreliable, then something is really wrong with you, as they are literally the hosts of the World Cup. Why would they lie about who is scoring in their games ?

But since you believe IFFHS is the most reliable source , follow this link which shows Messi has scored 2 goals in yesterday's final : https://www.iffhs.com/posts/2410

Regards HMD 1315 (talk) 21:06, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

So he has only scored two goals since June? And none of the other four active players have scored any? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

My point was that he is the most recent scorer and this page is still not being updated. And you actually proving my point exactly, all the other active players have also been scoring and you not updating this page. Why is that ? HMD 1315 (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I mean, have you read the comments I've made on this page. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

So when will you start updating the figures?Because the new 2022/2023 season has already started 4 months ago. And all the active players have been scoring in their respective leagues. You can literally go to the respective official league websites to see match highlights, you can also go to UEFA to see match highlights as well. HMD 1315 (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

So, according to you, I'm expected to watch match highlights from five leagues, plus internationals, and count the goals, covering a period of four-plus months All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm just genuinely trying to suggest ways to make this page more accurate and relevant. Because at the moment this page is really irrelevant if someone had to Google the top scorers in football history, because it's not being updated with the latest tallies.

So according to you, IFFHS tallies are the most reliable source/s. Let me just pose this scenario to you.

What happens if they only update their goal tallies in 2024? And what happens if the active players break goal scoring records in 2023? This page will remain outdated for one whole year because it's still going to reflect the old figures. People would now go to other sources cause they are being constantly updated. What happens if Ronaldo reaches the 900 goal mark in 2023? Other internet sources, Television and social media will only be celebrating and presenting this achievement, but unfortunately this page won't, because they are still waiting for IFFHS. I hope you try to see the point I'm making

HMD 1315 (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

When did I say IFFHS were the most reliable? Please don't make stuff up. I've already suggested way, well the only way - reliable sources! All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Well you do come across as IFFHS is the most reliable, I mean the table is literally a copy and paste from their website lol.

But regardless this site is outdated, that's why I'm suggesting other ways forward.

I'm not asking you to go watch the match highlights of all the leagues. You can literally go to the official websites of all the leagues the active players are in i.e. Premier league, La Liga, Bundesliga etc., and see all the goals they scored in the 22/23 season. That will literally take like 10 minutes to do. HMD 1315 (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't create the table, in fact I was the one who added the request for multiple source at the top of the section, again, stop making things up that haven't been said nor implied in any way. If it will take 10 minutes to do, do it and we can see if it's the way forward. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Goal statistics and data has been updated

Based on the latest data from IIFHS, Transfermarkt, and other statistical and mass-media sports-related sources, there has now been an update on the goal statistics as of 21 December 2022.

The statistics will now be updated more regularly, as the data becomes outdated and irrelevant fairly quickly and there are enough reliable sources on the matter to input information more often than twice a year. Mazedriver (talk) 16:44, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Transfermarkt lol All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Footystats seems to be absolutely nonsense as well, Ibrahimovic for example has 367 (8+17+11+31+23+28+61+28+36+35+35+8+21+25) according to their statistics. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

The point of quoting sites like Transfermarkt was to show the number of goals scored in the most recent season, since the previous stats were as of 5 June 2022, just before the beginning of the season. Ibra has been injured since then, so his stats are up to date 100%. Mazedriver (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I mean you may have used unreliable sources for the most part but this is the idea I've been trying to formulate in my head for months but to no avail, thank you for providing a second pair of eyes this article and not just trying to post original research. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Can somebody update the RSSSF statistics?

Well probably both statistics from both agencies. Come on June and July ????? 2600:4040:A402:EB00:6F:4D36:BF6:CB74 (talk) 23:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

• the iffhs and other media outlets table can be updated with the help of reliable sources, but rsssf table can only be updated with rsssf source, because it is a table dedicated only to that source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patagonia41 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

  i updated rsssf table after the last post of rsssf. Patagonia41 (talk) 12:23, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

updating the rsssf table

i want to update the informations in the rsssf table and i would like to ask a question to the more experienced users who have a good knowledge of the wikipedia rules. can the informations in the rsssf table be updated using other sources or must it be updated only with an rsssf source? thank you! Patagonia41 (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

If people insist on their being a separate table solely for RSSSF data, the only sources can be RSSSF. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

thank you for the informations. Patagonia41 (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Off topic!

My apologies for this off topic, but I'm just wondering. If Ronaldo goes to Saudi Arabia, will those goals that he probably will score - count for 'goals scored at the highest level?? Is the Saudi Arabia league the highest level??? Does anyone know?

(I am personally sad that this will be the final chapter of a great career - I was hoping for a final chapter in Portugal!)

Sportfan82 (talk) 13:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Depends what the reliable sources say. Some reliable sources include Gerd Muller's goals in lower division/s, reliable sources include goals of Eusebio in Mozambique, Pele and Eusebio in the NASL, so I don't really see why they wouldn't include any goals scored in the Saudi league. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 15:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. I think there are two tables in this section. One for all goals and one for all goals in "Top Level Football". There are 211 national associations in FIFA, most of them don't even have statistics. The criteria on which this table is updated needs to be clarified. Thanks. Nicolas.lever (talk) 18:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Definition of "top-level professional football competitions"

There is no clear definition of what this means. The count includes first division but also domestic cups which often include teams of different divisions within each country. Instead of saying "According to the IFFHS and other media outlets..." the text should explain that this is a definition from the iffhs. Nicolas.lever (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

from my point of view, the definitions are quite clear. iffhs considers that top-level competitions includes: 1. league goals - national leagues (top divisions) plus relevant regional leagues (taken in account only having the strength comparable to national league; campeonato carioca and campeonato paulista for romário, pelé and roberto dinamite, lisbon championship for peyroteo, oberliga nord for seeler); 2. cup goals - national cups plus other relevant domestic tournaments (torneio rio-são paulo etc.); 3. continental goals - international club competitions; 4. country and other - national team plus other relevant selections (state or league selections, final tournaments of olympic games until 1988). is not only definitions from iffhs, because other media outlets like worldfootball.net, skysports.com, fourfourtwo.com, etc have the same definitions, specifying the same number of goals as iffhs. Patagonia41 (talk) 22:18, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not clear in the wiki and it's not clear in general. What are "relevant national leagues"? how did they decide what is "relevant"?. Also "having strength comparable to national league", how did they measure "strength"? My edits are valid and you keep reversing them. The reader should know that this rankings are highly subjective and not from reliable sources. Is your intention to have a good wikipedia page about goalscoring counts or to cheer Ronaldo? Nicolas.lever (talk) 13:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

i don't have the same opinion as you. from my point of view, the details are very clear. iffhs didn't mention anything about „relevant national leagues” like you wrote, but they mentioned about „national leagues (top divisions)” and „relevant regional leagues”. there is no point in asking me how they decide what is „relevant” or how did they measure „strength”, because i don't work for this company. iffhs is not a reliable source? skysports is not a reliable source? as.com is not a reliable source? worldfootball.net is not a reliable source? but in what capacity do you speak to determine which source is reliable? what are the reliable sources in the world of football in your opinion? is your intention to have a good wikipedia page about goalscoring counts or to discredit ronaldo? there are many sources that indicate that cristiano ronaldo is the top goalscorer of all time in top-level competitions. ex: „https://www.iffhs.com/posts/1936”, „https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12961/12194018/cristiano-ronaldo-becomes-top-goalscorer-in-football-history”, „https://en.as.com/en/2021/01/21/videos/1611185299_247222.html”, „https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/cristiano-ronaldo/”. thank you! Patagonia41 (talk) 14:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

other sources: „https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/cristiano-ronaldo-goal-scoring-record-list-all-time-scorers/fgg5fejoho0duntnrcze2v7e”, „https://theathletic.com/4181429/2022/03/12/cristiano-ronaldo-becomes-all-time-top-scorer-in-professional-football/”, „https://www.globesoccer.com/winners/cristiano-ronaldo-top-goal-scorer-of-all-time-2021/”, „https://www.messivsronaldo.app/”.

i want to thank you for caring about this page and wanting to improve it, but please do not delete the work of people who worked on all the details. it is necessary not to lose our objectivity, even if we have favorite players. the first step in improving a wikipedia page is to write your intentions on the talk page, then the debate stage follows, and after discussions with the other users, in the case of a consensus, important changes can be made. thank you! Patagonia41 (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

bearing in mind that there are many sources that consider cristiano ronaldo is the top goalscorer of all time in top-level competitions, i corrected the expression under ronaldo's picture on the main page. now, it looks better. Patagonia41 (talk) 15:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't delete anything. I'm just asking that the article clarifies some things it says, include references and definitions. How does asking to include a reference (aka citation) discredit anybody? As I said, nothing we write on wikipedia is going to change the facts. You may succeed in misleading a few people about the certainty around the stats shown here or about how objective the definitions used for those stats are but the players' individual pages already have all the information so that won't do much. Therefore, iff this page is so important to you that you are willing to frantically delete a request for clarification over and over again, I won't try to improve the page anymore. Congratulations to you on controlling this wikipedia page but remember, Cristiano Ronaldo is not going to win the world cup no matter how hard you edit this. Nicolas.lever (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

i'm not trying to mislead anyone, i'm just trying to respect what reliable sources say. it is an error to think that i control this page, because no one can own a page. all wikipedia pages and articles are edited collaboratively by a community of volunteer contributors. what is the connection between cristiano ronaldo's goals and the world cup, like you wrote? we are discussing about the best scorers in history according to reliable sources, not about the world cup competition. you are free to come up with proposals for improvement on the talk page, but i ask you to be objective and respect the opinions of other users. please, don't be upset. thank you! Patagonia41 (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Erased the goal by Cristiano Ronaldo. That is not TOP level football.

Some people are cheating already. It should be taken down. 2600:1001:B01B:FA1D:1172:914E:5374:A30B (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean it isn't "top level football". Who is cheating? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I haven't found a formal definition of top level football. Regardless, the facts are the facts and the ranking is not about scoring in professional football but in "Top Level football competitions". Nobody can make a serious argument that the Saudi Professional League is a Top Level competition. You can change the table but you can't change the facts. If you truly believe that the Saudi league is top level, please explain here and if I agree with your argument I won't change it back. Nicolas.lever (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

saudi pro league is a top level competition, tier 1. any tier 1 championship from any country is considered a top level competition. why is the french championship considered a top level competition, and the saudi arabian championship not? i will show you what iffhs says about top-level championships: „NL+ = National Leagues (top divisions) plus relevant Regional Leagues (taken in account only having the strength comparable to national league; Campeonato Carioca and Campeonato Paulista for Romário, Pelé and Roberto Dinamite, Lisbon Championship for Peyroteo, Oberliga Nord for Seeler).” according to iffhs, saudi pro league is a national league (top division, tier 1). Patagonia41 (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually, iffhs has not commented on the saudi pro league. Nicolas.lever (talk) 21:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

league goals - „national leagues (top divisions) plus relevant regional leagues (taken in account only having the strength comparable to national league; campeonato carioca and campeonato paulista for romário, pelé and roberto dinamite, lisbon championship for peyroteo, oberliga nord for seeler)”. according to the definition given by iffhs, it is quite clear that saudi pro league is a national league (top division, tier 1), a top-level competition. Patagonia41 (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought any 1st league football counts under FIFA professional football? Saudi pro league is a 1st division league of that country and under FIFA branch. Should Bicans many goals in the Czech league also no longer count then?? He scored tons of his goals there and you are mad about Ronaldo’s 9 goals in Saudi 1st division??? Come on he’s proven him self at top 5 leagues already and Saudi pro league is still top flight 1st division football, just not a top ranked RANKED league. Yet funny enough it was Saudi Arabia the only team to beat Argentina in 2 years and a Saudi team that made it to the club World Cup final vs Real Madrid, and a crap Saudi xl that put 4 goals past psg…which even for a friendly is embarrassing. Just stop with the obsession and cheating claims please 2001:56A:F0E0:2F00:6CCE:2870:B3DA:DF11 (talk) 01:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Actually, you are right. I won't edit it back. I was under the impression that TOP level football included only a set of leagues and not all top division leagues. I do wonder if the 211 top division leagues in the world have reliable statistics. Maybe someone scored 3000 goals in the Guam football league and we don't know that. Nicolas.lever (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

for this reason it is important to take into account only reliable sources like iffhs and other media outlets, rsssf etc. reliable sources definitely know the number of goals scored. Patagonia41 (talk) 18:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How do you know that the iffhs knows the number of goals scored in the Guam 1st division football league? Nicolas.lever (talk) 19:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

we are talking about international federation of football, history & statistics (iffhs). in the world of football, iffhs is considered a major reliable source. i expect this institution to know the number of goals scored. Patagonia41 (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

That's your expectation, but what's the evidence? Nicolas.lever (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

the evidence is that all the articles on wikipedia are dependent on reliable sources. original research is not accepted. these are the wikipedia rules and we must respect them. Patagonia41 (talk) 20:43, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not evidence for the iffhs being able to accurately track all goals scored across all first division leagues in the world. Nicolas.lever (talk) 21:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

if you think that iffhs is not a reliable source, that's just your opinion. what are the reliable sources in the world of football in your opinion? Patagonia41 (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I dunno, I think if somebody was scoring 3000 in any league, whether it be Guam, the Scottish eighth division, the Bulgarian womens indoor league, somebody would know and it would be in a reliable source somewhere. 3000 is a big number. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Ronaldo’s goal total of 837

It shows Ronaldo’s goal total at 837, when if you’re adding his 18 goals for Portugal U-23,21, 19 teams etc..(the way one would add 2nd and 3rd division goals and Argentina U21 or whatever goals for Messi and other players, including Bican, then if adding those 18 goals for Portugal Under 24 etc teams to his senior career total of 828, then it should be 845 goals total. 208.98.223.41 (talk) 01:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

It has 828, not 837. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

IFHHS- using its definition

Al NASR is not top level football. Why count it????? 2600:4040:A402:EB00:B9D4:2732:7A70:2421 (talk) 02:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

the competitions in saudi arabia (saudi professional league, king cup and saudi super cup) are considered top-level competitions in the opinion of the iffhs (https://www.iffhs.com/posts/1936, see abbreviatures list on bottom of the page) and worldfootball.net (https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/cristiano-ronaldo/). Patagonia41 (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

that organization is not counting his goals from Al-Nassr. 2600:1001:B103:A9D5:69E3:A5ED:F27B:D823 (talk) 21:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

New IFFHS List!

There is a new update of the IFFHS list! And there are a few differences with this list. What shall we do with that? The number of goals of Suarez are not the same and they do mention (with a side note!) Erwin Helmchen 769 goals.

What do the regulars think?

Sportfan82 (talk) 07:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

hello! thank you for the information! i am of the opinion that the table must be modified according to the latest update from iffhs, considering the entire configuration of the table. i'll be back in a few hours with an update and i'll wait for you to tell me your opinion. Patagonia41 (talk) 22:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

i modified the article according to the last update of iffhs (8 april 2023). Patagonia41 (talk) 09:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

For what reason have you reduced Suarez's total? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

according to the latest update from iffhs (https://iffhs.com/posts/2670). in the post from iffhs, there is no goal scored by suarez in the regional league (gaucho championship). you can see the post. it is the information of the iffhs, it does not belong to me. 364 goals scored in national leagues + 44 goals scored in national cups (38 goals scored in major national cup + 6 goals scored in other national cups) + 53 goals scored in international club competitions + 68 goals scored for national team = 529 goals scored in top level competitions. Patagonia41 (talk) 12:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

i noticed that the iffhs don't take into account the goals scored in the "gaucho championship" (regional league) by suarez, but they took into account the goals scored in the regional leagues by pele, romario, abe lenstra, peyroteo, uwe seeler and roberto dinamite.

abbbreviature from the iffhs post: „RL = Regional Leagues (taken in account only having the strength comparable to national league; carioca and paulista for romário, pelé and roberto dinamite, lisbon championship for peyroteo, oberliga nord for seeler, netherlands north for lenstra)”.

it means that the gaucho championship is not as important as the other regional leagues in brazil or other countries.

what is your opinion? Patagonia41 (talk) 12:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

luis suárez case:

iffhs update from 5 june 2022 (https://www.iffhs.com/posts/1936): 356 goals scored in national leagues + 43 goals scored in national cups + 53 goals scored in international club competitions + 68 goals scored for national team = 520 total goals.

iffhs update from 8 april 2023 (https://iffhs.com/posts/2670): 364 goals scored in national leagues + 44 goals scored in national cups (38 goals scored in major national cup + 6 goals scored in other national cups) + 53 goals scored in international club competitions + 68 goals scored for national team = 529 total goals.

conclusion: in the interval between 5 june 2022 and 8 april 2023, iffhs took into account 8 goals scored in uruguay national league + 1 goal scored in brazil cup = 9 goals; iffhs did not take into account 7 goals scored in regional league (campeonato gaúcho) + 3 goals scored in regional supercup (recopa gaúcha). Patagonia41 (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

But it's not an IFFHS list. Their list should only be used as a guide, not the be-all-and-end-all. Suarez didn't suddenly not score six goals in Brazil. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Why 2 different table here?

Here are two different table that came from two sources (IFFHS & RSSSF). The 2 table gave two different number about the same event. If IFFHS's one is reliable then the RSSSF's isn't. If RSSSF's reliable then the IFFHS's isn't. This is a report about the same event so it cannot have more than one answer. Its not about the methodology, its about the fact. So I want to know which one is reliable. If it is because of cannot decided which is more reliable, then why its only has two table here but not more? In fact is there are so many different table all over the world. Why chosing this two when you cannot even decide which is more reliable? 田多光 (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Explanation is in the opening section. Maxaxa (talk) 10:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023

I Would like to update the goal tally's for Lewandowski and others Jack Moran 123 (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Zlatan Ibrahimovic is still alive

Name is not written in bold Emirydmr (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Players are shown in bold because they are still active as players. Zlatan is retired (and happily very much alive) so is not in bold ColchesterSid (talk) 10:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2023

move "total" column to the location after "players name" column. That is more natural. 89.160.214.202 (talk) 23:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. As per consistency convention, the total column is normally positioned at the end and/or near the end of the table. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Misleading title

Request that title be changed to “list of male footballers with 500 or more goals” since that is what is shown in the article. 83.252.165.234 (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2023

Ronaldo scored 813 just now. Futebolfan1202 (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

sorry 841 lol Futebolfan1202 (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done —⁠PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 20:10, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

RSSSF just founded in 1994

Xoxo, SanktGerard 18:22, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

I think we don't need RSSSF record here. They are not transparent, unreliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiSanktGerard (talk • contribs) 18:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Messi - 71 Goals

Messi should now have 79 goals in cup competitions

56 Copa del Rey 14 Supercopa 1 Trophée des Champions 8 Leagues Cup

they have been added to overall total but not specific segments. 82.15.152.68 (talk) 10:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

leagues cup is a international club competition played between clubs from different countries, not a domestic cup competition played between clubs from same country. Patagonia41 (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

the 8 goals scored by messi in the leagues cup were added to 'total' column (overall total) and to 'continental' column (specific segment). Patagonia41 (talk) 23:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Cup then should be specified as domestic cup competitions.

they should also be a separate section for super cup.

Cup competitions would include national cup, league cup, super cup and intercontinental cups so long as they are not continental or worldwide club championships. 82.15.152.68 (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Let IFFHS update their stats first. Eduardo2024 (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Arab Club Cup goals

It seems like the website in reference 58 had been updated and no longer include stats from the Arab club cup. The goal tally should be updated to 838. 2A02:14F:1F6:8B60:0:0:8697:9739 (talk) 20:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I don’t get it

fifa recognized these goals as the tournament is played under FIFA rules 2001:56A:F47D:B400:8522:DC42:55B3:3562 (talk) 06:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

IFFHS

@ItsKesha We are giving the stats as per IFFHS in this page, we must wait for IFFHS to update their stats in their officcial website before giving it here. Many users updating the stats here based on third party websites, not IFFHS. Eduardo2024 (talk) 11:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Nope, it's a specifically titled a "list of footballers with 500 or more goals", it's not a "list of players with 500 goals according to IFFHS". All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree the list is quite right, thanks. BTW is it necessary to add that "single source" tag? Eduardo2024 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes because most of the list is based on a single source. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Transfermarket says the same, is it reliable as per wiki? Eduardo2024 (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

No. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

So worldfootball.net is reliable but transfermarket is not, why? Eduardo2024 (talk) 18:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Transfermarkt is user-generated and anybody can edit it, therefore it isn't reliable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Eduardo2024 (talk) 08:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Transfermarkt misinterpreted the Saudi pres meaning on friendly tournament when they decided to remove the Saudi champions cup goals and assists as official, the translation is even though it seems like a friendly tournament…and FIFA already recognized the tournament and goals scored in Saudi champions cup as official as it is played u see FIFA rules. 2001:56A:F47D:B400:8522:DC42:55B3:3562 (talk) 06:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

They also did this immediately after the old man’s misinterpreted words even though FIFA recognized tournament as official and of course in spite to Al nassr and Ronaldo winning the trophy who less than a few mo the prior blocked transfermarkt for devaluing his worth and they acknowledged him blocking them 2001:56A:F47D:B400:8522:DC42:55B3:3562 (talk) 06:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Source where FIFA recognized this tournament? Eduardo2024 (talk) 06:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo HAS 847 GOALS, NOT 841.

Please, don’t let anybody edit the Football stats. 187.205.170.106 (talk) 13:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

It is he actually has 847 as it’s an officially fifa recognized tournament therefore you are correct it should be 847 2600:1012:B1C2:530C:6D94:F835:115A:CFD9 (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2023

There is a player who scored 90+ goals from India for country who is not in this chart 103.175.136.116 (talk) 02:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 03:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

August 27 2023

Cristiano Ronaldo hat 847 Tore und nicht 841 Tore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel 987hh (talk • contribs) 08:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐚𝐥𝐬

𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐚𝐥𝐬 49.204.135.58 (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Recent Incorrect Corrections

Cristiano Ronaldo has 873 senior goals.

5 for Sporting CP, 118 for Manchester United, 450 for Real Madrid, 101 for Juventus, 27 for Manchester United, 44 for Al Nassr, and 128 (senior) goals for Portugal - this gives the correct figure of 873. Youth goals for Portugal and friendly goals for clubs are not included in this figure.

Lionel Messi has 821 senior goals.

672 for Barcelona, 32 for PSG, 11 for Inter Miami, and 106 (senior) goals for Argentina - this gives the correct figure of 821.

For some reason this table was recently changed to give incorrect figures (higher for Messi, lower for Ronaldo). This is no calculation that can accurately result in these figures. Contemporaryclassicalmusicfan (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow, somebody is very quick at editing! Already been fixed - thanks. Contemporaryclassicalmusicfan (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Ronaldo has 877 goals now.

Ronaldo has 877 goals now. 187.212.129.82 (talk) 23:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Gerd Müller -- 14 League Cup/domestic tournament goals (12x DFB Ligapokal; 2x ???)

https://iffhs.com/posts/2670
IFFHS all-time goal-scorers ranking - Apr 8, 2023

unfortunately I could not deduce for me how the 14 goals at Gerd Muller at the OC (other domestic club tournaments) come about. 12 goals result from the DFB-Ligapokal 1972/73, the other two goals I can not explain.I would be very grateful for any clarification.

Overall: 634 goals
NL: 405 [365x Bundesliga (GER), 40x NASL (USA)]
NC: 78 [78x DFB Cup]
OC: 14 [12x DFB-Ligapokal, 2x ???]
MIC: 69 [34x European Cup, 20x Cup Winners Cup, 11x Fairs Cup/UEFA Cup, 3x UEFA SC, 1x Intercontinental Cup]
NT: 68 (68x National Team)
Miria~01 (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Miria~01: Hello! I also wonder where these extra goals come from. The only idea I could come up with is if there were any official matches back then against DDR-Oberliga teams, like a super cup for the whole Germany. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 08:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lorry Gundersen Even though it took a bit of time, after researching and finding a book with precise statistical information about the Bayern players, I want to inform you that the two goals were scored in the regional South German Cup 1964-65.

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