Talk:List of films considered the best/Archive 7

Ikiru

Didn't Roger Ebert call Ikiru the greatest Japanese film of all time? Is he not the right kind of source for this article? Also I believe the Berlin Film Festival gave it a special award as greatest of all time as well. (I'll see if I can find a source for Berlin, Ikiru's article says Ebert caled it Kurosawa's best, not sure if it was Japan's as well). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.153.107 (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Some basic guidelines to improve this page

Village Voice link is to a different list. this is the list you're talking of: http://www.filmsite.org/villvoice.html

Also include Moving Arts Film Journal list: http://www.themovingarts.com/100-greatest-movies-of-all-time/

Jackasses who made this a non-editable page, get to work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.252.55 (talk) 23:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Obviously, this is a difficult subject. As seen below, too many editors simply make a pitch for a personal favorite, in some cases totally inappropriate selections such as The Bourne Ultimatum or the remake of Scarface that no one with an extensive knowledge of film and its history would ever remotely entertain as a serious candidate for 'greatest film of all time.' To make this article useful in some way, a few suggestions:

• 1. Avoid any and all readers' polls. These tend to be no more than popularity contests/beauty pageants, and generally are heavily weighed toward whatever is the most recent and most-hyped. A reader's poll of 1940 would probably pick Gone With the Wind as the best film ever, while a 1960 poll would choose Ben-Hur with no mention of Gone With the Wind, a 1980 poll Star Wars with no mention of Gone With the Wind or Ben-Hur, a 2000 poll Titanic with no mention of Gone With the Wind, Ben-Hur, or Star Wars. Movies more than a few years old are generally outside the collective memory of people who contribute to readers' polls, making them unreliable to determine greatness over a stretch of time. Incorporating those polls into the article to illustrate this effect, however, would be useful.
  2. Reference to people who do know what they are talking about is very useful. Inclusion of the opinions by noted film historians such as David Bordwell or Robert Osborne, film directors such as Martin Scorsese and screenwriters such as Paul Schrader who have time and time again demonstrated a thorough understanding of film history and film aesthetics will only strengthen the article.
  3. Collation of critical polls and assessments by established authorities on film and film history, among them the American Film Institute, Sight & Sound, and Cahiers du Cinéma.
  4. There are some good websites. For instance, contrary to an opinion listed below, They Shoot Pictures Don't They is an excellent website. Anyone who knows film will recognize the basic rightness of its lists immediately.

There are some editors below who suggest deleting the article entirely. That might actually be the best course, but it still might also be possible to turn this article into something with merit, incorporating a historical overview of what constitutes the greatest film or films, how that might differ from the most popular films, and how that evolves over time.PJtP (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Dubious choice?

I see no point in including Enthiran. To me, this looks like a marketing gag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edfand (talk • contribs) 01:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed.134.58.253.55 (talk) 16:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Out of Place Entry

{{edit semi-protected}} The last entry in the science fiction section seems out of place, irrelevant, and personal. It has no source verifying that it is indeed considered a reputable movie. I thought it could at least be looked at for authenticity.

The line reads, "Enthiran.THE FIRST INDIAN HIGH BUDGET MOVIE."

98.212.172.61 (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Done Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 02:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Belgium: Dardenne Brothers

I cannot find the right citations on the web right now, but I guess the Dardenne brothers deserve a mention. They won two Palmes at Cannes, with L'Enfant (film) and with Rosetta (film). Geert Rinkel (talk) 14:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Grease ?

Grease is not on the list for musicals ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa (talk • contribs) 11:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It is articles exactly like this one that harms the credibility of Wikipedia.The article mentions vote stacking but WHERE is it?.whats the methodology.Standards are being severely breached here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.87.170 (talk) 02:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Pulp Fiction

Rotten Tomatoes has Pulp Fiction listed at 94% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pulp_fiction/) and calls it "One of the most influential films of the 1990s" and it won the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay, losing Best Picture to Forrest Gump which is another film that should probably be considered for this list. Wikipedia's own page on Pulp Fiction has a section on the film's influence and reputation with a lot of links to people independently verifying it's importance as a film. I would propose that Pulp Fiction be considered for inclusion on this list but also that there be a careful debate about what section the film is placed in. AtlasBurden (talk) 18:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Harry Potter

Entry: "Each Harry Potter film (2001-2010) has scored at least 78% on Rotten Tomatoes." So what??? Why does this make them one of "films considered the best"? --178.1.215.81 (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC) please add Unforgiven 1992 in the list of best Western movies and also Ondskan(evil) 2003 in the list of best of sweden movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.99.14 (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

1) If Harry Potter is the "highest grossing film series of all time" this don't means, that is a "good" film, but a "high grossing" film. 2) References about the quality of the film are non cited. So----> REMOVE Harry Potter from the list.

I think Harry Potter should be on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.214.205.156 (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Genre list / American Film Institute

The votes of the AFI are only about American films. These entries in section "Particular genres or media" all belong into the country section "USA".

The same with

" Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) A 2004 poll by UK arm of Amazon and the Internet Movie Database named Monty Python and the Holy Grail as the best British comedy picture of all time.[41]" --178.1.215.81 (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

What's Opera Doc?

Why is animated short in a list of the worlds greatest films? Is this a mistake or have you done this on purpose?-James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.129.194 (talk) 00:00, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Because a "short film" is a film.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 02:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, there are plenty of other "short films" besides cartoons, so you are potentially opening up the floodgates with that comment. BollyJeff || talk 12:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Ben-Hur

Surely Ben-Hur (1959 film) should be on the list! It should be added under the title Epic right next to The Battle of Algiers and Lawrence of Arabia.

Ben-Hur (or Benhur) is a 1959 epic film directed by William Wyler and starring Charlton Heston in the title role, the third film version of Lew Wallace's 1880 novel Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ. It premiered at Loew's State Theatre in New York City on November 18, 1959. The film went on to win a record of eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture, a feat equaled only by Titanic in 1998 and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2004.

Emphasis above is mine. Also: my opinion: Ben-Hur is a fantastic movie, one of the most epic of all time. The chariot race scene is one of the best of all time, as is the slavery/rowing scene. The movie is heart-wrenching, beautiful, and exciting. Also, there's a better moral to it than many of the stories also included in this "Best Movies" list: That revenge is not always worth it. Sometimes forgiveness is far stronger.

— a guy too lazy to register on WP...aka 99.59.26.3 (talk) 02:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

That's all nice, but can you cite some kind of list by critics or popular opinion saying that it's one of the best? BollyJeff || talk 03:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done

Birth of a Nation?

The wiki page for Birth of a Nation has references to its influence, shouldn't it have a section below propaganda? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.107.165 (talk) 22:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed That film should definitely be on this list because of it's historical significance and innovation, even if it is ridiculously racist. It should just be under "Propaganda." It was on Roger Ebert's list of Great Movies, for one. Eclecticperson34 (talk) 04:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You should add "Come and See" to the best war films category. See the wikipedia entry of that movie for praise. The part I was going to include was: "Come and See was included in Channel 4's list of 50 Films to See Before You Die[9] and was ranked #24 in Empire magazines "The 100 Best Films Of World Cinema" in 2010". Thanks.

People, read the section titled "Basic guidelines for inclusion" at the top of this page. It says it must be listed as THE BEST. Really good, significant, top 10, etc. is not enough. BollyJeff || talk 12:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Duterrage, 16 June 2011

Typo： Hong Kong movie : internal affair (and not infernal affair)

Duterrage (talk) 02:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: It is Infernal Affairs GaneshBhakt (talk) 07:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 194.63.239.234, 19 July 2011

Hello from Greece, there is not country with name Macedonia! Macedonia is an area in Greece (since ancient time), not a country. THe name of the country near greek Macedonia is Skopia or FYROM.

194.63.239.234 (talk) 08:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: But there is a Republic of Macedonia which is what its referring to there. Jnorton7558 (talk) 09:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 184.18.198.234, 4 August 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

Spirited Away is the only anime film to have won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature 184.18.198.234 (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

 Not done Requests require a reliable source.  Chzz  ►  19:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Disaster Movies

Savellexsse (talk) 07:32, 7 August 2011 (UTC)savellexsse

“The Towering Inferno” (1974) is highly regarded as the best disaster movie from the heyday of the genre in the 1970s, as attempts at disaster movies from later decades often omitted what many consider to be a crucial component to qualify as a real disaster movie, namely an all-star cast of potential victims. Roger Ebert called the film “by far the best of the mid-1970s wave of disaster films.” Unlike producer Irwin Allen’s other highly regarded entry in the category (“The Poseidon Adventure”), “The Towering Inferno” was actually nominated for best motion picture at both the 1975 Academy Awards and the 1976 People’s Choice Awards, and won the best picture award at that year's "Your Choice for the Academy Awards" TV special.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs/dll/article?AID=/19740101/REVIEWS/401010322/1023

Pan's Labyrinth

ClovisPE (talk) 18:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

What about "Pan's Labyrinth" to be considered one of the best fantasy films ever? It has scored 98 out of 100 at metacritic. It is their highest scored film upon its original release. And the same site elected it one of the best films of the decade (2000-2009).

• http://www.metacritic.com/movie/pans-labyrinth
• http://www.metacritic.com/feature/film-critics-pick-the-best-movies-of-the-decade
• http://www.metacritic.com/feature/film-critics-pick-the-best-movies-of-the-decade

You know, it was actually on the list. It was under Mexico and Spain. In fact, it is Mexico's top rated movie on imdb. It was removed by Fortdj33 through a "cleanup". I'll ask him directly why he removed it, since it seems to deserve to be on the list. Cancerbero 8 (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

INCEPTION

I suggest listing Inception as one of the best sci-fi films as its been at the top of IMDB since months:

• http://www.imdb.com/chart/scifi

Its also been in the Top3 of all movies for a while and still is in the Top10 of all movies ever on IMDB votings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.116.20 (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I really think that this page should be deleted

This page has no verifiable encyclopedic content. Honestly, think of an encyclopedia, for example, the Encyclopedia Britannica. Would you really expect to find an article as immature and so heavily biased as "List of Films Considered The Best?". I find this article as definitely not belonging in an encyclopedia. At Wikipedia, we try to make an encyclopedia, not a jumbled up mass of gossip like "Which movie is the best?" Thanks. (Saadzmirza (talk) 01:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC))

Welcome to Wikipedia. We're NOT like Britannica. Our goal is to document the sum total of human knowledge, ranging from the important and truthful to the absurd and false, AS LONG AS it is notable and documented in reliable sources. The subjects here are notable and lots of reliable sources are used. You're going to have to find some arguments based on our policies to get this deleted, since it uses abundant reliable sources and is a very valuable source of information, especially for film groups and clubs. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Much information here has been cited and sourced to reliable parties, with 208 different sources used; it's hardly "immature" or "gossip". That not withstanding, there's always WP:AFD if you're so inclined, though I don't think the community is likely to side for deletion. Could be worth a shot if you're determined. GRAPPLE X 02:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you serious? I can find a bunch of reliable reviews saying Doom was a good film, but it doesn't make it so. Again, this list is against everything wikipedia stands for and needs to be removed. Not neutral nor balanced. --86.60.203.164 (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you find a bunch of reliable sources saying that it is "the best film ever"? That is the criteria for inclusion. BollyJeff || talk 01:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you define a "reliable source" for a subjective opinion, please? Who defines which opinions are reliable and which are not, and based on what reasoning? The process of choosing, is already on its own, subjective. --FnH (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Reliable source criteria is in WP:RS. Find any one that meets that, and says that Doom is the best film ever? BollyJeff || talk 14:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

You didnt understand a word I said, did you...--FnH (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Neither did you understand me. Anyway, forget about it. A brand new user doesn't come on here and act like this. You are most certainly a WP:sockpuppet. BollyJeff || talk 21:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you accusing me of being a sock puppet? I'm not a brand new user, I've been registered for years. --FnH (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

This is really just stupid

Yes, I am really surprised by the title. Before we start making list we should establish objective/independent criteria. What I see here is mainstream domination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8B36:8EC0:CC9B:CD88:DAA6:3BB4 (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Movies are an art and are completely subjective to personal opinion. it would be different if it were a list of car's considered to be the best; one could claim the that Bugatti Veyron is arguably the best car and reinforce their argument with information and comparisons of the cars mechanical components. However there is no criteria for a good movie and I think that this page should seriously be considered for deletion.121.208.68.3 (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

That's just as subjective. In fact more so. Cars aren't held to be the best ever of any one time or of all time, they're all so different. Movies are frequently compared, rated and ranks by experts -- A.K.A. film critics. This is much more well-known form of criticism, many people know film critics and film criticism is highly esteemed to movie-goers before selecting a movie to view. How many people can name a automobile critic? Besides, the movies on this list are cited and referenced to lists and reviews extolling them as being "the best". Your critique is baseless and your reasoning flawed. This is a worthwhile article. JesseRafe (talk) 07:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but he/she is right. Who decides which reviews and critics are most important, and based on what? This list does not meet the wiki standards, and looks like a big joke. What's next, a list of the best colours verified by colour experts.. There is no such thing as a reliable source for subjective opinion and personal tastes. A critic is a person who has an opinion, this doesn't make it a fact. Just stupid. --86.60.203.164 (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. This "article" is a disaster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.25.233.13 (talk) 00:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

You don't seem to get the point, this isn't movies considered best by Wikipedia. this is movies considered the best by reliable sources(Time magazine, Japan’s Agency for Cultural Affairs. IGN, Los Angeles Daily News via poll etc), those are well known sources who gave their own opinion on what they consider the best, it should be pretty obvious to know which critic source is well known enough for their opinion to be considered. --108.211.193.185 (talk) 06:39, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The most sweeping judgment in the whole article has zero references to back it up! How can this article state flatly: "The Sight & Sound accolade has come to be regarded as one of the most important of the "greatest ever film" lists....without a single reference to back it up? Maybe having a quote from Ebert is considered enough backup - but shouldn't the sentence then read "REGARDED BY EBERT AS the most important list"? What newspapers and magazines ever said this list is the most important? Shouldn't there be dozens of references for such a "widespread" belief???? N0w8st8s (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2015 (UTC)n0w8st8s

Titanic

I saw Titanic mentioned some time ago under Disaster section. Why is it no more? It is the movie considered the best. Looks like some hater removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.208.102.134 (talk) 14:00, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I know. Titanic definitely deserves to be on this list. But where? Limetolime ^{Talk to me • look what I did!} 17:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hoop Dreams

It really should be considered for the "documentary" section. It has a 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes[1]. Roger Ebert calls it "the great American documentary", and rated it the best movie (of any genre) of the 1990s.[2]. And it was added to the National Film Registry. -- Stormwatch (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 17 October 2011

Request you to remove the list of best in sports categories as per the source sportsinmovies.com. Reason is, we should not take a single source to find out the best in a single category.

Suggest you to include "The Hustler" (1961 - starring Paul Newman). For it is one of the best & highly acclaimed movie in sports genre. Also in the list of National film registry.

Dinesh84d (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

✗ Not done for the first. Please provide other sources since these are already sourced. Most entries have only one reference!

✗ Not done for the second, since you didn't provided any reference for that film. mabdul 11:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 December 2011

Macedonia is not a name of a country. The official name of the "Republic of Macedonia" according to UN is FYROM. You have to change that entry.

Supervisor7 (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Do not see a reason to change, not all are using the "official names" --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 January 2012

In South Korean list for best movies, I think you should add 4 more, which received almost 100% critical acclaim from critics, historians, audiences alike.

1) The Housemaid (Hanyo, 1960) - This film was considered a masterpiece above all else, and was regarded one of the best Korean films by Martin Scorsese, who helped restored the film via The Film Foundation.

2) The Peppermint Candy (Bakhasatang, 1999) - Contemporary classic film by Chang-dong Lee

3) Mandara (1981) - it's considered one of the best religious films directed by an experienced director Im Kwon-taek

4) The Day Pig Fell into the Well (Dwaejiga woomulae bbajin nal, 1996) - another contemporary classic film by the auteur Sang-soo Hong.

If you need a source for the list, please let me know. Thank you.

Andylee0427 (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. There's a backlog of requests like this at the moment, so source(s) would be greatly appreciated. It seems that to qualify for inclusion in this part of the list, a film should be considered the best from a country, not just a classic, and not just the best from a particular director, for example. Otherwise the list would become so large as to be unwieldy, and entries would be too subjective. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 15:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 January 2012

Please add Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_spain) to the list of Countries. Thank you. 83.33.18.150 (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

First, provide a source showing what Spanish movie is considered the best, according to the guidelines art the top of the article. BollyJeff || talk 12:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

98%???

Doesn't the Shawshank Redemption have an 80% or something on Rotten Tomatoe? Just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.159.125 (talk) 02:07, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

It has 90 for critics, but 98 for audience, and this is in the audience poll section. BollyJeff || talk 12:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Why have we gone with the audience reviews? Critics are 'reliable sources', random people are not 143.92.1.32 (talk) 03:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Das Boot

I'm missing Das Boot as best submarine movie of all time (http://www.reelviews.net/movies/d/das_boot.html) it should be listed. It scores 8.5 at IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/) which is only 0.1 below Apocalypse now (war movies) and 0.1 below M (German movies). 91.50.0.146 (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Night of the Living Dead

I know I might just sound like I want it on here because I am a fan, but I really do think it should be listed. I have seen it in the top fives of many horror lists, and the film really changed cinema with it's shocking content and casting choices. What do you think?--MaxOfTheDead (talk) 03:05, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion to the reader:Google search top zombie movies and this movie will probably have this as the number one. I might just help out some time. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 May 2012

In the "Religious" category, the entire text referring to The Island should be removed. The fact that The Island won a few Russian film awards in 2006 is hardly justification for classifying it among the best Religious Films ever made.

99.254.24.180 (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done - BollyJeff || talk 12:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Czech Film

There was a poll of Czech and Slovak film critics in 1998 to determine the best Czech/Slovak films ever made. This poll is referenced in the wikipedia article about Marketa Lazarova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketa_Lazarova), but the original link is dead. The link below, not a primary source, at least reports the results of the poll:

http://mubi.com/topics/czech-and-slovakia-critics-poll-of-over-100-best-films-up-to-1998-of-all-time

Marketa Lazarova (directed by František Vláčil, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketa_Lazarova) was voted the best Czech/Slovak film of all time, followed by The Shop on Main Street (directed by Ján Kadár and Elmar Klos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shop_on_Main_Street), All My Compatriots (directed by Vojtěch Jasný, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_My_Compatriots), The Fireman's Ball (directed by Miloš Forman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fireman%27s_Ball) and Intimate Lighting (directed by Ivan Passer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_Lighting).

The Czech Republic and Slovakia seem notably absent from the list of national cinemas, considering the long and rich filmmaking tradition of those countries.

99.254.24.180 (talk) 04:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done - BollyJeff || talk 12:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

IMDB Top 250

The IMDB Top 250 movies list is neither reliable nor notable, and should not be used as a source on this, or any other article. All references to it should be removed. ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 04:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The article is a joke anyway, so why not? If anything, it better reflects which films are liked by the public. Presenting a film as "the greatest of all time" because one or two critics say so, is laughable. Critics are people with subjective opinions, nothing more. Just another guy in a suit (talk) 04:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. MOS:FILM#Audience_response is quite clear that such sources shouldn't be used. I'd be okay with mentioning Shawshank being the top film on the Top 250, because I'm certain we could come up with a secondary source that mentions that. But everything else, without a secondary source, should be removed. It's just not a reliable source in any sense of the imagination.LM2000 (talk) 21:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

"The IMDB Top 250 movies list is neither reliable nor notable..." I do not care if the 250 is included or not, but the assertion that the IMDB Top 250 list is not "notable" is laughable. Verify with sources such as Alexa and Google searches. 187.207.93.31 (talk) 05:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

PLEASE DELETE

They're a lot of sections here that talk about deleting this page, and i think that it should. I mean, honestly, there is no way of actually figuring out "the best film". Critics don't know, andneither do we. And every time a critically praised film is released, people want to put it on here. It's redundant.--Norgizfox5041 (talk) 05:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Look at the top of this page where it says "This page was nominated for deletion". You will see that it has been nominated several times, including recently, and always the result is keep. PLEASE don't do it again. BollyJeff | talk 13:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Norgizfox5041, critics are just people with subjective opinions. This article simply presents a messy bundle of these opinions and has no encyclopaedic value whatsoever. Just another guy in a suit (talk) 04:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

PLEASE DELETE THE PLEASE DELETE

This talk page is more muddled than the article itself. A talk-page section asking for deletion when the talk-page itself directs users to read the prior nominations--and rejections--for deletion is completely unnecessary. This section has the same value as a discussion about the best brand of cheddar cheese. 187.207.93.31 (talk) 05:48, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Poland

The films mentioned don't deserve it more than some greater productions of Polish cinema as i.e. The Three Colors Trilogy of Krzysztof Kieślowski (popular at the time), but Poland has it's specific school of cinema (Munk, Has, Wajda, Polanski) and comedy (Chęciński, Chmielewski, Bareja, Machulski, Koterski), very influencing for the Warsaw Pact countries at least, and also a valuable yiddish cinema (Dybbuk) and children films (Pan Kleks). You should add some other films representable for the school- The Dybbuk (film), Kanał (film), The Saragossa Manuscript (film), Sami swoi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.181.43.59 (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The article isn't for films that are objectively best or most significant (that is beyond Wikipedia's competence) but for films that have been called best by influential critics or institutions. —Tamfang (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for entry in Comedy section

It came to my attention that the classic film Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy was not included on your list of comedies considered the best. Complex magazine named Anchorman the best comedy of all time a few years ago. In addition, I'm sure we can all agree that it's a fantastic movie.

Rocky

I remember Rocky being number one in one list of a sports genre list. I will see if I can find the website some time. It's normally in always in the number two spot behind Raging Bull. With it usually being in that territory and one time defeating Raging Bull I think it should definitelly be added. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Could this count? I got to say I am a bit surprised the movie ain't on there. It's like that sports section is missing an essential choice with the film not being on there. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems good enough to me. I'll go add Rocky to the article now. Jagged 85 (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 September 2012

avengers assemble was ranked number 2 on newsramas list of top 10 comic book moveie,with the dark knight trilogy coming first.here is a link so you can see for yourself http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-best-comic-book-movies-110625-1.html 109.151.124.95 (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. We were never really wrong. Originally the Avengers was number one but they changed it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:15, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like this has been Done so I'm closing the request. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Rocky 2

http://sportsinmovies.com/ This website is frequently cited, yet had Rocky as its #1 boxing movie, and #2 overall on the website. Rocky II and Rocky Balboa are also fairly high on the list. I suggest the citations be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.179.68 (talk) 15:42, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 March 2013

On this page you should put a section for movies based on or inspirerd by video games 174.58.22.73 (talk) 01:58, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

This might be a good suggestion. If you have any sources for getting a section started please post links here for consideration. -- Ninja Dianna (Talk) 02:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

There's no section for movies based on novels, TV shows, plays, or fairy tales, so why video games? There is a comic book section, but "superhero" is kind of becoming a subgenre. Ribbet32 (talk) 04:20, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 April 2013

The Avengers is listed as the best comic book/superhero movie for both RottenTomatoes and SFX. However, RottenTomatoes has updated that list and The Dark Knight is now number 1 and this can be confirmed by clicking the same link. IGN also updated their list of best comic book movies of all time [link]http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/25/igns-top-25-comic-book-movies?page=5[link]I would appreciate it if this change can be fixed as soon as it is convenient for you. Thank you. 76.100.66.48 (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Done — Bility (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 April 2013

I am surprised I did not see The Dark Knight Rises on your list of best superhero/comic book films despite the fact that it was selected by Forbes as the best superhero film of all time. [link]http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2012/08/22/the-new-top-20-best-comic-book-superhero-films-of-all-time-revised-edition/[link] 76.100.66.48 (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Already done — Bility (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 April 2013

The Shawshank Redemption holds a 90% approval rating at Rotten Tomatoes & not 98%. Please correct it. Source-http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/shawshank_redemption/ Sagnik Dutta Gupta (talk) 14:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Not done: 98% is the community score, as noted in the article text. — Bility (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2013

Der Lezte Mann means the last man, not the last laugh 65.130.196.241 (talk) 00:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. See the article The Last Laugh, which shows that the film had a different title in its English release. The accurate translation is given there, whereas here we're just listing the English title/Original title. –Quiddity (talk) 01:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 August 2013

Nepali movies Most popular movie till date: Caravan (1999) directed by Eric Valli was nominated for Oscars. It was the first Nepalese film to be nominated in the Best Foreign Film category at the 72nd Academy Awards. Mukundo (Mask of Desire- 2000) directed by Tsering Rhitar Sherpa Balidaan (Sacrifice-1996) directed by Tulsi Ghimire Darpan Chhaya (Reflection-2001) directed by Tulsi Ghimire <http://topnepalimovies.blogspot.dk/2012/04/top-10-nepali-movies-you-must-watch.html> Also See Cinema of Nepal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Nepal> 95.166.29.141 (talk) 16:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied below. BryanG (talk) 03:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 August 2013

Please, include Nepali movies as well. Nepali movies Most popular movie till date: Caravan (1999) directed by Eric Valli was nominated for Oscars. It was the first Nepalese film to be nominated in the Best Foreign Film category at the 72nd Academy Awards. Mukundo (Mask of Desire- 2000) directed by Tsering Rhitar Sherpa Balidaan (Sacrifice-1996) directed by Tulsi Ghimire Darpan Chhaya (Reflection-2001) directed by Tulsi Ghimire References; http://topnepalimovies.blogspot.dk/2012/04/top-10-nepali-movies-you-must-watch.html Also See Cinema of Nepal [3] 95.166.29.141 (talk) 16:31, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Personal blogs are not reliable sources for inclusion on this list. BryanG (talk) 03:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Cowboy Bebop: The Movie

Cowboy Bebop must be on the section "animation", because it is one of the best anime movies of all time. BBC gave to the filme 4 out of 5 stars, saying that it's "an example of anime at its very best" and "good enough to deserve mention in the same breath as 'Akira', 'Ghost in the Shell', and 'Spirited Away'." So, I think this movie deserves to be on this list.186.218.34.103 (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Someone created List of films with a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, but presumably any film with 100% at Rotten Tomatoes would qualify for this list as well. Given that this article already exists, I think that the two should be merged. Making a separate list for Rotten Tomatoes seems a little undue to me. Fortdj33 (talk) 23:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, separate concepts. 20 out of 20 critics might give a movie a thumbs up, but that doesn't mean any of them think it's the best movie ever. I do think that 100% RT article is trivial, however, and could either be redirected or deleted. Ribbet32 (talk) 00:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Against List of films considered the best doesn't really host lists. The Brussels list is an exception, but we don't include lists like the Sight & Sound top 10, or the BFI and AFI lists etc. It is a list of films considered the best, so only films that top the criteria in some way are included. Therefore Toy Story 2 would be eligible since it is the highest ranked film on the RT list, but the other 99 wouldn't. Betty Logan (talk) 07:13, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. It's rare for all critics to approve of a film and this list in some shape or form is perfectly appropriate for wikipedia. Coming from somebody who quite happily creates articles about mothers masturbating and considers it encyclopedia appropriate, to scoff at such a list which also has reliable sources is just double standards. The aggregator list is certainly indicative of films which have universal critical acclaim which in effect makes it a useful list for those interested in film viewing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Universal critical acclaim isn't the same as being considered the best ever, and it's WP:OR to come to a conclusion that it does. It can go to Rotten Tomatoes, but I don't think it belongs here, is all. Ribbet32 (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

It did go to the Rotten Tomatoes articles, but it got removed by somebody who argued just the opposite and that it should go here instead. I'm just sick and tired of playing ball game with it. Somewhere such a list is useful, I can see we need some form of wider consensus to decide. Perhaps bring it up at WP:FILMS?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I oppose this as well. Just because a film doesn't receive a single negative review doesn't mean that it's one of the best films ever made. Especially when you consider the varying sample sizes on RT. It's just not enough to go on. The list may be suitable for the Rotten Tomatoes article, as you've suggested, but I can see why they wouldn't want it there either... It's a sizeable list that may be given undue weight and could overtake the article.LM2000 (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Nobody said it means they are the greatest films ever made. But just look at the list. At least half to 3/4 of them are on lists of films usually considered the greatest ever made so it effectively does identify those which have near-universal acclaim. I agree that it's indirect so perhaps here isn't quite appropriate as none of the critics specifically state greatest, but a list on wikipedia somewhere is appropriate. I'd argue that a list of films with a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes is also indicative of the worst films ever made.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The general consensus over at list of films considered the worst is that simply having a 0% ratings isn't enough for inclusion, for pretty much all of the reasons everyone has brought up in this conversation. That is a list for the worst films, and this is a list for the best, so putting the large RT lists into these, when you admit nobody called them the greatest (or worst) films ever, doesn't make much sense. At least to me anyway. If the list is notable enough on its own then it should have its own article, if it's not, then I don't see a use in it. But at this point we've referenced a few articles besides this one so I think that WP:FILMS would have more to offer to this discussion than here.LM2000 (talk) 19:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but it wasn't my idea to put it here!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic

The title and hence content of this page are about as unencylopedic as it gets. You could say "most acclaimed" but then you probably need to explain how someone gets in the position of making any such claims. weekeepeer (talk) 15:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it does appear rather subjective. You'd need consensus to have it moved to something like List of most acclaimed films. Often highly acclaimed films though in the eyes of critics aren't that popular with the public and aren't widely considered to be the greatest films of all time and vice versa. I can think of several films which have at least a 95% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes with under 70% audience ratings.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

While I agree that it is certainly subjective I'm not sure if it's unencyclopedic. It would be if it violated WP:NPOV every film included on the list has a source attributed to calling it "the best", and it explicitly says which publication said what. Blofield also points out the problem with "acclaimed" films, and the difference between critic acclaim and public acclaim. At least this list handles that quite well for the most part.LM2000 (talk) 16:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Bangladesh

I have removed the "Bangladesh" section claiming the 1973 film Titash Ekti Nadir Naam by Ritwik Ghatak topped British Film Institute's critics top 10 lists. The two references given in the section this and this both are dead links. The section shouldn't be add back without multiple secondary reliable sources. Solomon7968 20:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Where's Disneys Wreck-it-Ralph

Hello wiki users. As you know I've seen the 2012 Disney computer animated movie called Wreck-it-Ralph. It won and was nominated many academy awards, Annie awards for Best animated pictures and other best awards. I would definitely like to see it be included in the animated feature because I enjoyed watching the movie. Let me know if I can include it in "List of films considered the best" CrosswalkX (talk) 00:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not think it is considered one of the best. According to Metacritic, many more films from 2012 were considered better than Wreck-It Ralph. The movie does appear on three top-ten lists, but that's all, especially compared to the other films. Erik (talk | contribs) 02:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

That was a good movie but 2012 film seems to be pretty recent to say one is the greatest. Unless we are counting The Avengers for superhero films apparently according to a few lists. I guess that is the only genre doesn't get the memo that the old classic that started it all is the actual greatest. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 02:39, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Shrek HAS to be included.

There is no way Shrek cannot be included on this list. It is Common Knowledge that Shrek is the greatest movie ever made. Brogre4Life (talk) 14:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

No. It is common knowledge that it is ONE OF THE GREATEST ANIMATED films to be ever made. For example: in this list but not THE GREATEST. Perhaps you can be bold and place it as a inclusion that it is the only Dreamworks movie that made it on such a list. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2014

In the section of India, it is stated that Gandhi is the highest ranking Indian production in IMDb top 250 list, it's wrong because Taare Zameen Par, 3 idiots and Rang De Basanti have outranked Gandhi while Lagaan and Swades are also in the list. These films should also be stated there. Thank you. JokerDurden (talk) 21:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

• Please, no shouting. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 21:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 21:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

•  Done: Added Taare Zameen Par along with the reference. NiR_insanity 18:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 March 2014

Could the title be changed; "Films considered the best" almost sounds like broken English. Maybe, "Films considered to be the best"? BananaBandito (talk) 09:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

"Most critically acclaimed films", "Subjective list on movie quality", the list really does go on but: "Films considered the best" is a very poor title; is that even good grammar? I know my ponctuation may not be amazing but the title to this article doesn't sound right, but I'm surprised to apparently be the first to complain about this issue. BananaBandito (talk) 09:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Well I'm surprised to be the first to complain about the specific word placement of the title, not the actual title itself. BananaBandito (talk) 09:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Saving Mr. Banks is the best Film

How about you can add Saving Mr. Banks it have 12 Awards and This Film was named the sixth best film of 2013 by Access Hollywood. Can you add it?

It's a great film, yes, but it can't possibly yet be anywhere near being considered one of the best films ever made so no.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Unless it's The Dark Knight or The Avengers (blame the fanboys) no film is the greatest of it's genre just by coming out so soon. They usually have to be deemed classic. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:29, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The Lego Movie Request

Can you Please Add The Lego Movie it have some Positive Reviews heck Even This one Look http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-lego-movie-2014 It Have 4 Stars that this Film is become the Best Film in 2010s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.65.64 (talk) 01:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wake in Fright?

It is probably the most highly acclaimed Australian film. It has a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 44 reviews, and ranks 68th on the site's Top 100 list. Martin Scorsese selected it as a Cannes Classic. John Hillcoat said that Wake in Fright is "hands down the greatest Australian movie". According to American film critic Rex Reed, it "may be the greatest Australian film ever made". Nick Cave called it "the best and most terrifying film about Australia in existence", etc... - HappyWaldo (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2014

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82.239.183.251 (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 04:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Jurassic Park?

Jurassic park is probably one of the most influential movies out there, especially in terms of visual effects. I feel this should absolutely be placed under the category of science fiction or thriller somewhere. Would anyone care to agree?

Boyhood?

The film boyhood has the highest average rating on rotten tomatoes for a film with over 100 reviews, and 100 on metacritic, and many critics are calling it one of the best of all time. I really think it should be added somewhere. I'd be okay if everyone wanted to wait through awards seasons, and for some updated best movie lists to come out though, but it definitely is considered one of the best movies ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mussobrennon (talk • contribs) 00:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

One of the best isn't the same as the best; and what references are there saying it's the best? Ribbet32 (talk) 01:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Documentaries

Please include "Senna" in the list of best documentaries. Acclaimed by critics and audiences. Just check out the reviews on sites like IMDB and RottenTomatoes, in addition to several awards.

Thank you. 189.62.54.208 (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

Apparently, this movie's entry was removed because the source was from IMDb. A better source would be Rotten Tomatoes - the film is the 2nd highest-ranked western film on the site's Top 100 Western Movies, and the highest-ranked spaghetti western film on that list. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/top_100_western_movies/?category=17 http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly/ PatTheMoron (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Audience polls warning: time to remove

The article has umpteen subsections for countries, so the alleged US-centric perspective is a little odd. Most of the polls listed in the section explicitly mention their audience, such as "The Los Angeles Daily News". If that is not clear enough, then break the list of polls into their countries-of-origin. The page is already a mess: no need to warn people about non-existent problems. 187.207.93.31 (talk) 05:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2014

209.175.72.4 (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC) My film will be the best film on planet Earth.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 02:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2014

I would like you to add a film from Nepal in the list. Most probably film named LOOT released in 2012 which was the sudden blockbuster in Nepali cinema industry and none of other movie are able to follow its achievement. The link is as follows in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_%282012_film%29 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179133/

78.154.128.44 (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Need to show how this particular film is thought to be "one of the best" as described in the lede of this list article. Cannolis (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2014

173.171.54.45 (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC) James Bond Franchise 1962

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Stickee (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2014

South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut SeanathonK (talk) 01:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. They to show how this particular film is thought to be "one of the best" as described in the lede of this list article. Stickee (talk) 01:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Downfall (2004)

How about you guys can add Downfall (aka: Der Untergang in German) it's give a praised reviews from the critics, reviewers and everyone alike. Roger Ebert is gave this film a 4 Stars that he say's ""Downfall" premiered at Toronto 2004, and was one of this year's Oscar nominees for best foreign film. It has inspired much debate about the nature of the Hitler it presents.", The film was nominated for the 2005 Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film in the 77th Academy Awards. The film also won the 2005 BBC Four World Cinema competition. And even it's use as a Downfall parodies is used in YouTube that Downfall is become so famously popular.

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2014

Please add 12 Angry Men (1957) to the courtroom drama section. In addition to coming second in AFI's poll[4], it is the highest rated courtroom drama on both IMDb[5] and Rotten Tomatoes[6] (although neither has a separate list for that genre). On Rotten Tomatoes, it has a perfect rating — 100%[7].

I figure it should be added since other movies (King Kong, Rear Window, The Seventh Seal, Léon: The Professional, etc.) have been added solely on the basis of either IMDb or RT rating, and this one tops both in its genre. TompaDompa (talk) 22:09, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. Next time, please include the actual reference citations (in brackets with them explained separately). I had to double-check to see that IMDb was already there but Rotten Tomatoes and that specific page AFI page I think was not. It will just speed up your requests. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina films?

No Man's Land, Fuse, Belvedere, Grbavica, On the Path... --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 23:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Italy

Bicycle Thieves (Ladri di biciclette) (1948) is prefered movie of non-italian people because paint Italy like a very very poor land after the war.

8½ (1963) is a dull from a director, Fellini, loved only out of Italy. Nobody see Fellini's movie in Italy.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo) (1966) is a non-italian movie. Good but non-italian.

This is the italian cinema? Ah, no! "La Grande Bellezza"!->"Italiani fare sempre casino, italiani manciare pizza e suonare mandolino" (cit.)

Sorry, nobody see this shit in Italy.

5.87.93.209 (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Spirited Away Listed Twice?

Spirited Away is listed twice. Once under Animation and once under Fantasy. Was that intentional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.72.1.0 (talk) 14:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Interstellar

Interstellar could possibly added if the consensus holds and the polarizing reviews fade as they did for 2001. I will wait a year or so and see if the consensus changes as the film currently has polarizing so I am unsure about adding it at this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonUser10133 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Countdown to the Oscars: 15 Movies That Changed American Cinema

On February 17, 2015, ABC aired an Oscars special counting down the 15 best movies that changed American cinema.

1. Star Wars (1977)
2. Gone with the Wind (1939)
3. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
4. Psycho (1960)
5. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
6. A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
7. The Birth of a Nation (1915)
8. Easy Rider (1969)
9. I'm No Angel (1933)
10. The Godfather Part II (1974)
11. Lilies of the Field (1963)
12. Jaws (1975)
13. A Hard Day's Night (1963)
14. Sixteen Candles (1984)
15. Toy Story (1995) --StewieBaby05 (talk) 13:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Ida - Polish winner of Oscar 2015

"Polish best awarded production are: A Short Film About Killing (European Film Award for Best Film in 1988), Man of Iron (Palme d'Or of 1981 Cannes Film Festival), and The Pianist (Palme d'Or of 2002 Cannes Film Festival and Academy Award for Best Director 2003)."

It should be among them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.116.205.7 (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Shaun the sheep movie

has 100% on rotten tomato many people are consider it It's the Best Film Ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.93.78 (talk) 17:47, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Citing the Vatican

Yes, they have several lists of best films in various categories.[8] I do not see how they are an independent reliable source for "Religious" films but not other categories. For openers, their "religious" films are -- SPOILER ALERT -- heavily focused on Jesus, Mary and saints. Next up is expertise: "Gee, I wonder whether the Holy See prefers Die Hard over The Avengers for a popcorn flick," said no one ever.

The sister article, List of films considered the worst, uses a very different method. Rather than listing various movies listed by various organizations, that article demands multiple professional reviews. If the Vatican happened to agree with multiple reviewers that Battlefield Earth was the worst film ever, that article might mention the Vatican's opinion. If they were the only source selecting The Crush, the film simply wouldn't make the list.

I'm not sure what the criteria are here, but I have to question this inclusion. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2015

I consider to include Colombia on the list by countries. A country which filmography is growing as one of the most important of Latin America. The movies considered the best, by most critiques, are: La Estrategia del Caracol. La Vendedora de Rosas. Agarrando Pueblo. Julianhf9294 (talk) 23:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

feels like summer

Many reviewers consider Shaun the Sheep Movie one of the best movie ever

Changes! Please reply!

Hi! I'm just wondering if anyone can perform these changes which I feel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.174.240.241 (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Crouching Tiger production

The text says Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was "co-produced by Taiwan, Hong Kong, the United States and China". It doesn't make sense for countries to produce a movie, does it? — Brianhe (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit request for action movies section - 09/07/2015

Requesting that Mad Max: Fury Road be separated from Mad Max 2, and have its own bullet-point. While they both may be in the same franchise, they are both, on their own, considered one of the greatest action movies of all-time. Other franchises like Toy Story in the animation section have their own individual bullet-points, so why not do this for Mad Max? Even if it is "too early to tell", many critics and even audiences have already considered it as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.87.15 (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Paul Blart

Was Paul Blart: Mall Cop the best comedy movie ever with great reviews?

Best animated feature

Was Shark Tale wasn't the best at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C8:C001:8A3A:A11D:77A4:8A96:2DC3 (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Remove Toy Story 3

It's one of the worst animated films ever made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.176.64 (talk) 18:36, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Uppi 2 is the highest rated movie on imdb with 9.8 ratings

uppi 2 kannada movie by upendra is highest rated movie on imdb

103.2.234.104 (talk) 09:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

me and my friends all agree

That diarrhea island is the best movie ever made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.155.66.237 (talk) 06:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

RangiTaranga has the highest imdb rating for an Indian movie, not Bahubali-the beginning

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4432480/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2631186/

Rangitaranga has 9.3 (>6000 users)whereas bahubali is rated at 9!

Include Om (Kannada film) in the Indian List

Om has seen a record 550+ re-releases since its release in 1995. It was shown for the first time on television in 2015.

http://www.chitraloka.com/exclusive/11688-om-550-releases-in-20-years-exclusive.html http://www.gulte.com/movienews/36833/A-Film-That-Is-More-Popular-Than-DDLJ http://www.bangaloremirror.com/entertainment/south-masala/OM-still-chanting/articleshow/22074133.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvsrinie (talk • contribs) 20:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2015

Add STAND AND DELIVER, the true story of math teacher Jaime Escalante, to the genre "High school films."

Montereypinegreen (talk) 23:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

 Not done No WP:RS.LM2000 (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2015

In theory, The Shawshank Redemption and The Dark Knight should be on there, because the Shawshank Redemption is the greatest movie of all time, and the Dark Knight has won, lets say 5000 rewards? This needs to be added. 124.186.106.50 (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Please see the "basic guidelines for inclusion" at the top of this page - Arjayay (talk) 08:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

SYNTH

This entire article seem an obvious WP:SYNTH violation. Have "List of AFI's top musicals" or "List of Empire magazine's top films" or what have you. Gathering and cherrypicking from this list or that list and merging them to draw conclusion is the very definition of OR synth. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Flightplan

What about Flightplan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C8:C001:8A3A:5D40:B864:D35D:BBED (talk) 22:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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In the list of sections by countries, the Czech Republic is alphabetized as if it was the Chech Republic. --174.88.134.156 (talk) 05:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Please remove the Metacritic top 10

I implore you to delete the list of top 10 movies from Metacritic near the top of this page. I don't know how Metacritic ranks its movies, but surely even they wouldn't think that it's representative of the "film considered best." For instance, the current list places _Anomalisa_ as the second-best film. I like the filmmaker, Charlie Kaufman, as much as the next guy, but I don't think anyone would say that a movie that won't be released until December 2015 is consider one of the best films ever made. Another movie, entitled _Carol_, has also made this top ten, and it too isn't released until December. Likewise, and with the exception of two films, every single movie on this list is from the 21st century. Clearly, Metacritic is using a score that gives more weight to recent movies, somehow. That's all well and fine for Metacritic, but not for a Wiki article about films considered to be the best (ever). I mean, just have a look at the list to see how ridiculous its inclusion is here. I love this Wiki article, but this list (of 13 movies in a "top ten") just has to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.222.113.148 (talk) 00:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Frozen

Whoever took Frozen off, put it back. 67.83.60.230 (talk) 03:59, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Already done https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_films_considered_the_best&type=revision&diff=688069212&oldid=688039622 Cannolis (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2015

Cabaret was elected by The Guardian to be the best musical film of all time. 2001yuri (talk) 13:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC) http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2013/dec/03/top-10-movie-musicals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001yuri (talk • contribs) 13:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done /wia /tlk 07:01, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit request: cleanup of genre lists (possibly also country lists)

Currently this article is quite a mess, with several movies especially in the genre lists being included despite only appearing in the lower spots in random magazines (not reliable sources, not even cited within those sources as the greatest ever). Several movies are also included based only on audience polls, which I don't think belong here unless a reliable source can be found citing them as movies considered the greatest of all time.

Most specifically, the martial arts movies listed under action movies have dubious support. So do the metacritic and perhaps rottentomatoes lists, since they are not necessarily reliable sources and instead apply a proprietary formula to aggregate more reliable sources (critics' reviews) in ways not intended by the critics themselves; the critics were not intending to give a score to determine the greatest movie of all time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeze4576 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

(The page is semi-protected, I could edit it once my account is confirmed I suppose). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeze4576 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2016

In the Egyptian section the 10th move name is translated wrong   

The Flirtation of Girls ("Ghazal Al-Banat") it should be either (the fabric of girls) which is steel poor translation but it really means ( the girls cotton candy ) in the Egyptian language .

 Not done

I also get the translation "Yarn Girls" Please understand that not all foreign films get literal translations of their titles. As an example I Live in Fear has two other English titles and none of the three are an exact translation from the Japanese title. A google search turns up websites including Rotten Tomatoes and MUBI] who use the current title. If you can find a WP:RS who uses the title you suggest then this can be revisited. MarnetteD|Talk 19:43, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Rename

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Should the list name be changed to something more proper, encyclopedic-sounding? See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the best (2nd nomination). What was brought up was "List of most highly-rated films" or something akin to that (not by me, I couldn't come up with anything). I recommend giving your own suggestions. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2016 (UTC) (originally 16 March)

The fact is it is not really a list of "highly-rated" films since there are many highly rated films that do not appear. It is a list with a very specific criteria i.e. films that have been proclaimed the "greatest/best films ever made". The current title may or may not be "encyclopedic" but it accurately summarizes the subject, so why beat around the bush? Betty Logan (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• What highly-rated films don't appear? Isn't that just a problem with the raters themselves, as in one wishes some movies were rated better but they aren't? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 23:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Betty Logan that "highly-rated" [sic; should have no hyphen] doesn't work since it's more open to interpretation that the simple, concise "best." Still, though, I'm finding the word "considered" problematic since a look at some of the footnotes shows that this article doesn't include just established, respected sources like the AFI or the aggregations at Rotten Tomatoes, but pretty much any source anywhere that considered this or that film "the best". An audience survey by Amazon UK and IMDb? A "GeekyTyrant" review?

Whatever we call this article, the films included need to be based on objective criteria, as specified at WP:LISTCRITERIA. I would say, at minimum, that online audience surveys should be out. Because for an encyclopedia article to have to say that its content "may suffer the effects of vote stacking or skewed demographics" and caution that "Internet-based surveys have a self-selected audience of unknown participants" and that "The methodology of some surveys may be questionable" makes me want to ask: Why are we including them, then? What serious, encyclopedic good are polls and such like that? --Tenebrae (talk) 23:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

In general I agree, but even the highly respected Harris polls are carried out online these days I believe. Pollsters randomly contact people and ask them to fill out an online survey, and then the results are statistically weighted against the demographics of the US population. I have no problem with controlled polling over the internet (it is essentially no different to postal ballots), it is uncontrolled polling such as the IMDB user ratings that are statistically suspect. I think there is a lot of cruft in this article (I think magazine polls of their readers are a prime candidate for going) but we need to look at the particulars of each and every poll before canning it. I would also like to see the Rotten Tomato and Metacritic charts trasferred over to the respective RT and Metacritic articles and perhaps just see the top film listed here (after all, a film ranked #2 isn't considered the best is it?). I think criteria should be strictly applied in an article like this, but this is getting of fthe issue at hand: it is still a list of films that have been labelled the "best" in some way, so some permutation of those words need to be in the title. Betty Logan (talk) 23:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes! What she said! --Tenebrae (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• You must have accidentally erased my post... --Mr. Magoo (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
• Also, it seems to be a matter of choice whether you have a hyphen in-between or not: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/highly-rated. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the accidental delete; I didn't get an edit-conflict message, so that's weird. And yes, we can always find some source or other that gives an exception to a widely acknowledged grammatical rule, but AP Stylebook and many, many other sources direct that we do not hyphenate "-ly" adverbs. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

• Isn't that just for American journalists? American English generally tends toward omission of the hyphen, right? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 00:20, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

When I saw this rfc listed on my talk page, I thought it was a bit odd for an article to be named like this and now that I've seen it I agree that it should be renamed to something more..encyclopedic. I can't offer any suggestions though. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 15:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree, when I first read the title it sounded almost grammatically incorrect to me. The wording is off and I definitely think it should be changed to something else. I can't really think of any suggestions either. Brainstorm? Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 15:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The only alternative I can come up with is to rename it "List of films voted the best". It still might not be as encyclopedic as some would like but at least it would removed the weaselly "considered". Betty Logan (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

If "considered" remains, I think the problem in ending the title with "the best". Considered "the best" of what? (genre, time period, country, etc) It needs a bit of context. Perhaps adding "ever made" or "of all time" would ease the off-sounding/grammar issue (and add some context)? Lapadite (talk) 09:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

We also need to keep in mind the sister article, List of films considered the worst. Any changes made to this title made be needed over there as well. At one point "List of films notable for negative reception" was considered for that article, and while that is a better name, it's a better name for a different article as films on that list weren't just notable for having a bad rep, they're notable for having the worst. List of films considered the best ever made adds length to an already lengthy title, but is more reasonable than other suggestions.LM2000 (talk) 09:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The regular format for a list of lists is to call it "Lists of ...." so this should be Lists of top films which would list those lists in Category:Top film lists. The page would list article lists such as Dallas–Fort Worth Film Critics Association: Top 10 Films and AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies, providing a brief summary per WP:Summary style, and following the guidelines set out at Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists while aiming for the criteria at Wikipedia:Featured list criteria. The way the page is currently formatted it is unclear what the criteria is for inclusion, and appears to be user driven rather than source driven. For example, where are the reliable sources for the best Western film? That section, and the films in that section, appear to have been chosen by a user from four lists of their choice, only one of which is a Best Western list, so the inclusion of films in that section is entirely arbitrary. I can see why there has been concern of POV editing. Any best of genre section would need to be based on a notable best of genre list. If there isn't one, we shouldn't create one ourselves from picking and choosing films from several different lists of our own selection, particularly when those lists are not selecting by genre. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 12:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

The criteria as I understand it (and which seems to be confirmed by looking down the list) is films that have topped a list/poll, or are the highest-placed in some list according to some criteria i.e. the highest-ranked British film in the Sight & Sound poll, or the highest placed Western etc. It is not a list of every film that has appeared in some "best of" list otherwise the list would become indiscriminate. Betty Logan (talk) 13:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• In my opinion the reason it's so difficult to come up with an "encyclopedic" name for the list is that the whole idea of this list is not encyclopedic. It requires synthesis - deciding which polls and top film lists created by critics are to be considered, giving them relative weights when selecting the films, etc. A Wikipedia list should have specific criteria based on fact. A list like this will just suck up hundreds of hours of editor time in discussion because there is no objective way to decide which films are "best".—Anne Delong (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• • Ultimately, I agree, as I noted in my comment in the section SYNTH above on 17:18, 9 September 2015. I've been trying to work with other editors on ideas for renaming, and I will continue doing so if that's the way the discussion leans, but this list's title and inclusion criteria are too vague, in my opinion, to be anything but WP:SYNTH-violative. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
• I support changing the name to "List of top films'" as it is more concise and encyclopedic but am open to other suggestions. Regardless, the current title is far too ambiguous and needs to be changed. Meatsgains (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
• List of top films per meatsgain, but I endorse what many are saying about the topic being inherently unobjective, if not actually unency. Pincrete (talk) 16:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Sight & Sound polls/Brussells World Fair/Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic tables

An editor is persistent in adding the Sight & Sound polls to the article. I oppose this because i) it technically violates the criteria for inclusion in the list i.e. this list is specifically for the "best", not the second best, or the top ten best; ii) the charts are already available at Sight & Sound so it is unnecessary to add them here; iii) it singles out polls/charts for WP:UNDUE coverage. To that end I also recommend splitting out the Brussells World Fair, Rotten Toatoes and Metacritic tables to Expo 58, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic respectively. Permitting some tables creates a dangerous precedent, and removing them will keep the article focused and prevent bloat. Betty Logan (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

If we do that, I think we should make it clear that the tables can be found at the relevant articles. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they'll be added as "missing" information by editors in the future. TompaDompa (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, nobody has put up an objection so I have gone ahead with it. If somebody reverts we can have a more extensive discussion about it. I have added "main article" links to each section to indicate there is further information available. If it's not clear enough we can make the links more descriptive. Betty Logan (talk) 23:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2016

'How To Train Your Dragon 2' has been voted the Best Animated Film of 2014 by National Board of Review. source: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-season-focus/how-to-train-your-dragon-2-named-best-animated-film-of-2014-by-national-board-of-review-106472.html 103.242.197.227 (talk) 07:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The list does not document "annual" bests. Betty Logan (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

frozen

I thought frozen was criticized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinosaurus75 (Dinosaur Fan) (talk • contribs)

That doesn't automatically preclude a film (some split opinion) but I reviewed its credentials and it was a synthesis of individual reviews that failed WP:WEIGHT IMO so I removed it. Betty Logan (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 6 June 2016

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List of films considered the best → List of top films – Listing this for procedural reasons. At an above RfC in the "Rename" section, there was consensus that the current name is flawed and List of top films may be a suitable alternative. This should go through an official RM, though. ~ Rob^Talk 17:30, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

• Alternative proposal: List of films that have topped Best Film polls. I do not think the proposed name is specific enough because it does not stipulate what it is top of. For all the reader knows a "top films" list could be about films that were top at the box office. Per WP:PRECISION titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. "List of top films" does not unambiguously define the topic. The current title is not perfect, but it is more specific in scope than the proposed title. The criteria of the article is essentially films that have topped "Best Film" polls, so I think we need something like that or along those lines. Betty Logan (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The current title is certainly no more precise than "List of top films", given that you've just removed a film that was considered the best by a reliable source from the article. I do agree with including some reference to "polls" in the title, but the title you proposed is quite long and is a bit awkward. A restrictive clause in an article title is not great. Perhaps List of top films in polls? ~ Rob^Talk 18:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

I can live with that revision. BTW, slightly off-topic, but the reason I removed Frozen was because two of the four sources were dead(!), and neither of the two remaining sources complied with the "Basic guidelines for inclusion" information notice at the top of this page. Betty Logan (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I completely agree with the removal. My point is that the "List of films considered the best" title needs a "by who" tag. The title doesn't make it obvious that an individual reviewer's opinion isn't relevant to the inclusion criteria, which is why I like your suggestion to specifically reference polls. ~ Rob^Talk 18:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you should add "List of top films in polls" as a second option to your RFC before it really gets underway. At least then editors can comment explicitly on both options. Betty Logan (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose The current title is far more informative and precise than "top" films. "Top" is so often used to describe the films that have made the most money. Some that make a "Considered the best" list might have done so-so to poor box office in their original release but have come to be considered among the best as the years have gone by. The "by who" can be described in prose in the lede. MarnetteD|Talk 18:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per the ambiguity of the word "top". In fact, if the proposed move target were a redirect, I'd nominate it for WP:RFD for the same concerns. Steel1943 (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, for the record, I oppose any new title that uses the words "top", "topped" or any other miscellaneous variations of the word "top". Steel1943 (talk) 21:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose per my comments a few months ago in another thread above. The current title is bad, but it's accurate, and I'm yet to hear a better title for this particular list. "Top films" is ambiguous, "Films notable for positive reception", comparable to other lists, is inaccurate. This is a film for films considered the best and a good title needs to reflect that.LM2000 (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose, the present name is fine and accurate, although a tweak may improve it. 'Top films' could be too many things. Randy Kryn 23:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose the suggested title makes it even more ambiguous. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 11:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose and close per WP:SNOW. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:58, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per Lugnuts. Sock (tock talk) 12:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2016

Fritz Lang was an AUSTRIAN filmmaker and the movie "Metropolies" was an AUSTRIAN production.

Look here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Lang

This article is wrong in this point

62.178.10.73 (talk) 00:34, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Betty Logan (talk) 00:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2016

I suggest two citation changes to the Die Hard line in List_of_films_considered_the_best#Christmas:

The Empire list currently cited has moved to a new URL and the URL currently cited wasn't cached before being abandoned by Empire.

The Rotten Tomatoes list has changed since Die Hard was listed at #8, and Die Hard is no longer listed at number 8.

• I suggest citing a archived version of the list.
• Additionally, I suggest mentioning in the text that Die Hard was listed at #8 in the Holiday Guide 2014 specifically, and changing the citation title accordingly to reflect that the list has been updated since.

ls (talk) 07:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Partly done: I have corrected the Empire link but removed the reference to the RT list since being "8th best" does not qualify it for inclusion on those grounds. Betty Logan (talk) 11:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC)