Talk:List of Grand Slam men's doubles champions

Amazing

I find it amazing that there is no talk page discussion for this article.... ever! No disagreements on formatting? colors? Anything? I'm cool with it but it's hard to believe. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Introductory paragraph

This is bizarre. So there is only one couple who have the GS in men's doubles but the way you read this the most important achievement is the career Golden Slam (all names linked so it looks nice too, even down to the nick names), and then McGregor and Sedgman get a mention (no name link though) but it's qualified by making clear about how great the Bryan's are. I am holding back my inner McEnroe. Antipodenz (talk) 07:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Big titles Sweep

Qwerty284651, there were discussions on the same subject on the singles' talk page, and all the reasoning presented there applies here, so ehat's your reasoning for having a different view on this issue here? ABC paulista (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@ABC paulista: My issue is, it is pertinent to this article's scope, therefore it should remain here. If you are still adamant about removing at least move it elsewhere in a tennis article which it belongs, not outright remove it. Thank you very much. Qwerty284651 (talk) 02:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerty284651: It isn't pertinent here just as it's not pertinent on the single's article, the same reasoning applies for both lists. And it was already moved to the List of men's Grand Slam, Olympic and ATP Tour Finals and Masters Series doubles champions. ABC paulista (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@ABC paulista Oh, really? I had no idea it was moved. Well, at least it has been relocated somewhere, I guess. Better than being removed altogether. At least it exists in some tennis article...I am complacent with that. This topics I hereby declare closed. Over and out. Qwerty284651 (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Multiple slams, Channel Slam and Surface Slam

A consensus was reached to include all versions of 2- and 3-slam combinations and highlight the repeating ones with corresponding color and symbol. Qwerty284651 (talk) 11:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Qwerty284651, there was a lenghty discussion about how the tables should be arranged on the List of Grand Slam men's singles champions' talk page, and it was decided that including every eligible player/instance was the better optino. Than this decision was also applied on the List of Grand Slam women's singles champions#Multiple titles in a season, so why this page should handle it differently? ABC paulista (talk) 16:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC) @ABC paulista Because singles already have long lists, adding all the 4- and 3-slam per season combinations in the 2-slam/season combination makes the already long tables, egregiously longer and unorganized. Maybe highlight the 4-slam and 3-slam titlists in the 6x 2-slam combo tables, as well as the 4-slam winners in the 3-slam combo, so they stand out and avoid clustering... Like we did for the surface slam...I propose this background coloring be applied to the rest of the related articles, which have all 6 2-slam combo tables. Qwerty284651 (talk) 17:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC) Qwerty284651, honestly I'm failing to see how your proposal differs much from the changes I promoted. Maybe you could provide an example on a sandbox, so I could properly visualize your idea. ABC paulista (talk) 21:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC) @ABC paulista I used your version of the tables, but also highlighted all the 3-slam combos that appear in the 2-slam tables, and Sedgman/McGregor's 4-slam combo that appear in the 3-slam and 2-slam combos. So that one can distinguish which of the combos were 2-slam ones ONLY or there are some who have been repeated in the 2-slam tables going with the logic to include all higher slam combos in the lower ones, as you suggest it should be done. I explained it as accurate as possible. Hopefully, you understand where I am going with this. P.S. Feel free to experiment further in my sandbox/subpage. Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC) 4-slam and 3-elam tables combos highlighted Multiples titles in a season Three titles ▲ Player won all 4 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. ‡ Player won 3 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. § Surface Slam (major titles on 3 different surfaces in the same season). Australian—French—Wimbledon 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1935 Jack Crawford 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad Open Era 1998 Jacco Eltingh§ 2013 Bob Bryan§ Mike Bryan§ Australian—French—U.S. 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973 John Newcombe 1987 Anders Järryd Australian—Wimbledon—U.S. 1950 John Bromwich 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad French—Wimbledon—U.S. 1933 John Van Ryn 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ Open Era 1991 Anders Järryd§ John Fitzgerald§ Two titles ^ Channel Slam (French and Wimbledon title double). Australian—French 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1935 Jack Crawford 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1955 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1958 Ashley Cooper Neale Fraser 1961 Rod Laver 1962 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973 John Newcombe 1987 Anders Järryd 1998 Jacco Eltingh 2013 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan Australian—Wimbledon 1912 Charles Dixon 1919 Pat O'Hara Wood Ron Thomas 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1935 Jack Crawford 1948 John Bromwich 1950 Adrian Quist John Bromwich 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1954 Rex Hartwig Mervyn Rose 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1964 Bob Hewitt Fred Stolle 1965 John Newcombe Tony Roche Open Era 1997 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1998 Jacco Eltingh 2006 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2011 2013 Australian—U.S. 1939 John Bromwich Adrian Quist 1949 John Bromwich 1950 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1957 Neale Fraser 1966 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1971 John Newcombe 1973 1987 Anders Järryd Stefan Edberg 1990 Pieter Aldrich Danie Visser 1994 Jacco Eltingh Paul Haarhuis 2010 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2016 Jamie Murray Bruno Soares French—Wimbledon^ 1925 Jean Borotra René Lacoste 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1932 1933 John Van Ryn 1935 Jack Crawford 1949 Pancho Gonzales Frank Parker 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1961 Roy Emerson Open Era 1969 John Newcombe Tony Roche 1972 Bob Hewitt Frew McMillan 1991 Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1998 Jacco Eltingh Paul Haarhuis 1999 Mahesh Bhupathi Leander Paes 2000 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 2013 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan French—U.S. 1926 Vincent Richards 1933 John Van Ryn 1937 Gottfried von Cramm Henner Henkel 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1954 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1957 Ashley Cooper 1960 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1965 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973 John Newcombe 1987 Anders Järryd 1988 Emilio Sánchez 1991 Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1997 Yevgeny Kafelnikov Daniel Vacek 2009 Lukáš Dlouhý Leander Paes Wimbledon—U.S. 1903 Laurence Doherty Reginald Doherty 1927 Frank Hunter Bill Tilden 1933 John Van Ryn 1934 George Lott Lester Stoefen 1938 Don Budge Gene Mako 1947 Jack Kramer 1950 John Bromwich 1951 Ken McGregor▲ Frank Sedgman▲ 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1959 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser Open Era 1979 Peter Fleming John McEnroe 1981 1983 1991 Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1995 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1996 2003 Jonas Björkman Todd Woodbridge 2018 Mike Bryan Jack Sock 2019 Juan Sebastián Cabal Robert Farah Qwerty284651 I'm fine with you proposal. The only changes I'd propose is that the first two items on the Legend should be called "Grand Slam" and "Three-Quarter Slam", respectively, while linking to their respective sections on the Grand Slam page. ABC paulista (talk) 00:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC) I do not like the color changes one bit. How it looks now in the article as far as color is just fine. This really looks busy. Symbols are fine but way too dark this way. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Fyunck(click), colors are easy to fix, they can be made lighter in order to look less obstrusive, like on the first table of this article. ABC paulista (talk) 01:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC) But one of the problems is overkill on color. Take the first section here ... Three titles. Since that is the section name, we need no color on the three title winners... and on the surface winner and four title winners we'd only need the symbols. The same with the Two titles list. Since all the three title winners are in the prior list all we care about is the fact they won two titles... a symbol would do, no color needed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:04, 5 February 2022 (UTC) @Fyunck(click) and ABC paulista: I made the 2-slam and 3-slam tables to fall in line with the 2 singles pages, pertinent to the topic, excluding the repeating combinations in the lower tables, 4-slam in 3- and 2-slam tables and 3-slam in the 2-slam ones. However, since ABC paulista is so adamant about including all the combinations in all the tables, I requested a discussion be opened to settle the differences and the misunderstanding. I don't want to have another taxing and arduous discussion, like we did back in September:List of Grand Slam men's singles champions' talk page. So, to avoid that here is my proposal: My idea was to include only the 3-slam combos in their namesake tables and 2-slam combos in the 2-slam tables, EXCLUDING the repeating combos. But given paulista's determination I proposed a compromise. Now to the matter at hand: the colors can be omitted in the 3-slam tables by using symbols only, as proposed by Fyunck. As for the 2-slam tables...Highlight only the years, where said instances of repeating combos are included, instead of highlighting the whole row, with symbols, of course. OR remove the repeating combos altogether and just leave the original, non-repeating ones there. That is all I have for now. What are your thoughts on this? Qwerty284651 (talk) 12:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Qwerty284651 What if we only highlight the years in all 2-slam and 3-slam tables? I don't see the need to color the namespaces, since they can span multiple years with distinct achievements. Highlighting only the years can avoid possible misundertandings, and it would reduce any possible visual pollution, whetever they're colored or not. ABC paulista (talk) 14:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ABC paulista This is a plain version with the symbols added, but no background colors on the years rowheaders, excluding the namespaces. Qwerty284651 (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Symbols without year highlight Multiples titles in a season Three titles ▲ Player won all 4 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. ‡ Player won 3 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. § Surface Slam (major titles on 3 different surfaces in the same season). Australian—French—Wimbledon 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1935 Jack Crawford 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad Open Era 1998 Jacco Eltingh§ 2013 Bob Bryan§ Mike Bryan§ Australian—French—U.S. 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973 John Newcombe 1987 Anders Järryd Australian—Wimbledon—U.S. 1950 John Bromwich 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad French—Wimbledon—U.S. 1933‡ John Van Ryn 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman Open Era 1991 Anders Järryd§ John Fitzgerald§ Two titles ^ Channel Slam (French and Wimbledon title double). Australian—French 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1955 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1958 Ashley Cooper Neale Fraser 1961 Rod Laver 1962 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973‡ John Newcombe 1987‡ Anders Järryd 1998‡ Jacco Eltingh 2013‡ Bob Bryan Mike Bryan Australian—Wimbledon 1912 Charles Dixon 1919 Pat O'Hara Wood Ron Thomas 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1948 John Bromwich 1950 Adrian Quist John Bromwich‡ 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1954 Rex Hartwig Mervyn Rose 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1964 Bob Hewitt Fred Stolle 1965 John Newcombe Tony Roche Open Era 1997 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1998‡ Jacco Eltingh 2006 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2011 2013‡ Australian—U.S. 1939 John Bromwich Adrian Quist 1949 John Bromwich 1950‡ 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1957 Neale Fraser 1966 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1971 John Newcombe 1973‡ 1987 Anders Järryd‡ Stefan Edberg 1990 Pieter Aldrich Danie Visser 1994 Jacco Eltingh Paul Haarhuis 2010 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2016 Jamie Murray Bruno Soares French—Wimbledon^ 1925 Jean Borotra René Lacoste 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1932 1933‡ John Van Ryn 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1949 Pancho Gonzales Frank Parker 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1961 Roy Emerson Open Era 1969 John Newcombe Tony Roche 1972 Bob Hewitt Frew McMillan 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1998 Jacco Eltingh‡ Paul Haarhuis 1999 Mahesh Bhupathi Leander Paes 2000 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 2013‡ Bob Bryan Mike Bryan French—U.S. 1926 Vincent Richards 1933 John Van Ryn 1937 Gottfried von Cramm Henner Henkel 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1954 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1957 Ashley Cooper 1960 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1965 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973‡ John Newcombe 1987‡ Anders Järryd 1988 Emilio Sánchez 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1997 Yevgeny Kafelnikov Daniel Vacek 2009 Lukáš Dlouhý Leander Paes Wimbledon—U.S. 1903 Laurence Doherty Reginald Doherty 1927 Frank Hunter Bill Tilden 1933‡ John Van Ryn 1934 George Lott Lester Stoefen 1938 Don Budge Gene Mako 1947 Jack Kramer 1950‡ John Bromwich 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1959 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser Open Era 1979 Peter Fleming John McEnroe 1981 1983 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1995 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1996 2003 Jonas Björkman Todd Woodbridge 2018 Mike Bryan Jack Sock 2019 Juan Sebastián Cabal Robert Farah OR In this version I added bgcolor just to the year cells and not the namespaces, as suggested. However, there are 3* questionable exceptions, which I just did not know how to deal with. Namely, 2-slam tables: 2nd table: AO-WIM 1950 Bromwich 3rd table: AO-USO 1987 Jarryd 4th table: FO-WIM 1998 Eltingh All 3 have won 3 slams in said years, but with different partners. They are listed with the partner, alongside whom they won 2 titles, in such and such combo. BUT I did not know how to emphasize them besides adding a symbol. Maybe split the year, one highlighted with a symbol, the other plain; to avoid highlighting the namespace....I don't know. Just throwing ideas out there. Anyhow, this is the best I have got. Also, I am tagging @ForzaUV and DiamondIIIXX:, the participants in the previous discussion related to this one, to weigh in on the matter. Qwerty284651 (talk) 17:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Symbols with year rowheaders highlighted, with 3* exceptions. Multiples titles in a season Three titles ▲ Player won all 4 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. ‡ Player won 3 Grand Slam tournaments in the same year. § Surface Slam (major titles on 3 different surfaces in the same season). Australian—French—Wimbledon 1928 Jacques Brugnon 1935 Jack Crawford 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad Open Era 1998§ Jacco Eltingh 2013§ Bob Bryan Mike Bryan Australian—French—U.S. 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1967 Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973 John Newcombe 1987 Anders Järryd Australian—Wimbledon—U.S. 1950 John Bromwich 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956 Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad French—Wimbledon—U.S. 1933 John Van Ryn 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman Open Era 1991§ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald Two titles ^ Channel Slam (French and Wimbledon title double). Australian—French 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1955 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1958 Ashley Cooper Neale Fraser 1961 Rod Laver 1962 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973‡ John Newcombe 1987‡ Anders Järryd 1998‡ Jacco Eltingh 2013‡ Bob Bryan Mike Bryan Australian—Wimbledon 1912 Charles Dixon 1919 Pat O'Hara Wood Ron Thomas 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1948 John Bromwich 1950 Adrian Quist John Bromwich‡ 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1954 Rex Hartwig Mervyn Rose 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1964 Bob Hewitt Fred Stolle 1965 John Newcombe Tony Roche Open Era 1997 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1998‡ Jacco Eltingh 2006 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2011 2013‡ Australian—U.S. 1939 John Bromwich Adrian Quist 1949 John Bromwich 1950‡ 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1957 Neale Fraser 1966 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1971 John Newcombe 1973‡ 1987 Anders Järryd‡ Stefan Edberg 1990 Pieter Aldrich Danie Visser 1994 Jacco Eltingh Paul Haarhuis 2010 Bob Bryan Mike Bryan 2016 Jamie Murray Bruno Soares French—Wimbledon^ 1925 Jean Borotra René Lacoste 1928‡ Jacques Brugnon 1932 1933‡ John Van Ryn 1935‡ Jack Crawford 1949 Pancho Gonzales Frank Parker 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1952 1953‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1961 Roy Emerson Open Era 1969 John Newcombe Tony Roche 1972 Bob Hewitt Frew McMillan 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1998 Jacco Eltingh‡ Paul Haarhuis 1999 Mahesh Bhupathi Leander Paes 2000 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 2013‡ Bob Bryan Mike Bryan French—U.S. 1926 Vincent Richards 1933 John Van Ryn 1937 Gottfried von Cramm Henner Henkel 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1954 Vic Seixas Tony Trabert 1957 Ashley Cooper 1960 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser 1965 Roy Emerson Fred Stolle 1967‡ Tony Roche John Newcombe Open Era 1973‡ John Newcombe 1987‡ Anders Järryd 1988 Emilio Sánchez 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1997 Yevgeny Kafelnikov Daniel Vacek 2009 Lukáš Dlouhý Leander Paes Wimbledon—U.S. 1903 Laurence Doherty Reginald Doherty 1927 Frank Hunter Bill Tilden 1933‡ John Van Ryn 1934 George Lott Lester Stoefen 1938 Don Budge Gene Mako 1947 Jack Kramer 1950‡ John Bromwich 1951▲ Ken McGregor Frank Sedgman 1956‡ Ken Rosewall Lew Hoad 1959 Roy Emerson Neale Fraser Open Era 1979 Peter Fleming John McEnroe 1981 1983 1991‡ Anders Järryd John Fitzgerald 1995 Todd Woodbridge Mark Woodforde 1996 2003 Jonas Björkman Todd Woodbridge 2018 Mike Bryan Jack Sock 2019 Juan Sebastián Cabal Robert Farah Qwerty284651 I like the solutions you gave to these exceptions. I think that you could still color the years, to indicate that something was achieved there, but keep the symbol with the name, to show who did that and indicate that the other didn't achieve the same. ABC paulista (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC) @ABC paulista: Here are 4 versions just for the 3 exceptions: Any of them work for me. How about you? Which one, in your opinion, would best fit in the 2-slam tables? Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC) 4 versions of 1 exception Version Year Team 1 1950 Adrian Quist John Bromwich 1950‡ 2 1950 Adrian Quist John Bromwich‡ 1950‡ 3 1950 Adrian Quist 1950‡ John Bromwich 4 1950 Adrian Quist 1950‡ John Bromwich‡ Qwerty284651, all four are fine by me, but I was thinking of something similar to this: Version Year Team 5 1950‡ Adrian Quist John Bromwich‡ 6 1950‡ Adrian Quist John Bromwich‡ But these are mere technicalities, I won't sweat over any of the options chosen. ABC paulista (talk) 23:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC) @ABC paulista I'd give the final vote to put an end to this, but I am gonna wait for others, Fyunck(click) and co., see what they prefer. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)