Talk:List of A Certain Magical Index characters

The Unknown "Pierce Aogami"

"Blue hair and piercings". The author truly did not give this person a name?--TacticianJ (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, what about Sasha Kreuzhev (the russian orthodox from the 4th light novel) ? DarkoNeko x 21:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The "Angel Fall" arc of the anime confirmed that there was a name behind Gabriel's disguise; he just happened to use "Misha" instead of "Sasha".--TacticianJ (talk) 00:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Names of God's Right Hand members

I think the names of God's Right Hand should be spelled as: Vento, Acqua, Fiamma and Terra. This is more appropriate since these are the Italian words for wind, water, fire and earth respectively and they are based in the Vatican. ----125.60.241.249 (talk) 00:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Updated.--十八 01:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Creating separate character pages for the main characters

I'm planning to create 4 separate character pages for each of the series main characters, Tōma Kamijō, Index, Mikoto Misaka and Accelerator. Each page will have the characters past and history in the series, their current role in the series, a description of their powers & abilities & the characters Reception by fans, reviewers & popularity polls. However due to a hectic schedule i'm facing, i won't be able to create the character pages until sometime around the end of March hopefully. So for now i asking you my fellow editors if i have permission to create the character pages. I hope you grant me permission once i ready to create the pages.

Thank you. --FonFon Alseif (talk) 18:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

They will probably get deleted or redirected back here, considering that the 7 main characters from Gakuen Alice(which had been around for ~3 years) just got merged back into the List of Gakuen Alice characters(which has ~60 characters). I'm sure someone else will point to them not being notable or something. There are, of course, individual pages on the Index Wiki at Wikia if you really want a place to expand the info.--Sxerks (talk) 19:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I been noticing that recently but explain why Bleach & Naruto manage to keep their separate character pages for their main characters despite those pages numbering around 10. And besides i'm only doing 4 pages with lots of official sources and references about these characters (which is the real reason why the others character pages got merged since they lack sources & reference in the first place.) and not everyone in the series (That goes to the series wikia). --FonFon Alseif (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Characters need to establish their notability independently of the series through coverage by reliable third-party sources. Just because a character is a main or major character doesn't make the character notable. Nor does the existence of other character articles justify creating articles for non-notable characters. —Farix (t | c) 01:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I see. Will these reliable third-party sources include reliable sources from official Japanese sites and references from the novels itself?--FonFon Alseif (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Those are primary sources and not third-party sources. So no, they won't a factor in towards notability. —Farix (t | c) 01:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I would be highly against the creation of such articles, as none of these characters have shown significant coverage in reliable third-party sources outside of Index or Railgun. I would nominate them to be merged immediately after their creation, so I would suggest to not even be of the idea to create them. WP:ANIME has been very busy over the past couple of years trying to merge individual character articles into lists, so we don't need more work doing it for new series like this one.--十八 03:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I think i understand everyone's reasons so therefore after thinking about it, i decided to create those character pages at the Index Wikia instead. So before i officially close this matter on why we, the editors won't create separate main character pages for the main cast of Index and reasons for it to future wiki editors who are thinking about doing the same thing, does anyone have anything to say about your thoughts why you are for and/or against creating the character pages. Please post your thoughts.--FonFon Alseif (talk) 06:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

It might become reasonable to make a separate page for Touma and Misaka in the not-to-distant future since Funimation is localizing the anime. Chances are when the anime gets reviewed, reviewers will probably make comments about Touma, Misaka, and other characters. Not to mention the fact that Touma and Misaka have been rated number one for best male and female characters respectively for light novel characters in the 2011 contest. It is also worth noting in terms of overall character polls, Touma ranked 1st, Misaka ranked 2nd, and Accelerator ranked 3rd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.89.126 (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

If you plan on doing that, consider removing Index (who is not a main character), and adding Hamazura Shiage (who is). Technically Mikoto shouldn't be in that list, but since she is the heroine of Railgun, that can't be helped. 81.66.233.244 (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me but didn't you read the rest of this section? Me and the others had a talk about it decided not to do it a year ago so it's kinda late for you to answer it.--FonFon Alseif (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

i think we should stop arguing if misaka or index is the main female character, cause this has spark a lot of tension on the internet. and we should try to avoid it, we just name misaka the science side female main character and index the magic side main character.Michino1993 (talk) 06:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

i just edited some part about misaka mikoto with reference from the new testament, please tell me if there is anything wrong with it. by the way, i think that creating a separate page is a good idea, maybe we should continue with it. Also should we consider making a different page for the side story, A Certain Scientific Railgun, as many part of the stoey is not wriiten inside this article, and it may also confuse people, however people searching for that will be automatically redirected here which is rather problematic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michino1993 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

As was said before, the characters need to establish notability on their own, and need to show significant coverage in reliable third-party sources outside of Index or Railgun to warrant separate articles. Articles that don't establish notability would simply be merged back to a character list and/or deleted. As for a Railgun article, the information pertaining to that series can (and is) easily represented in the main Index article. Spin-off series rarely get their own articles, and I don't think Railgun should be any exception.--十八 21:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok i agree with your point, then maybe we don't make a separate page for all the main characters, but only for Toma and Misaka? As both are the protagonist of the main series and side story respectively. so there are too much information about them, putting them on a list might be too strange. Also, they are quite notable characters , Toma was voted most favorite male character in light novel in japan in 2011, and Misaka was voted as most favourite female character in light novel from 2010 to 2012, she also won the Isml 2011 and some necklaces for a few time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michino1993 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC) it is just a suggestion, it is only that i feel too much information are lacked for Toma and Misaka, but it is up to you to decide, of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michino1993 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Sisters

OK, I made a research about them and got the next:

• 'First Production Plan' with militar purposes creating Level 5 espers. Halted because the clones were at Level 2.

• 'Second Production Plan' the clones who were already manufactured are used on the 'Level 6 Shift Project' completing a number of 20000 clones through massive production. Stopped because of Misaka Mikoto and Kamijou Toma's intervention.

• 'Third Production Plan' began after Last Order was taken by Accelerator, their main purpose is uknown yet but part of the plan is to eliminate Last Order and create a new ‘command center’, in order to improve performances and also to break Accelerator's mind.

About Misaka Worst:

• Misaka Worst's physical form is a high school student version of the Misaka Mikoto.
• Can shoot railguns using 2mm steel nails. At Level 4 she can only send it just past the speed of sound, unlike Mikoto where it’s past 3x the speed of sound.
• The colour of their lightning is purple, unlike Mikoto's which is blue.
• To prevent this series of clones being controlled by Last Order, all of the clones are cut up and have many metal parts embedded in them, which according to the Misaka Worst clone that fought Accelerator is painful beyond belief.
• Though they have the same appearance as Mikoto, their personality was programmed to be similar to Mugino's.

When Accelerator discovered she was a Sister, run in terror that’s beyond anything he’s ever felt before(more than Kihara Amata, Kakine Teitoku and Aiwass together). But she physically beat Accelerator down and when had enough decided to kill Last Order forcing Accelerator to choose between his two ideals: ‘protect Last Order’, and ‘never kill another Misaka clone again’. He snapped, physically thrown Misaka Worst up into the airand, broke one of her arms when she tried to shoot another railgun at him, grabbed one of her legs and slammed her into the ground and then almost tearing her flesh apart using his bare hands becoming even more cruel than the days of the 'Experiment', Accelerator lost faith in everything good and thought it’s better if he just break down right there and go mad while laughing like a crazy. In the same moment a suicide program started, Misaka Worst gone into 'Shock' due to the metal parts embedded into her, with her skull starting to split open, and Accelerator finally realized no matter the outcome Misaka Worst was designed to die. He reprogrammed her and saved her. After that Misaka Worst finally realized she has pulled a switch that wasn’t meant to be pulled, and trembles with horror involuntarily as she watches Accelerator going even more mad on a rampage.

In accord to her description, Accelerator’s black wings are like an embodiment of all the despair in the world.

• Until that part(Chapter 3, part 8) Misaka Worst is still alive but then, Accelerator saw a convoy driving past(Chapter 3, part 10). Toma was in there and Accelerator throw a large boulder buried under the snow at the convoy; the fight starts. Misaka Worst already dissapeared frome the scene, so her whereabouts and current state is unknown by time being.

Wilfriback (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Kuroko Shirai

Shouldnt it be mentioned that it is explicit necessary for her to touch the objects she wants to teleport ? --Stan T. Lor (talk) 21:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Shiage Hamazura

Why is Hamazura not listed as a main character? Since volume 15, his parts in the story have been just as large as Accelerator's parts. AQZT (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Since there seems to be no good reason not to include him, I have added Hamazura to the list of main characters. If there is a problem with this, first discuss it here before reverting so that we can come to the right decision about this matter once and for all. AQZT (talk) 02:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

About the difference between the Anglican Church and Necessarius.

The Necessarius functions as the 0th branch of the Anglican Church, which in turn makes all Necessarius members part of the Anglican Church, but not all members of the Anglican Church part of the Necessarius. As Necessarius is not a "Church", it does not have an Archibishop. Therefore the statement "Laura is the archibishop of the Necessarius" is untrue as well. However, Necessarius is indeed controlled by the Anglican Church and therefore Laura, the archibishop of the Anglican Church. It was never stated in the novel where Orsola joined the Necessaruius. Therefore, I suggest putting both Orsola and Laura in a different category, possibly linking back to Laura in the Necessaruis section as well. Redefining history (talk) 07:10, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. According to both the Toaru Majutsu no Index wikia articles on Necessarius and Church of England, both articles listed Orsola as a member of Necessarius. I find it unnecessary to put Laura and Orsola in another group when both are members of the same organization under the authority of the Church of England just like their compatriots Stiyl, Sherry, Kaori and Agnese even if the latter two leads the Amakusas and UK Catholics. --FonFon Alseif (talk) 12:07, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Please refrain from citing sources from another wiki, and instead search for traces in the original novel where she is a part of Necessaruis. If there is none, it can be assumed that she didn't join. Redefining history (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Here's two lines from Chapter 5 of the Volume 10 of the novels:

"The owner of this voice that either sounded like a male or a female was Sherry Cromwell. The decoder of the British Puritans, and at the same time, Index’s enemy."

"The other person who was speaking in a relaxed tone was Orsola Aquinas. Like Sherry, she specialised in decoding anything magic-related. Because of the incident when she tried to decode the magic book ‘Book of the Law’, she had switched from a Roman Catholic to a British Puritan."

As you can see, Sherry is a decoder for Necessarius, is called a British Puritan which is another name for members of Necessarius. Orsola, who is also another decoder and working with Sherry, is also called a British Puritan. Since the Anglican Church does not deal with magical affairs as they are under Necessarius jurisdiction and Sherry and Orsola are involved in magical case, this suggests Orsola is a member of Necessarius.

PS: We should get more people interested in this discussion.--FonFon Alseif (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

This is based on your assumption on the fact that "British Puritans" is another name for Necessarius, which I would like to proclaim false. Here is the extract from the original novel where your second sentence came from (Page 38 of Volume 10, 10th line from the right). "British Puritans" is apparently the translation for Igirisu Seikyō (イギリス清教). As much as I don't like to quote from the Index wiki (or if you'd rather, you can check out the original version of the novel yourself), Igirisu Seikyō is listed in the Anglican Church page as one of the two terms this series used to refer to the Anglican Church.

I think I have mentioned multiple times, that the Neccesarius is a part of the Anglican Church, more specifically being the 0th (secret) branch within the Anglican Church; In which, all Neccesarius members are automatically considered members of the Anglican Church. So while Sherry Cromwell is a member of Necessarius, she is a member of the Anglican Church as well. That extract you gave did not, in any way, mention the fact that Orsola is a part of the Necessarius. Redefining history (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is getting us nowhere since it's only the two of us talking about this topic. So to end this, i suggests a compromise. Both Laura and Orsola will still stay in the Neccesarius characters section but this sentence will be added in Orsola's bio.

"While it is unclear if Orsola is a member of Neccesarius, she has help the organization by using her skills as a decoder."

Does this sound good? So what do you say? We can shake hands and end this topic or we can just continue debating back and forth for who knows how long.--FonFon Alseif (talk) 15:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Guess so. But seriously, what is wrong with putting them under a different category? Even Angese Forces and Amakusa-Style Remix Church (both part of Necessarius) have their own categories. Redefining history (talk) 16:26, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

The Battle Nuns and Amakusas are not really under control of Necessarius. They are independent organizations whose leaders allied with Necessarius for mutual protection against the Catholic Church. Anyway, i'm glad this discussion is done. I will now put the sentence in Orsola's bio.--FonFon Alseif (talk) 15:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. Sounds like no one actually wants to move anymore. Discussion regarding the organization of the article can continue in a new section. --BDD (talk) 22:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

List of A Certain Magical Index characters → List of A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun characters – Both are of the same series and share most of the same characters but have different plots and roles for each character. (B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Railgun is in the same universe as Index, so this would just make the article title needlessly long. There is a certain amount of overlap between Index and Railgun anyway, not to mention that the latter is merely a spinoff.--十八 21:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment And how are characters exclusive to A Certain Scientific Railgun related to A Certain Magical Index? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 03:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Let me put it another way. The information for Railgun is contained in A Certain Magical Index, and yet we wouldn't rename that article to A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun.--十八 04:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
    • So Split the articles, just like these two? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 08:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
      • Spinoff works rarely if ever get their own articles, and there'd have to be a separate discussion for that anyway. It has been discussed in the past, though. The amount of info pertaining to Railgun in the main article is not enough to warrant a split; what this basically amounts to is three paragraphs: one each in the manga, anime and music sections, and then the one line about the Railgun game in the video game section. So a Railgun article would basically be a stub. Any plot info would just go in the chapter list, episode list or this joint character list, so splitting it off because their plots are slightly different would not be a good argument; works about fictional pieces aren't supposed to have a large amount of in-universe detail anyway. There's also plot overlap since certain events in Railgun happened first in Index.--十八 09:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment isn't there a title for the fictional universe, atleast used in Japanese that this could be renamed to? -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Could you explain a little more about the title you're referring to? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 03:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

After reconsidering, the article doesn't needto be moved or split. But how about splitting up the sections at least, into Toaru Majutsu no Index, and Toaru Kagaku no Railgun? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 06:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• As I said above, there's a certain amount of overlap between both series, so that's unfeasible for characters who appear in both of them.--十八 09:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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Splitting the Articles

I propose that sections of the character list be split into their own separate articles: Index (A Certain Magical Index) and Kuroko Shirai. These articles should have sources in Japanese and English. ---Cairnpent (talk) 12:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

• At one point, I considered making articles for Index (ja:インデックス (とある魔術の禁書目録)) and Accelerator (ja:一方通行 (とある魔術の禁書目録)). They both probably have enough sources to meat GNG. Link20XX (talk) 13:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
• I support. The article is getting quite long, so an opportunity like this seems worth attempting, and like Link20xx notes, they both likely meet GNG. If you're still interested in splitting these articles after the discussion went dormant for so long, that is. Canadianerk (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I support. Also, I'm very late. Ryanisgreat4444 (talk) 14:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support Partofthemachine (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support Lovelyquirks1 (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support under the condition that the text has to be translated from their corresponding original Japanese articles. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 07:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support --Pazio Paz (talk) 02:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)