Talk:Kurdistan/Archive 8

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Azadikurdish (talk) 21:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

change grammar issues

To editor Azadikurdish: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 01:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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change some minor grammar in titles and adding more sources to the history of Kurds Azadikurdish (talk) 21:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

To editor Azadikurdish:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 01:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Northern/Turkish Kurdistan

I can understand having 'Northern Kurdistan (Turkey)' in the infobox, or 'Turkish Kurdistan' without mentioning the state. But having 'Turkish Kurdistan (Turkey)' seems redundant to me. While all of these three could be argued to have a Turkish nationalist point of view (by acknowleging a Turkish claim to any part of Kurdistan), we seem to be stuck with them. I'm not a Turkish nationalist, and I hope I'm not accused of having that POV in future. Konli17 (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Parts of Kurdistan

The conventional wisdom talks about three parts of Kurdistan; in Turkey, Iran and Iraq. See these reference books on Kurds/Kurdistan for example:

• David McDowall, 1997. A Modern History of the Kurds
• Denise Natali, 2005. The Kurds and the State: Evolving National Identity in Iraq, Turkey, and Iran.
• Edgar O'Ballance, 2004. The Kurdish Struggle

While Kurds do live in Syria (various parts), no Syrian territory is considered part of Kurdistan, which is also echoes in the Treaty of Sevres map. We can refer to the presence of Kurdish-inhabited areas in northeaster Syria, but it is a mistake to refer to that as part of Kurdistan. Otherwise, we would be also calling Armenian Kurdistan, German Kurdistan (parts of German suburbs)? Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 21:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Wrong. Konli17 (talk) 17:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan is inside Western Armenia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacetowikied (talk • contribs) 18:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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In the lead, after "geo-cultural territory", can we add in Western Asia for further clarification?2603:8081:160A:BE2A:75FA:DE60:5BDC:ECA2 (talk) 22:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done, and thank you very much for the article improvement! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 00:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Kurds are known for their honesty, courage, commitment, and hospitality. Mohitchairu (talk) 20:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Terasail^[Talk] 21:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Greater Kurdistan

The term 'Greater Kurdistan' keeps popping up on Kurdistan-related article. Does anyone know who uses this term, or where it comes from? Currently it redirects to this article, but I believe it could make a good article in its own right, for showing the more ambitious Kurdish nationalist plans, e.g. those with a Kurdish state having coasts on both the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean. Konli17 (talk) 14:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

This is another Kurdish propaganda that has no merit to be entertained here. Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean? How funny! Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you never seen Kurdish nationalist maps that propose this? Konli17 (talk) 15:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The “Greater” simply speaks to the fact that it is the ‘whole’ of all the parts (the 4 regions), similar to how Great Britain is used (for England, Scotland, and Wales), or even more specifically other areas such as Greater Albania, Greater Armenia, Greater Iran, Greater China, Greater Romania etc.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I've always understood 'Greater' (when used in this context) to refer to irredentist ambitions, usually based on historical regions. The first of the three examples you give using 'Greater' is explicit about this irredentism; Great Britain isn't relevant here as its 'Great' came from the French term, to distinguish it from Brittany (Gran Bretagne/Bretagne). For me, use of the term 'Greater Kurdistan' projects the irredentism of the states that control Kurdistan onto Kurdish aspirations i.e., that Kurdish nationalists seek to dominate some of their neighbours who live outside Kurdish areas by incorporating them into a Kurdish state against their will. There are other ways to express the different meanings of Kurdistan than this phrase. Konli17 (talk) 13:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Konli17, It is quite possible that when some use “Greater Kurdistan” they mean it in an irredentist way, however I would also argue it serves a practical function. Namely, to refer to the potential entity encompassing all 4 directional regions and denote that you are meaning the “whole” of Kurdistan, and not solely any one part the speaker might be speaking of. A person in Erbil might say “I am in Kurdistan” and only mean “I am in the Kurdistan region of Iraq” (for instance), or they may mean “I am in the wider geo-cultural entity of Kurdistan as popularly conceived amongst most Kurds”, or they could mean “I am in the wider not yet existing entity (politically at least) of an independent Kurdistan comprising all 4 parts, which by the way should exist” – which has a much larger intended meaning. But beyond this, "Greater Kurdistan" is used as an alternative name in the lead because the reliable utilized reference does so, and that term redirects to this article as well. When someone says or writes "Greater Kurdistan" (a common term easily found in many sources), they mean what this article is talking about, i.e. the larger 4 region Kurdish entity. As editors we are not here to argue whether such an entity is justified or not, but merely note its linguistic existence.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 06:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree it has this practical function, but given the association of 'Greater' with expansionist nationalism, I'd prefer another formula and have a problem with the prominence given this one. To me, 'Greater Kurdistan' summons an image of the more ambitious maps of Kurdistan, those with coasts on the Indian Ocean and Mediterranean. Konli17 (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Transcaucasia & Red Kurdistan

Semsûrî seems determined to include the idea of Kurdistansky Uyezd (“Red Kurdistan”) into the modern conception of Kurdistan, based on its 1923-1929 existence; however I feel this does not line up with the majority of reliable sources. First, there are very few Kurds left in that area following Soviet deportations in the 1930s and 40s, and the area is not connected to the other 4 regions based on cardinal compass directions. While I believe it is notable enough to include mention of “Red Kurdistan” in the lead as a historical example of an administrative area controlled by Kurds in the 20th century (along with the Republic of Mahabad which Semsûrî keeps reverting out for some reason), I don’t see justification for making the reader believe that there is any kind of attempt to resurrect “Red Kurdistan” or include "southern Transcaucasia" territory within Azerbaijan or Armenia as part of Kurdistan in the present day.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 17:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

You base your edit on your baseless claims, that's the problem. First of all, you write ' based on its 1923-1929 existence ' but that's not true. Kurds lived in that region all the way up to the 1990s until they were expelled by Armenian forces during the war with Azerbaijan.[1] The text simply defined the boundaries of Kurdistan, nothing about Kurdish irredentism also including Caucasus-territory. --Semsûrî (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Semsûrî, an area having any Kurdish population is not the only variable for being perceived as part of Kurdistan generally in the modern era. For instance, there are large Kurdish populations (also by %) in central Turkey, Istanbul, and Khorasan Province in NE Iran, but these areas are also not usually included in the wider conception of Kurdistan (based on several factors, including them not being congruously connected) to the four main regions (N,S,E,W). Parts of Azerbaijan or Armenia are not often included in maps of Kurdistan in the present day. However, yes, it is notable to mention “Red Kurdistan” and its historical existence, along with the others I have recently added (Ararat, Kingdom etc) in my recent additions. The dispute we are having is that you are contending that the majority of sources consider “Red Kurdistan” to be part of a present-day notion of Kurdistan. I think that would need to be proven here in the TP as it does not line up with the majority of the sources in my view.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 18:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redthoreau: I'm not referring to Kurdish enclaves nor am I claiming that cities like Istanbul or Ankara are Kurdistan. However, Kurdistan does in fact stretch into the South Caucasus (which this map also vaguely notes[2]) and moreover from West Azerbaijan Province into Nakhchivan. The only reason "Red Kurdistan" was mentioned in parenthesis in my version is due to the fact that it is/was the largest Kurdish community in the whole Caucasus region and thus a note for readers. If your main issue is the mentioning of Red Kurdistan, we can easily solve it by removing it from the sentence that defines the geography of Kurdistan. However, areas in South Caucasus are in fact connected to Kurdish-populated areas in Turkey and I still believe that should at least be mentioned. Even if Kurds explicitly refrain from claiming the areas in South Caucasus in their quest for independence. --Semsûrî (talk) 18:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Semsûrî:, if your contention is that Transcaucasia or the South Caucasus (I'm not sure which you prefer) is universally seen as a 5th region of Kurdistan currently, and that it should be noted, I think that could be possible. However, I remain unconvinced that the majority of sources consider it so. What are some of the sources you’re using to base that off of? And what wording do you believe would fix your concern? For instance, if the lead sentence said:

Contemporary use of the term refers primarily to the following four areas: southeastern Turkey (Northern Kurdistan), northern Syria (Western Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan), and northwestern Iran (Eastern Kurdistan), and to a less degree the South Caucasus.

Would this be enough? As "Red Kurdistan" is already mentioned elsewhere in the lead. Or do you think there should be no delineation from the 4 cardinal direction regions (N,S,E,W) and the South Caucasus?  Redthoreau -- (talk) 05:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redthoreau: I'm not fond of the wording Contemporary use to be honest. What about: Kurdistan roughly encompasses southeastern Turkey, northern Syria, northern Iraq and northwestern Iran. Other definitions include parts of southern Transcaucasia.?

Encyclopaedia of Islam excludes Caucasus, while World Encyclopedia by Oxford University Press includes it and quotes are present.--Semsûrî (talk)

@Semsûrî:, the reason I think ‘contemporary’ is helpful, is that the spatial conception of Kurdistan is fluid (like most areas that experience war, invasion, migration etc), and it establishes that these are the currently perceived regions. This places the burden of sourcing only in the present day, and not on whether a certain area was considered “Kurdistan” 150 years ago etc – which seems to be where much of the Talk Page disputes arrive from on the various Kurdish-related regions.

However, placing 'contemporary' aside, and using your wording as the basis, I think I would adapt it to:

Kurdistan generally encompasses the following four areas: southeastern Turkey (Northern Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan), northwestern Iran (Eastern Kurdistan), and northern Syria (Western Kurdistan). Some definitions also include parts of southern Transcaucasia.

I would use “generally” rather than “roughly” (which appears twice in the first lead paragraph already), and “some” rather than “other” since not all do as you display, and adjust the listed order to match the N,S,E,W order found in the infobox. Your thoughts?  Redthoreau -- (talk) 23:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redthoreau: I can support that quote but don't know if the N,S,E,W in parenthesis is needed at all when its already mentioned in the infobox. --Semsûrî (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Semsûrî:, I believe the N,S,E,W are necessary because they help the reader conceptualize why and how these 4 regions fit together to make the whole (since many may not be geographically aware how these relate to one another). In fact, I would contend it is potentially the most important detail of the entire lead in understanding what makes up Kurdistan for a novice to the topic.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Redthoreau: Alright, the sentence should be changed to the second quote then. --Semsûrî (talk) 11:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Semsûrî:, ok. I have done so.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Example needed tag

Semsûrî, what do you mean "source needed or is it OR?" ? Its an academic scholar source published by the University of Cambridge. Its trustworthy and no further example is needed. And if you want an example here it is: Al Jazira region of Syria. An area that was minority kurdish and kurds saw it as "Kurdistan" --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

You should add a source that states that an example of this is Al-Jazira which is claimed as majority-Kurdish by Kurds despite not being so, then. --Semsûrî (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

The academic source does not say "claimed as majority-Kurdish by Kurds despite not being so" it says: "These maps have become some of the most influential propaganda tools for the Kurdish nationalist discourse. They depict a territorially exaggerated version of the territory of Kurdistan, extending into areas with no majority Kurdish populations.". As an example you can see this map from the institutkurde.org [3] It shows half of Hatay/Alexandretta province as being part of Kurdistan. The population is mainly Alawite Arabs, Sunni Arab and Sunni Turks, historically also Christian, Armenian and Circassian. Kurds have never been close to being a majority there. Yet this map shows half the area as being "Kurdistan" including a large section of coastal Mediterranean land. Kurdistan is a Mediterranean country now all of a sudden? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Like who used the maps? The by far most influential Kurdish party now is the PYD and they are clearly not nationalist and encourage other nations to live in cultural freedom. If some minor Kurdish party promotes a nationalist discourse, it should be noted that the discourse is of a minority of the Kurds. The Institute Kurd also shows other maps like those which show mainly the area where Kurds live/d historically. I'll check if the Institute Kurd map is really shown as a source for the book of Zeynep Kaya.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I never said the Institute Kurd map is shown as a source for the book of Zeynep Kaya. Semsûrî asked for an example and I provided one where Kurds have created a map that shows non-kurdish majority areas as Kurdistan. A similar map reaching to the Mediterranean can also be seen here: [4] That map is from a "Kurdish delegation" in 1956.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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PLEASE ADD the KURDISTAN flag. Koerdistangov (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I think you're thinking of Kurdistan Region. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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Dangling sentence?

Hi, lede, 3. para, 2.sentence: "While there were a large number of disparate Kurdish dynasties, emirates, principalities and chiefdoms established from the 8th to 19th centuries." The "while" leads me to expect more. T 84.208.86.134 (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Correction suggestion

“Kurdistan generally comprises the following four regions: southeastern Turkey (Northern Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan), northwestern Iran (Eastern Kurdistan), and northern Syria (Western Kurdistan).” Excuse me, but about that last part, shouldn’t it be northeastern Syria? --101.173.70.10 (talk) 03:22, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant change

Paradise Chronicle, what does KDPS cultivating Kurdish culture through Kaveh the Blacksmith and the books of Ahmad Khani and Cigerxwîn has to do with this "Kurdistan" article? [5]--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Kurdistan is my country Bakhtearh (talk) 05:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Population numbers outdated and false

It says that Northern Kurdistan (Turkey) has a population of 6-8 million and the source is a citation from a BBC article in 2007. Kurdish sources have numbers closer to 20 million. Please update numbers and use credible sources. 90.143.246.139 (talk) 13:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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The current information about Kurdish population is outdated, it says 6-8 million Kurds live in Northern Kurdistan (Turkey) And the source is a citation from a bbc news article way back in 2007. My Kurdish sources have numbers closer to 20 million. Please update and use credible sources. 90.143.246.139 (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Please change the map, it is wrong !!! The first thing i saw is that Kirkuk is not within the kurdish borders and it should be !!! 89.205.130.103 (talk) 09:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Etymology section confusion + Delineation redundancy

The etymology section links to Wikipedia's "-stan" page that explains the meaning of this suffix. That page says the literal meaning of -stan is "place abounding of" or "place of many [subject]". On Wikipedia's Kurdistan page, it says the literal meaning from Persian is "Land of [the Kurds]". Land of the Kurds vs Place with many Kurds are quite different. Given the tensions between different ethnic groups all living in and making claims to the same modern Turkey/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Kurdistan area, there should be more detail explaining the differences between the original literal Persian term and the modern political term. It seems like an irredentist bias to have the text as it is presented now. A small point, but it is the etymology section, where these types of small points should be clarified.

Delineation should be a separate section, and include more sources than one publication. Preferably, it should be merged it with the Geography section, given the single source quotation lists geographical points that speculate on territory markers. 81.233.199.126 (talk) 21:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Greater Kurdistan

Greater Kurdistan is bigger than the CIA map, maybe show an example of what Greater Kurdistan is? Krqftan (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

No mention of Armenian Genocide?

A lot of the Genocide was carried out in the now–Kurdish-inhabited areas of modern-day Turkey, by Kurds, too. Since this is the entire reason that most of Western Armenia (the so-called "Eastern Anatolia") is currently majority Kurd, I believe that this merits a mention in this article; the two are inextricably linked. 76.10.12.21 (talk) 08:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Page improvements

Add Kurdistan Portal and "Kurds" template Krqftan (talk) 11:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

flag

add the kurdistan flag to the template. similar to other pages like abkhazia, palestine, South Ossetia... you get the point Krqftan (talk) 21:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

"As of"

The phrase "as of" appears 4 times:

Section 2.3 Modern history, last paragraph, first sentence: "the instability in Syria and Iraq that exists as of 2014".

In Section 2.3.3 Syrian Civil War, 2nd sentence: "As of 2015, Turkey was actively supporting Al-Nusra, but as of January 2017, Turkey's foreign ministry has said".

Section 4.6 Petroleum and mineral resources, 4th paragraph: "As of July 2007, the Kurdish government solicited".

Since it's now 2022 the above phrases need editing. Mcljlm (talk) 05:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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At the end of the article appears this sentence:

In July 2012, Turkey and the Kurdistan Region signed an agreement by which Turkey will supply the KRG with refined petroleum products in exchange for crude oil. Crude deliveries are expected to occur on a regular basis.

Please replace it with this:

In July 2012, Turkey and the Kurdistan Region signed an agreement by which Turkey would regularly supply the KRG with refined petroleum products in exchange for crude oil.

This is over a decade old, so "will supply" is inappropriate, and the second sentence (predicting what would happen) is problematic because we shouldn't report past predictions as if they're likely to occur in the future. Throwing "regularly" into the first sentence resolves this problem. 175.39.61.121 (talk) 19:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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In the introduction, please remove this:

There were a large number of disparate Kurdish dynasties, emirates, principalities and chiefdoms established

and add this:

Many disparate Kurdish dynasties, emirates, principalities, and chiefdoms were established

"There were a large number of" is simply wordy; it can easily be replaced with "many", and then you just need to add a verb later in the sentence. Also, I added a serial comma because it's used earlier in the introduction, in the phrase "Kurdish culture, languages, and national identity". 175.39.61.121 (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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In this phrase:

Syria(KDPS) were

Please add a space between "Syria" and the parenthesis. 175.39.61.121 (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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In this sentence:

In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until 1991;

Please replace the semicolon with a full stop. Immediately after the semicolon is an independent clause whose first word is capitalised, and the topic isn't so closely related that the two should be one sentence joined by a semicolon. 175.39.61.121 (talk) 19:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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This sentence is clearly ungrammatical.

Large part of water to the neighbor countries come from it.

You can replace it with

It is the source for much of the water supply for neighboring countries.

If you have a better idea how to word it, please do. 175.39.61.121 (talk) 19:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:36, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Water resources section

It says in the water resources section; "Kurdistan is a region relatively rich in water, especially for countries in the Middle East region. It is the source for much of the water supply for neighboring countries. It means that political stability and peace in the region are important to the water supply of the region and preventing wars." .. but if we look at the sources they are talking about "Iraqi Kurdistan", not "Kurdistan". Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I have checked the source and I have only read a bit to double check if it is true what you mentioned and to see if it contains copyvio which it seemed like. It is paraphrased, but it seems carefully. The Water sources section doesn't contain copyvio according to earwig and the source treats rivers in Turkey, Iran and Iraq.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

The newsecuritybeat.org source:[6] talks about the KRG in northern Iraq, "A Watershed Moment for Iraqi Kurdistan", "Iraqi Kurdistan is blessed with abundant water resources, but these resources are under increasing stress."..."Iraqi Kurdistan—the area controlled by the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq—is blessed with abundant hydrocarbons and water resources. Rivers fed by the snowcapped Zagros Mountains,", the rudaw source is unreliable and can not be used in wikipedia.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Change Image

Hello administrators, please change the image of this article if you can because it is incorrect.

This is the correct picture: File:600px-Kurdistan (orthographic projection).png Mamozk (talk) 08:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

I have made a correct version of this as an SVG using the CIA map here: File:Kurdish-inhabited areas (orthographic projection with inset).svg, after a request at the graphics lab. – Isochrone (T) 16:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Kurds "Iranian ethnic group" RFC

Editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kurds#RFC: Iranian ethnic group. Levivich (talk) 00:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Today part of

Hi. The phrase is used in articles about old states that don't exist today. Aminabzz (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Really? Which? ExpatSalopian (talk) 22:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Locked article needs minor edit

Just search for "is was" ExpatSalopian (talk) 22:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Aintabli (talk) 00:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Can someone upload this map from 1892 by F. R. Maunsell?

https://www.geographicus.com/P/AntiqueMap/kurdistan-maunsell-1894

"The earliest printed map specifically of Kurdistan - and a politically charged discovery resonant with modern times. Published in 1894, this map is based upon the firsthand exploration of Captain F. R. Munsell, who visited the region as British spy in the summer of 1892." 70.29.13.216 (talk) 04:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The map is already at Commons https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdistan_map_1892.jpg]]. Semsûrî (talk) 11:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add it to the page. I cannot edit since it's locked 70.29.13.216 (talk) 09:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Misinformation

the information is rong like how many kurds there are and when it was created Mrkurdari (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)