Talk:Kings Park, Western Australia

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another image if required:

Kings Park War Memorial and Eternal Flame

cheers Nachoman-au 12:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

• Great picture ;) - Gobeirne 08:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Statues

Anyone interested in separate identification of the guns etc along the main walk from the Clock at the top of the hill to the war memeorial? for? against? (hi ian) User:SatuSuro 15:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. By the clock, I assume you mean Edith Dircksey Cowan Memorial. The guns nearby are ex Boar War from memory, but a complete inventory would be good. -- I@n ≡ talk 15:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The walk (ie Fraser Avenue before it was a bitumenised road) from the top of Mount Street/Kings Park Road top of hill - across to where the War Memorial - was a real "promenade" walk area in the 1890's and 1900's early - there a some very good photos that show this somewhere... User:SatuSuro 15:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I have photographed pretty much all of the statues and attractions [1] a few months ago. One day (hopefully soon) I will upload them to commons if someone wants to expand this article. Nachoman-au 09:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Gallery

For the moment I think its worth leaving the gallery inposition but as the article developes those images not incorporated into the article will be removed as they are all available on commons. Gnangarra 08:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The Wagyl

The story as I received it, a 2nd-hand version of a Dreaming, is that the Wagyl was a large River Python. Its reputed sleeping place under Mt Eliza by the old Brewery site was a natural suntrap, ideal for a reptile of this type. Its arrival at Mt Eliza seems to coincide with an earthquake type event which re-routed the Swan River -- or possibly made the Swan River, by breaking a natural dam holding the waters of Yenyening Lakes or maybe Lake Yealering -- from its earlier course through the Innaloo wetlands to Trigg.

It seems that this snake may have disappeared with the rest of the mega-fauna... Gordon | Talk, 5 November 2006 @11:15 UTC

there is this article on the Wagyl, the story as know is that the wagyl formed the waterways around the noongar lands and that after creating the swan/canning system the wagyl enter into Mt eliza at the spring near the brewery where it still rests. Gnangarra 12:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Perth Park

Poole was largely responsible for seeing Septimus's plan realised and the first chairman of board. Also first plans including terraces on slopes, et al. Planted first Lemon-scented gums. This may be a lead to expand but i dont want to trample around this very good article. Fred.e 17:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Bali Memorial

I dont think the Bali memorial details need to actually detail the bombing. This is an article about Kings Park (and therefore the Memorial's), not the Bali Bombings. The Bali Bombing details need to be removed and the details I added about the Memorial need to be re-instated. (unsigned message from matsando) Also, I have loads of Photos I have taken in Kings park in my Photobucket gallery. I wish to add these to the article, can anyone advise me how?

Mattsando

Here is a quote from mediastatements.wa.gov.au

"Design 'A' features the construction of specially designed walls that will frame the sunrise axis every year on October 12," he said.

"It also makes creative use of natural materials and native plants.

"It will be a fitting and tasteful memorial to the 16 Western Australians killed on October 12 last year and there is also scope to recognise the selfless efforts of those volunteers, health workers and emergency service personnel who took part in the Bali evacuation."

The Premier also thanked the families for their input and patience during the whole public consultation process.

"I recognise it has been a terribly difficult time for the families and we have done everything possible to involve and inform them during the consultation process," he said.

By using this and other statements from the web and other sources, a few simple sentences can accurately describe this memorial and associated facts. I believe other pages discuss the details, including the one under the heading. Hope this helps. Fred 09:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The media statement above would seem to be a good basis to fix the existing section. I think it's more relevant to a WA memorial that 16 Western Australians (and 88 Australians more broadly) died than its particular impact on Indonesian history or wider context. Orderinchaos78 13:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've copy edited it to general information about the event in relation to WA. What it needs is details on the designed, this reference is dicussing the design but the language isnt definative to the describe the alignment of the memorial to sunrise on oct 12 nor the structure... Gnangarra 13:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Your edits look good. I'll check the West to see if that was discussed there when the formal launch took place Orderinchaos78 13:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Can't find anything yet, but found a few subsidiary references - "Deluge on hold but no dry eye" - Steve Pennells, The West Australian, 13 October 2003 says the memorial was formally opened on the first anniversary, with 4,000 attendees. "10,000 expected at service" - Peta Hellard, The Sunday Times, 12 October 2003, p.9, gave details of the then-proposed service, including speeches by Premier Gallop and Governor Sanderson, and noted the Bali Memorial Steering Committee chairman was Mark McGowan MLA. Source for 16 West Australians and Mark McGowan also at ABC [2] ECU mag confirms the meadia statement above [3] but I'm not sure if that counts as an RS, or whether it should simply be used as a minesite for queries on other publications. Orderinchaos78 14:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Another memorial

Pioneer women's memorial. mention in Hansard ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 18:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

President Forrest?

(Discussion copied from Talk:John Forrest)

I found a statue in Kings Park (Image:John Forrest statue at Kings Park.jpg) that clearly is a statue of John Forrest (name and birth/death dates match) and claims he was "FIRST PRESIDENT OF THIS PARK", yet this is not mentioned in this article. Is it true? Dcoetzee 06:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The founding of Kings Park (Perth Park) needs improving, there is a reference to George Temple-Poole as the first chairman of the 'Board'. cygnis insignis 08:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Image gallery - removal

I have removed the image gallery as per WP:MOS and Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Photo_galleries as all the image are now available on commons, with one exception that has been included within the text.

Additionally the image of the Perth Skyline from the KP doesnt contribute to the understanding/identification of the park that warrants it being in the lead of the article, hence why I removed it. Gnangarra 13:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

In fact if you counted the number of times Perth has been photographed from kings park since cameras have been in use, if you put them side by side they would probably cover perth water SatuSuro 22:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Other walks

According to Kings Park's web site, there are more walks than we have listed in our article. We should add the extra walks to our article. (I'd just fix it myself, but I don't have the time at the moment.) Mitch Ames (talk) 03:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames: I know this is an old thread, but it looks like it was never resolved and recently came up again when talking about maps. Would there be any objections to renaming this section to “Walks in and around Kings Park”, and moving section Jacob’s Ladder under this section? Maybe also then adding a map depicting all the various walks? Betterkeks (talk) 03:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

See #Maps below (because Gnangarra has already replied there, and I don't want to fragment the discussion further.) Mitch Ames (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Article title

Why is it named Kings Park, Western Australia and not Kings Park, Perth? It is clearly in Perth. We don't say: Hyde park, England, do we? - BorisG (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah well - youre using the point bit like the arguments we have in Afd's and Cfd's- there are sometimes odd usages - the assumption that anyone might have a usage for somewhere else does not necessarily give us the perogative, you have only to look at the pointless arguments about Perth, Australia and Perth, Western Australia on this wiki and commons to understand the oddities of the situation - take for instance the restuarant - http://www.frasersrestaurant.com.au/ - they specify western australia - and if you look in the trove entries http://trove.nla.gov.au/ for the various incarnations of the board - it says xxx western australia - If you are worried about it, I have just checked - there is a redirect page with 'Kings Park, Perth' SatuSuro 09:04, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

SatuSuro your passage is long but I can't figure out what the reason for this name is. Is it because you think it is the official name? Obviously not http://www.bgpa.wa.gov.au/, it's not part of the name . Maybe a more plausible reason is that technically it is not in Perth CBD, but in West Perth. Still a bit awkward, not to mention that there may be another Kings Park in Albany or Broome. Anyway, I am not going to lose any sleep over this. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Fed cup succession box - not appropriate

I propose that the Fed cup succession box, recently added to the bottom of the article is not appropriate and should be removed. It would probably be more useful to mention (as a link) the Fed cup in a relevant section of the Kings Park article (presumably Royal King's Park Tennis Club, and list all the venues in the Fed cup article. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I have never seen a more bizarre succession box. Sorry. - BorisG (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the succession box, and added a sentence to the Royal King's Park Tennis Club section referring to the 1971 Federation Cup. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Size

The article claims that Kings Park is the largest inner city park in the world, but I haven't found additional information to support this claim, so I've marked it as dubious. Does anyone have other source material? Paris1127 (talk) 06:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It depends on your definition of "inner city" but this seems to indicate otherwise. Melburnian (talk) 07:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Well it appears nowhere on that list, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not the largest in some category. Either way, the reference for that link is a bit biased in my opinion, so I'm not too sure of its accuracy. That being said, I'm not entirely comfortable deleting the comment without some definitive proof. Paris1127 (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

We should be very careful about using that list in this discussion. For example, 24,310ha will never in a year of Sundays fit inside Cape Town, SA. And, as it happens, it doesn't. It is fairly obvious that using a Wikipedia article as a reference is filled with problems. Of course, if someone was to differentiate in the Municipal Parks article which are actually within the cities mentioned, then we might make progress. Having said that, looking at the provided listing, Kings Park is a couple of hectares larger than Monsanto Forest Park in Lisbon, somewhere in the middle of the list. OTOH, as judged by park size vs city size, then Kings Park might well rank higher. 203.161.102.82 (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Kings Park is similar in composition to the Eilenriede in Hanover, which is aroud 640 ha. Although the Eilenriede considers itself a municipal forest, the similarities to Kings Park are striking and they should therefore be considered as equals. Betterkeks (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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Maps

The new maps can they be modified to make the lines smaller the bold red is just too much. Also with colour please do not use Red/Green together as that inhibits the ability of colour blind people accessing the information. I have have hidden the Jacobs ladder map as it doesnt fit within the section... and has no labelling to describe what is being spoken about, this also ignores the fact that Jacobs ladder isnt part of Kings Park. Gnangarra 15:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gnangarra: Should the entire section on Jacobs ladder be removed? Betterkeks (talk) 13:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@Gnangarra: How about renaming “Walks” to “Walks in and around Kings Park”, and then moving “Jacob’s Ladder” into that section? And maybe add a map depicting all of these walks? Betterkeks (talk) 03:27, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Betterkeks: there is still a lot of additional information to be expanded upon and ultimately separated out in to daughter articles, adding more to that list isnt going to be constructive. I would think creating a new set of articles about the walks in Perth, West Perth, Subiaco, and Nedlands is the logical way for that information to progress. Gnangarra 03:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The problem with "... around Kings Park" is that there's no definite limit, hence the risk that it then turns into an ever-expanding list. Also, see #Jacob's Ladder below. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Gnangarra: The width and colour can be changed. Dark red at 3px seems to work, IMHO. But it’s subjective. I’m open minded, so if you have some suggestions I’ll try it.Betterkeks (talk) 13:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The border changes as the map is scaled, the colour issue is an on going discussion at the WikiClubWest meetups because of its complexity with using open street maps and working with a colour blindness issue. Gnangarra 03:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Jacob's Ladder

(New section, so we can discuss this item in particular without it getting mixed up with #Maps.)

I propose that the Jacob's Ladder section be removed from the Kings Park article, on the grounds that it is (quite explicitly) not part of Kings Park. Do other editors have an opinion on this? Mitch Ames (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

• agree with Mitch its not within Kings Park, therefore shouldn't be incorporated. Gnangarra 08:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
• Agree. It is a well-known feature though. Would an article with just the material in that section be acceptable? A map showing location is easy, and if there isn’t already a photograph around I can take one this week sometime on the way to work. But is that enough? Betterkeks (talk) 10:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Edith Dircksey Cowan Memorial

Edith Dircksey Cowan Memorial is not in Kings Park either: it is at the entrance. As I read it though, it should be and only isn’t because of gender bias at the time it was erected. Without wanting to become embroiled in controversy, should reference to this monument be removed as well (and continuing a wrong), or should it be kept in recognition of the context?

I'd be inclined to keep it, because:

• While not in the Park, it is at the entrance.
• It was intended to be in the Park.

Mitch Ames (talk) 11:24, 5 November 2018 (UTC)