Talk:Junior Lake

Requested move 22 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Junior Lake (baseball) → Junior Lake – he is the primary topic. [1] [2] Joeykai (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - if we search "Junior Lake is" Google Books then clearly Junior Lake (Vancouver Island) has a claim to primary topic. But given the real lake fails to pass both the criteria for primary topic, there is, as so often, no primary topic. Leave as is. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support - I think a google books search is not a particularly useful way of searching.. a straight up google search or a google news search reveals far more on the baseball player.. Plus the Vancouver Lake article currently has only one line and no substantial sourcing so it may not even pass GNG in its current state. Spanneraol (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - If the baseball player becomes truly famous I could see arguing that he is the primary topic. But as for now I agree with In ictu oculi that there is no primary topic. Rlendog (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support 90-day page views for at http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Junior%20Lake%20%28baseball%29 is 3040. 90-day page views for at http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Junior%20Lake%20%28Vancouver%20Island%29 is 114. Based on viewership data there is a clear primary.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:25, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per IIO and Rlendog; no pennants, no world series, was placed on waivers after third season(!!), no awards, so seemingly not overly notable. Being in his prime and placed on waivers for any team to take instead of being traded not a good career so far. WP:RECENTISM for being placed on waivers and being claimed -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:54, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Look at WP:PRIMARY. The only Junior Lake is the baseball player and the actual lake. Page view statistics, internal wikilinks, and english sources all point to the baseball player being far more notable. Joeykai (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Per TonyTheTiger's evidence, this is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in a WP:TWODABS situation. "Junior Lake" baseball also returns several times more Google News hits than "Junior Lake" Vancouver (and most of the latter are actually for the ball player). Despite being comparatively recent in notability, the baseball player already trumps the lake on Google Books as well: "Junior Lake" baseball returns 77, compared to 26 for "Junior Lake" Vancouver.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support per the evidence provided by TonyTheTiger and User:Cuchullain. There is also the matter of significance - specifically, how little of it the actual lake seems to have. It appears to have an article simply because almost every lake qualifies for an article under WP:NGEO, which is fine, but that should be kept in mind when deciding what is and is not a primary topic. The article on the actual lake is one sentence long. The article on Vancouver Island, where the lake is, doesn't even mention it. Egsan Bacon (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Clearly meets the usage criterion of primary topic (no one could debate that) and the lake in Vancouver is so obscure I don't think a credible argument can be made that it is more educationally significant. Jenks24 (talk) 10:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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