Talk:Hurt (Nine Inch Nails song)

Meaning?

• I visited this wiki page hoping to find some interpretation of the songs lyrics but found none. Should.t a wiki page about a song also explain the author's or some other people view on the song meaning ?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.238.169 (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • You expected too much from wikidelete. I'd heard more anecdotally than this article contained and worse still the deletions didn't not get much mention on the talk pages requesting further sources. Out of sight is out of mind. Wikifail. -- 109.77.223.182 (talk) 02:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
• I Came to see wheter or not the original track was suppose to sound mest up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.28.160 (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

being a musician myself i've found that the lyrics depict trent's battle with addiction. the verses show deprssiom and anguish for past actions, while the prechourus and chorus show a glimer of hope, then eventually turning back to the diminished b chord to symbolize that there is no hope. but that's just my interpritation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.35.25.3 (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

• I'd heard the original song was all about drug additiction, a topic Mr. Cash could equally relate too. Unfortunately the article has been whitewashed of this, most likely due to the nihilistic deletionist tendencies -- super trolls frankly -- that is prevelant and destroying Wikipedia. The article entirely lacks any lyrical analysis, even the simplest comment on "the needle" is lacking. I stopped editing wikipedia but even reading the articles and the talk pages all insight is still buried deep in the article history by malicious and anti-constructivist editors. -- 109.77.223.182 (talk) 02:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Trent Raznor finally talked about the song's story arc and how it evolved in the Netflix series "Song Exploder: How music gets made"; part 2, episode 3, released in 2020 site on Netflix. in short: the song is about all the things you do to yourself and reflect upon it after doing it. Like the character on the concept album did in that said son. Saemikneu (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure that it also has something to do with Jeff Ward. He may not want to talk about it, but I believe he felt responsible for both the addiction and the suicide.

There are lines in the song that can’t be explained by “man vs. himself.” It’s clearly a type of dialogue, as well.

”I will let you down …” 173.225.203.234 (talk) 09:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Covers

• I removed some questionable performances from the covers section. David Bowie has never sung or recorded his own version of "Hurt," he only performed it live as a duet with Nine Inch Nails (source: Illustrated DB Discography) and this performance is already mentioned in the article. Tori Amos' covers of "Hurt" appear to be relegated to using the first line only in live improvisations (source: HEREINMYHEAD.com lyrics page). -- Rynne 16:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Well, I originally had a link to coversproject so that users could evaluate these claims for themselves, but that link too got reverted in the original rewrite -- without explanation. Jacqui ^★ 16:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry, I apologise for not providing an explanation. I was a bit confused about the wording as it was written. Since "Hurt" is one of NIN's most well-known songs, I wasn't sure how to evaluate the wording of the stub that allluding that the song might be "most notable for being covered by many artists." It seemed that—aside from Cash's version—those covers were notable for being covers of NIN and not vice versa. For examples, the Razor Skyline cover is on a NIN tribute record, and the Tori Amos improvs seem important in context of her relationship with the songwriter (i.e., Reznor) instead of with the song. As such, the presence of those covers didn't seem to assert the notability of the song itself, so I left them out when expanding the stub. -- Rynne 04:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

ATLITW lyrics

There's no need to put away in brackets in "All the Love in the World"'s I've become a million miles away. It's a bit difficult to hear, but the official lyrics as given on http://www.nin.com/with_teeth (registration required) show that the away is part of the song. -- Rynne 14:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Promo v Single

Hurt was only a promo. The picture that is used in the article has the words "for promotional use only" at the top. Yes, it was labelled "Halo 10", so was the promo for Piggy. But neither were officially released as commercial singles, so saying that it is a single in the article is wrong.

• …Which is exactly why the format is listed as "promotional CD" - Rynne 17:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Description of song

The current description of the song is highly speculative, and likely violates Wikipedia's original research policy. Unless Reznor has personally stated what the interpretation of the song is, we can't speculate what his intention was. On the other hand, we can report what verifiable mainstream critics thought of the song; but Wikipedia itself should not be in the business of literary criticism. Let the song speak for itself. -- The Anome 23:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've now taken out the description of the song. Please feel free to build it up again, but this time, please quote and reference verifiable sources about their interpretations of the song, rather than adding your own, unsourced, opinions about what it means. -- The Anome 23:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

An editor that was serious genuinely about wanting the details restored would never just delete them but at least move or copy them to the talk page or at worst provide a link to the revision where this information last existed.

Out of sight is out of mind and if you delete material before giving a good long time for people to respond to {{citation needed}} then you are just another deletionist, don't fool yourself otherwise.

Reznor need not state his intent, Shakespeare never did and there is an abundance of commentary on what his intent might have been. Commentary need only be from a reputable source, and in the right context even the National Enquirer can potentially be a valid source, so a music publicatoin of any merit -- even the tripe MTV barfs out -- should be reputable enough for any reasonable editor. -- 109.77.223.182 (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Song meaning

Especially with Cash's verison the song seems to be a christian song, is the song about this about christianity. Johnny Cash's video seens to point towards that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leftarmchinaman (talk • contribs) 21:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

The Downward Spiral definitely has a theme on Christianity, especially in the track "Heresy". –Pomte 03:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Also the video with the snake is a clear biblical reference. There's also the song reptilian, honey could be her need. In hurt if you replace needle with need all which is how it is sung, All occusnced of I with the word psychopaths and you with non psychopaths Then listen to it and indeed the album again. Further reptile is a common term for a psychopaths plenty of references for that eg David ike or the bible genisis. To further this the album is about Charles manson that's well documented and a helter smelter is a downward spiral Psychopathy is well documented in relation to Charles manson I hope that's a significantly more robust cross referenced intrpritation Oh also manson wanted to make music with hidden meaning in the lryics Hidden meanings have been obvious in nine inch nails later works, where Trent declared life as an art form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.127.66 (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

link to the fire

the cnn article is amiss. i've changed to the bbc news story. i'm saying this here, to not be confused with vandalism. PedroCarvalho 19:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Use of Cash version in adverts

I remember seeing a sportswear company (nike?) advert on TV in the UK which had the Cash version playing. I think it got pulled, but cant remember any more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.28.65.210 (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

More information on the Johnny Cash cover?

Does anyone have any information on specifics of the recording of the Johnny Cash cover version? In the article for the song "Personal Jesus" it was implied that Cash only sang vocals for that song while other artists recorded the instrument tracks. I was curious if it was the same situation for this song or if Cash actually played the guitar part. (Carl, January 2011) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.193.8.28 (talk) 18:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Cash's cover on TV and Movies

I know Cash's version has appeared on House, M.D.. What is the proper way to source this since it's usage on House would obviously not be well sourced, since media doesn't generally report on every little song across TV shows or movies. Would the show, season and episode number suffice? I've seen edit wars over the whole thing so I'll ask first and if no answer is given, check on it in a little bit and add the info and see what happens. Otherwise, I'll follow the response. Seola (talk) 17:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Leona Lewis Version

Is such a long section required about this version? I didn't know this version was very notable. 130.102.158.16 (talk) 01:15, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah this version seem to get more space on this page than Cash's cover. This section what what seem to be from a relatively unknown artist compared to Cash and Reznor.

Seems like Lewis's marketing team is trying to astroturf, drum up publicity. I would consider this an advert or entry by an rabid fan.

I am pulling the whole section! If you want this kept, please summarise to a much smaller section (1 para may be two at most) rather than reverting my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.148.125.246 (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Please see my further comments re revert of my edit at User_talk:Stausifr#Hurt_.28Nine_Inch_Nails_song.29

I think Leona lewis section is credible with enough coverage and references. But I do agree that its very long and big for the little importance it bears. I recommend the section truncated to a smaller version. tausif(talk) 13:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed its well written. Its probably written by a professional. As indicated earlier, it should be truncated, let see if this the marketing team can do a better job. Leaving it alone to see if they will edit (I guess they probably won't... hence my earlier decision for drastic action). I am not going to edit it, I just don't want to put a lot of effort into it only to be edited back to a large section by a team of marking professionals or a SEO ahem "professionals". 180.148.125.246 (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm trimming this down to 'other notable covers'. 'Hurt' may be important in the context of Leona Lewis's career, but she simply isn't particularly notable in the context of the song. Outside of the UK (where most fans of the song reside) she is pretty much unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.248.231 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't written by a professional, it was written by normal Wikipedia editors with no connection to Lewis. I think most of the information there is probably relevant. If anything, the other sections should be expanded. However I do find it odd that the image of Trend Reznor is in the Leona Lewis section. That should go with the Nine Inch Nails version, and a picture of Lewis in her section. –anemoneprojectors– 14:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

The image

I highly doubt the image's authenticity. Is there any source to prove that it is official? Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Eddie Guerrero tribute

The Johnny Cash version was used by WWE in a tribute video of Eddie Guerrero on RAW on November 14, 2005. This might be worth metioning in the popular culture section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marekjdj (talk • contribs) 12:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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A proposal

It seems odd that there is a header after the lead stating "Original Nine Inch Nails version". It goes without saying surely? To me this header almost implies that the NIN version is less important/significant than the Johnny C version. Should it not be removed or edited to something more appropriate? Robvanvee 11:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Song Lyrics

IF this is a WIKI it should unclude the lyrics -- 84.155.191.233 (talk) 01:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

there is the metro lyrics link to it. I found, that the word "shit" was ommited din the cash version and changed to "thornes" Saemikneu (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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Is this correct?

Is this correct?

Trent Reznor has previously commented that, after Johnny Cash covered "Hurt," it became his song...and now, whenever Nine Inch Nails performs it, they do so with Cash's arrangement. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Johnny Cash

Considering this article has a whole section on the Johnny Cash cover with SEVEN subsections, I propose that a new article be created solely about the Johnny Cash cover. Information about his cover can be moved from here to there. This article can still mention that Cash covered the song - but it should be at most a subsection - not an entire section itself. And seven subsections is way too much to navigate comfortably in an article primarily dedicated to the Nine Inch Nails version. 92.10.13.209 (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)