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Automated Peer-Review edit

Latest comment: 17 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

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  • Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
Done. Quadzilla99 05:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
They do. Quadzilla99 05:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
There isn't one. Quadzilla99 05:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 000 yards, use 000 yards, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 000 yards.[?]
Done. Quadzilla99 06:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Done. Quadzilla99 06:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.
    • many people sa
    • might be weasel words, and should be provided with proper citations (if they already do, or are not weasel terms, please strike this comment).[?]
All sourced. Quadzilla99 06:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • Avoid using contractions like (outside of quotations): Doesn't.
They are all in quotes. Quadzilla99 06:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Kmarinas86 04:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

GA on hold edit

Latest comment: 17 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria. There are a few things that should be fixed before I'll pass it.

  1. Modify the fair use for File:Giants helmet 1980-1999.gif to declare its fair use specifically for this article.
  2. In the intro, add a hyphen between 15 year in "15 year stretch".
  3. In the intro, "Handley served as coach for two disappointing seasons (1991–92), in which the Giants went from Super Bowl champions to a 6–10 record." I think you should include the 8-8 record as well, since you describe two disappointing seasons. It currently sounds like a Super Bowl was one disappointing season and 6-10 was another. Perhaps "Handley served as coach for two disappointing seasons (1991–92), in which the Giants went from Super Bowl champions to a 8-8 record in 1991 and 6–10 in 1992." or something to that effect.
  4. In the Building of a Champion: 1979-1985 section change General manager to a link to General_Manager#Sports_teams.
  5. If you can, add an inline citation for "in fact, at one point a partition was put between the two in the owner's box". If not, that's alright, you seem to already have enough.
  6. In the Building of a Champion: 1979-1985 section between the second and third paragraphs there is an extra space that should be removed. In the third paragraph add a wikilink for Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys; all of the other sport teams have one.
  7. "so as to force the Cowboys to wear their "unlucky" blue jerseys" could use an inline citation.
  8. "Brunner was especially disappointing, as he completed only 49.2% of his passes and threw 9 touchdowns against 22 interceptions." I don't think disappointing should be used, some may see it as being POV, see if another word would better replace it.
  9. In the seventh paragraph of the same section, why is "he" wikilinked in "he gives us our best chance to win right now."?
  10. In the same paragraph add a wikilink for Wild Card, some might not know what this is. Do the same for Pro Bowl a few more paragraphs down.
  11. In the paragraph beginning with "The Giants started out the 1985 season 3–1", defeated is spelled wrong in the paragraph (defeted).
  12. "The turning points of the season was a three game stretch in November." Hyphen between three game.
  13. "Trailing the Minnesota Vikings 20–19 late in the fourth quarter in the Metrodome, Phil Simms completed a desperation fourth and 17 pass to Bobby Johnson for a first down." Change desperation to desperate.
  14. "Then in the final two minutes of the game, Simms hit fan–favorite Phil McConkey for a 46 yard pass." Hyphen between 46 and yard.
  15. Add inline citation for "Taylor was so dominant that in addition to winning an unprecedented third NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award he was named NFL MVP by the Associated Press, becoming only the fourth defensive player to win the award."
  16. "The Giants received the second half kickoff, and led a short drive that stalled at their own 47 yard line." Add hyphen 47-yard.
  17. Add inline citation for "It was these 1986 Giants that popularized the football tradition of dousing the head coach with a cooler of Gatorade near the end of a victorious game."
  18. Add a wikilink for strike in the 1987-1989 section.
  19. "Taylor had abused cocaine violating the NFL's substance abuse policy and was suspended for the first four games of the season." Change to "Taylor had abused cocaine which violated the NFL's substance abuse policy and was suspended for the first four games of the season.
  20. "The Patriots played the Giants surprisingly tough, and were within 13–10 late;" should be reworded. Assume that some readers don't know what late means.
  21. "The Giants then ran a drive that took nearly 8 minutes,[39] and culminated in a 14 yard touchdown pass from Hostetler to Stephen Baker making the score 12–10 at halftime." and "The opening drive ran for over 9 minutes[39] (a Super Bowl record) and culminated in a 1 yard touchdown run by Ottis Anderson, giving the Giants a 17–12 lead." and "Both teams exchanged possessions before the Bills began one final drive. The Bills drove down to the Giants 30 yard line to set up what would be a potentially game-winning 47 yard field goal attempt by Scott Norwood." Add hyphens.
  22. In the same section, add a wikilink for ABC.
  23. According to the manual of style, the headings should usually only have the first word capitalized along with proper nouns; everything else should be lower-cased.
  24. "Handley, however, was a somewhat reluctant coach, certainly not as passionate and revered as Parcells had been." Sentence needs to be reworded, and possibly needs inline citation. "Passionate" and "revered" may be considered POV.
  25. In the 1991-1992 section, during is spelled wrong (uring).

A lot of these should be easy to correct, with mostly wikilinking, spelling, and hyphens needing to be added. The article also appears to be somewhat POV, definitely pro-Giants. If you can, please reword some of the statements that you think may be construed as POV to avoid problems down the road. Altogether, the article is very comprehensive and well-written. Fix the above suggestions within seven days and I will pass the article as a GA. Please let me know if you have any questions or when you are done on my talk page. --Nehrams2020 00:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

  1. Done.
  2. Done.
  3. Done, made it clear Parcells left after their Super Bowl win.
  4. Done.
  5. I saw that on an NFL Network program I can't really find a source right now though.
  6. Done.
  7. I couldn't find a direct source however it was a common practice back then when playing the Cowboys:[1] (See point #3)
  8. Done, changed to "had a particularly subpar season".
  9. Done, I had it linked [h]e to indicate change of capitalization from the source, I guess someone came and "fixed" it or the peer reviewer bot KMarinas used did (see above). If you use AndyZ's bot it will do that if you hit autoformat.
  10. Done.
  11. Done.
  12. Done.
  13. Done.
  14. Done.
  15. Done, although the source says he was the second defensive player to win it he was actually the fourth see NFL MVP, Marchetti and Joe Schmidt were defensive players. Here's a source to verify our list is correct:[2] Unfortunately this list doesn't list positions. To the best of my research he was the fourth to win the MVP and there's a source for his third DPOY being unprecedented. It's still the most incidentally.
  16. Done.
  17. Done, that section probably did need some citations.
  18. Done.
  19. Done.
  20. Done.
  21. Done.
  22. Done.
  23. Yeah, I knew that I don't know how I missed that.
  24. Done, worded differently and added a source. All it says now is that he was a low key coach compared to Parcells who had an emotional, passionate coaching style.
  25. Fixed.
Almost there. Quadzilla99 05:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Did some more. Quadzilla99 05:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Done. Quadzilla99 09:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

I made the following changes to use more generic, neutral language also per your recommendations:

  • "His athleticism and speed made him the prototype linebacker of the day and raised the Giants linebacker corps—which already included future Hall of Famer Harry Carson and Brad Van Pelt—into one of the NFL's best."

Changed to:

  • "To make matters worse, Phil Simms suffered a broken foot that put him on the sidelines for the rest of the season."

Changed to:

  • "To compound the team's problems, Phil Simms suffered a broken foot that put him on the sidelines for the rest of the season."
  • "However after his return Taylor played like his usual dominant self, recording 15.5 sacks in 12 games."

Changed to:

  • "However, after his return Taylor played at his normal All-Pro level, recording 15.5 sacks in 12 games." Quadzilla99 09:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

GA passed edit

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Good job on fixing all of those so quickly. If you can, add an inline citation for the partition for the box seat, but again, don't worry about it until you get a chance to get the information. Keep improving the article and consider getting a peer review or have another editor look the article over for more copyediting that I may have missed. Again, good job, it was an interesting read. --Nehrams2020 19:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Fair use rationale for File:1986Giants.jpg edit

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

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Fair use rationale for File:1990Giants.jpg edit

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

File:1990Giants.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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GA Sweeps edit

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. There is a certain amount of link rot, however. I tried to do something about this, but to limited effect. The problem is not serious enough to warrant a delisting, though. Lampman (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

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