Talk:History of basketball

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Wording

This article reads in part like it was lifted directly from its various sources, and in part like it was written by someone for whom English is a second language. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. There are many parts of this article, specifically those that are attributed to Arceri-Bianchini, that are written very poorly and are exceedingly difficult to follow. I do not believe this to be a problem inherent to the source text, but rather to the person that wrote them in this particular article. When compared to other articles dealing with similar topics, this entry is outright terrible, not necessarily in the accuracy of its content, but rather its presentation and execution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.229.142 (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Basketball Is a sport made by Russians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.187.146 (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Post-1930 history

There is no recent history: what about the ABA; what about the three-point shot, time clocks, international versus US courts, glass backboards, dunking rules, goal-tending rules, the extension of the basket into the area over the court, increased tolerance of violence/contact and what used to be palming and traveling changes in tactics, changes in shots, changes in foul rules, changing roles of the big man and other positions, and trash talking just to mention a few changes that have taken place in different areas of basketball.Kdammers (talk) 07:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I have added a little about the ABA, but much more needs to be added. There is also no mention of the Harlem Globetrotters, a team which might have been responsible for the "entertainment" aspect of pro ball as well as developing fancy ball-handling.Kdammers (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The shot clock, introduced in 1954, was crucial in making the game exciting (according to [[1]]).

There is no discussion of changes in the ball (e.g., when was pebbling of the surface introduced?).

The jump shot is said to have revolutionized play, but it is not discussed.

There is no discussion of women's basketball. Kdammers (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The whole janitor thing seems like a loaf of BS please throw in a citation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.66.26 (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Feedback requested on the best way to expand coverage of the history of women's basketball

I would like to expand the coverage of women's basketball history.

There seem to be three logical places for coverage of the history

1. Women's basketball
2. Basketball
3. History of basketball

In order to keep discussions together, I am posting this teaser on the talk pages of the three articles listed, plus the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport and Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball. I'll post a more complete post on Talk:Women's_basketball and urge anyone with any feedback to post it there.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Herkimer YMCA and Lambert Will

A counter-claim for the invention of basketball comes from two books, Frank Basloe's 1952 book "I Grew Up with Basketball: Twenty Years of Barnstorming with Cage Greats of Yesterday," and George & Darril Fosty's 2022 book, "Nais-MYTH: Basketball's Stolen Legacy." The Basloe book show photo evidence of the 1891-1892 Herkimer Basketball Team approximately one year prior to Naismith's "invention" of basketball. The Fosty's book adds two more photos of the 1892 and 1893 teams with many of the same players. The question is, either the photos are authentic or all three, in which the dates of the teams are etched into the negatives, are incorrect. Both Basloe's and the Fosty's books supplement their research with article accounts listing all the early games Herkimer was involved in prior to, and after, the first games were played in Springfield. The thesis of the book, "Nais-MYTH" is that Lambert Will, a volunteer YMCA director in Herkimer, sent the rules to Springfield in the fall of 1891 later published in January 1892 in the YMCA publication "The Triangle" under an article written by "Triangle" editor, James Naismith.

James Naismith, The Person Who Invented Basketball The instructor of this class was James Naismith, a 31-year-old graduate student. After graduating from Presbyterian College in Montreal with a theology degree, Naismith embraced his love of athletics and headed to Springfield to study physical education—at that time, a relatively new and unknown academic discipline—under Luther Halsey Gulick, superintendent of physical education at the College and today renowned as the father of physical education and recreation in the United States.

As Naismith, a second-year graduate student who had been named to the teaching faculty, looked at his class, his mind flashed to the summer session of 1891, when Gulick introduced a new course in the psychology of play. In class discussions, Gulick had stressed the need for a new indoor game, one “that would be interesting, easy to learn, and easy to play in the winter and by artificial light.” No one in the class had followed up on Gulick’s challenge to invent such a game. But now, faced with the end of the fall sports season and students dreading the mandatory and dull required gymnasium work, Naismith had a new motivation.

Two instructors had already tried and failed to devise activities that would interest the young men. The faculty had met to discuss what was becoming a persistent problem with the class’s unbridled energy and disinterest in required work.

During the meeting, Naismith later wrote that he had expressed his opinion that “the trouble is not with the men, but with the system that we are using.” He felt that the kind of work needed to motivate and inspire the young men he faced “should be of a recreative nature, something that would appeal to their play instincts.”

Before the end of the faculty meeting, Gulick placed the problem squarely in Naismith’s lap.

“Naismith,” he said. “I want you to take that class and see what you can do with it.”

So Naismith went to work. His charge was to create a game that was easy to assimilate, yet complex enough to be interesting. It had to be playable indoors or on any kind of ground, and by a large number of players all at once. It should provide plenty of exercise, yet without the roughness of football, soccer, or rugby since those would threaten bruises and broken bones if played in a confined space.

Much time and thought went into this new creation. It became an adaptation of many games of its time, including American rugby (passing), English rugby (the jump ball), lacrosse (use of a goal), soccer (the shape and size of the ball), and something called duck on a rock, a game Naismith had played with his childhood friends in Bennie’s Corners, Ontario. Duck on a rock used a ball and a goal that could not be rushed. The goal could not be slammed through, thus necessitating “a goal with a horizontal opening high enough so that the ball would have to be tossed into it, rather than being thrown.”

Naismith approached the school janitor, hoping he could find two, 18-inch square boxes to use as goals. The janitor came back with two peach baskets instead. Naismith then nailed them to the lower rail of the gymnasium balcony, one at each end. The height of that lower balcony rail happened to be ten feet. A man was stationed at each end of the balcony to pick the ball from the basket and put it back into play. It wasn’t until a few years later that the bottoms of those peach baskets were cut to let the ball fall loose.

Naismith then drew up the 13 original rules, which described, among other facets, the method of moving the ball and what constituted a foul. A referee was appointed. The game would be divided into two, 15-minute halves with a five-minute resting period in between. Naismith’s secretary typed up the rules and tacked them on the bulletin board. A short time later, the gym class met, and the teams were chosen with three centers, three forwards, and three guards per side. Two of the centers met at mid-court, Naismith tossed the ball, and the game of “basket ball” was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.176.66 (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Details badly needed

This article lacks a discussion of changes in how the game is played, such as rules (shot clock, 3-pt., dunking, goal-tending, location of the backboard) and "tools" (set shot, hook, jump shot, Alley Oop, no-llok pass), tactics and strategies (1-3-1, changing roles of forwards and guards). Also, equipment (backboards, balls, shorts) has evolved. In addition, I think audience participation has changed. I don't recall the crowd motion detraction tactics being used back in the sixties. What about cheerl-eaders? They have not been a part of the game from the beginning, have they? Kdammers (talk) 10:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Harlem Globetrotters

Why aren't the Harlem Globe-Trotters mentioned?Kdammers (talk) 10:48, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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66.232.67.115 (talk) 16:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

basketball is really fun

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideau^talk 16:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Change Nasmith to Naismith in the image quotation next to "Naismith's original rules" subsection. Ikari7789 (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 03:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC) Basketbal is not just a game it is a sport that brings people together_hanish

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New York State Basketball Hall of Fame Recognizes Lambert Will as Inventor of Basketball

NEW YORK (February 3, 2024) The New York State Baseball Hall of Fame has recognized Lambert Will as the inventor of basketball and will be inducting the former upstate New York, Herkimer native into the 2024 Hall of Fame on Sunday, April 21st.

Based on photo evidence published in the 1952 book by basketball pioneer Frank Basloe "I Grew Up with Basketball: Twenty Years of Barnstorming with Cage Greats of Yesterday" and the 2022 book written by historians George & Darril Fosty and Brion Carroll, "Nais-Myth: Basketball's Stolen Legacy" have convinced those who have closely examined the evidence that the game was invented and being played in Herkimer in 1891 one year before the game was being played in Springfield, Massachusetts.

Scott Flansburg, dubbed "The Human Calculator" and listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for speed of mental calculation, has done years of research and nominated Lambert Will for induction. Lambert was also nominated for induction into Springfield in the Class of 2023 as a builder.

According to the New York State Basketball Hall of Fame, "Just as in the case of baseball which attributed its origins to a Civil War officer, (baseball extends back several decades) basketball had been attributed to James Naismith in Kansas. As travel then was very limited, there was no TV or internet, and the origins of basketball were attributed to spoken myth and legend. The Induction of Lambert Will brings the correct focus on this young man who had a vision and a dream."

Co-author of the book Nais-Myth, George Fosty stated, "My brother and I first started researching this story after coming across Frank Basloe's book in 2010. Years of research which includes professional photos and document forensic evidence have shown without a doubt that documents and photos proving Lambert Will the inventor of basketball are indeed authentic. As such, given their dates and historical context, show that a young YMCA director named Lambert Will, and not [James] Naismith, is the true inventor of the game. Naismith only edited and published the rules a year later before falsely taking credit for the game."

New York State Basketball Hall of Fame recognizes Lambert Will as inventor of basketball (boxscorenews.com) 2001:569:FA23:F000:85F:B3C:916E:AD79 (talk) 01:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Wording feels too narrative?

Some sections, especially the NBA section, contain sentences that feel a bit too narrative for me. The sentence, "Just when the NBA needed a new force, Johnson and Bird gave the NBA a new big game to restore its low popularity," for example, doesn't really fit the the style of Wikipedia IMO. NomzEditingWikis (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)