Talk:Hexagram

origins and shape

Why doesnt this section make it clear what the first recorded use of the hexagram is? Seems like that would be important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.116.13 (talk) 05:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

This section in the article is too vague. There's a need to bring exact days and places. E.g. in Heraklion Museum, Crete, there are a few Minoan hexagrams from Phaestos from 1700 B.C.E.

Zeevveez 07:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC) More facts that need to be examined:

Zecharia Sitchin found a cylinder seal VA/243 in the Vorderasiatisches Museum in Berlin. This seal is dated to c.2500 B.C. On this seal is a six pointed star surrounded by all the planets we know of today, plus the Moon and plus one more planet. Michael S. Heiser in his article titled A Brief Analysis of Cylinder Seal VA 243 brings ANOTHER photo of a six pointed star from the same period. See: http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html#6436729342607712959

See: http://kataragama.org/research/dionysus.htm The Satkona yantra, cut into black stone with the diagram of the Kataragama deity. Representation of flames along the periphery, the Tamil OM in the centre. In the Museum für Völkerkunde, Basel. From Wirz (1954) Paul Wirz, Kataragama the Holiest Place in Ceylon, trans. by Doris Berta Pralle, (Colombo: Gunasena, 1966), p. 20.

Dr. Manoshi Bhattacharya wrote that The earliest evidence of this symbol was found among coins from the excavation of the city of Ujjain in India. The coins have been dated to be 2000 - 3000 years old. See: http://www.the-south-asian.com/Jan2005/The_Sacred_Bride.htm

hexagram in a perfect condition found In 1991 by Iraqi archaeologist Muzahim Mahmu in the Treasure of Nimrud. It is one of 613 items of gold jewelry and precious stones that were dated to the 8th and 9th century B.C. See: http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/search?q=nimrud

Zeevveez 11:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Definition

The lead opens with an unsourced definition:

A hexagram is a six-pointed geometric star figure, {6/2} or 2{3}, the compound of two equilateral triangles. The intersection is a regular hexagon.

Does anyone know where this comes from and what {6/2} or 2{3} means? As a lead this falls well short of Wiki's standards, being neither sourced, nor entirely clear and accessible to the nonspecialist reader. Unless a good reason is offered for retaining this wording I'd suggest changing it to, for example, the OED or OCD definition

We also need to be clear in the lead whether "hexagram" includes forms other than the Star of David - dictionary definitions vary on this point, some including I Ching forms and non-regular forms: at the moment we have within the article a section on other hexagrams which don't conform with the opening definition. The hatnotes actually acknowledge the use of "hexagram" for other forms, so there's an intrinsic contradiction between them and the lead that follows. Should the lead not at least acknowledge the other uses and specify which use(s) are discussed in this article? Alternatively, the article title could be altered from the generic "Hexagram" to something that more accurately reflects the articl's specific content (Hexagram in culture and architecture...?) -- Timberframe (talk) 08:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Codes like {6/2} and 2{3} are called Schläfli symbols. I'll clarify that. SiBr₄ 18:39, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

A further point, whilst modern depictions of the Ulster Banner may show its star as two equilateral triangles (probably for ease of rendering), it was not originally as such, and this can be seen in the depiction used on this page. Either the Ulster Banner does not have a hexagram or the opening definition is wrong in that it isn't necessarily two equilateral triangles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:4216:A200:2096:3CFB:9D55:6597 (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Intro vs Usage by Jews

An editor felt compelled to add in the 'Usage by Jews' section:

"Which means the part in the introduction where it says it was used by Muslims then later by Judaism is false, the Jews used it before Islam existed.[7]"

Can we come to a consensus and sync these two up?

Also, it might be helpful to add some origin dates to the 'Usage in Dharmic religions' section or a section on the Kagome Crest if we're so concerned about who came first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.118.218 (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Six Pointed Star not always a Jewish Symbol

There is considerable evidence that prior to the advent of modern Zionism the six pointed star was not a Jewish symbol, although it was forced upon them in some parts of Central Europe. The symbol appears a hand ful of times in Jewish texts whilst it appears many thousands of times elsewhere. See for example this paper by Miguel Lou: https://www.academia.edu/11490054/THE_CURIOUS_HISTORY_OF_THE_SIX_POINTED_STAR_How_the_Magen_David_Became_the_Jewish_Symbol?auto=download&email_work_card=download-paper&fbclid=IwAR0pIJlkLZ8nh1QmILV1-8yg-RRb4PIroJal7YwKG2pUirdOVyPai6bvsRc

--Wool Bridge (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

opposite elements

Fire is symbolized as an upwards pointing triangle, while Air (its elemental opposite) is also an upwards pointing triangle, but with a horizontal line through its center. Water is symbolized as a downwards pointing triangle, while Earth (its elemental opposite) is also a downwards pointing triangle, but with a horizontal line through its center.

Oh? Usually it's like this:

	HOT
DRY	fire	air	WET
	earth	water
	COLD

Fire is opposite to water, air is opposite to earth. —Tamfang (talk) 22:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)