Talk:Hergé/Archive 1

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(how's this? Well, his initials are "GR", or if you put surname first, "RG". I am guessing his language was French, since that is one of the two Belgian languages and Remi looks more French than Dutch. The French name for the letter R is pronounced something like "Air", and for G, something between "Jay" and "Shay". The French would prounounce "Hergé" something like "Airjay" or "Airshay".)

I'd write it "Airh-jhay", where "jh" is pronounced the 2nd g in "garage". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.83.170 (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2006

And "rh"? —Tamfang 16:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

(comment: Hergé was Frankophone, though apparently he did speak some Dutch, because the artificial languages he used in his albums were mostly or all based on (a French phonetic?) representation of a Dutch dialect called Marollenvlaams, as spoken in Brussels. --branko)

Actually, I think it was his grandmother who spoke Marols. He was basing those artificial languages mostly on his childhood memories of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.81 (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2005

Herge spoke flemish dialect. Dutch is the language of the Netherlands. At the time of Herge's youth, this language was repressed in Belgium, only dialect would have been spoken in Brussels and Marollien is one such dialect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.41.142.242 (talk) 02:18, 26 July 2005

In one English version of "The Broken Ear" the Amazonian natives speak a language which, if read aloud, turns out to be Cockney. Das Baz 20:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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"He decided to create a comic strip of his own, which would adopt the recent American innovation of using speech balloons to depict words come out of the characters' mouths." The quote "recent American innovation" is not completely true. Actually speech balloons or similar depictions of speech had been used in Europe for a long time before the americans started using them. The standardization of usage, and the foundations of the "syntax" for modern comics could be claimed to have originated during the late 19th-early 20th century ion US, though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.105 (talk) 06:07, 1 December 2004

Middle name

His middle name is Prosper. I thought it's well-known, but here is a source: French newspaper L'EXPRESS: [1] or the British Telegraph: [2]. 62.245.207.2 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The ref is good, Mr. 62.245.207.2. I added it to the ref section as it had wider application than just the middle name. MURGH ^disc. 01:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Popol et Virginie

In the table under the Bibliography section, I see two books one entitled Popol out West (published 1934) and another entitled The Adventures of Tim the Squirrel in the Far West. Having read Popol et Virginie chez les Lapinos, based on the two titles listed in the table, they sound like the same BD to me. I have never heard of The Adventures of Tim the Squirrel in the Far West so I am hesitant to make any changes, but could anyone familiar with these two books please comment? Thibbs 23:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have to check, but as far as I remember, Popol and Virginie is a new comic, but whith the story very much reused from the earlier Tim the Squirrel. I think the logical thing would be to redirect Tim the Squirrel to Popol and Virginie, and include a paraghraph there explaining the relationship between them. Fram 11:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mural

Herge's Scout mural found in old school corridor --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 13:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

GA?

OK this has been nominated for a GA review.

I'll do a proper read through later but things that stand out are the need for some more sourcing on the awards (I should be able to sort some of that out) and the appropriation section (which seems like a more natural fit for the Tintin article).

Any other thoughts? ANy sources you have that could be used here? (Emperor (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC))

• I don't have any books to hand, it'd all have to be done through inter-library loans. They can take a while too. Sorry. Hiding T 20:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
• Thinking about it though, there's a TCJ with a translated interview with Hergé, issue 250. I used it in The Adventures of Tintin. That might have some value. Hiding T 20:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It just might. :) BOZ (talk) 22:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed - I think at this stage we don't have to have stripmined all of the sources - that is more the kind of thing that will need to be done as we aim for FA. Instead we need to make sure the coverage is solid and we have everything well sourced. Clearly the more the better but don't bust your hump trying to track down every source (at this stage) as long as we have a range of good ones. (Emperor (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC))

• • REFS-very few refs outside of Goddin, can we get a larger variety of refs? — Rlevse • Talk • 00:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

limited references to whitewash a rather dubious character

I find there are far too few references in this article. What's particularly disappointing is that Hergé's ties to the extreme right seem to be played down. It was not without reasons that he got into trouble with the resistance after WWII. He is a very controversial person though his graphic work is indeed quite popular. The notion that his comics are critical of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy also seems to be a recent revision. Those adventures could equally be seen as dealing with the Balkan Wars and conflicts.--Caranorn 13:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you know your stuff; I look forward to reading your additions. - DavidWBrooks 18:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I'll have to dig through a number of boxes first with no guarantee that I will actually find my those articles about Hergé. Not to speak of TV documentaries that I obviously cannot provide now. For the time being what I'd really like to see is sources to support the material currently in the article as much of it looks like original research.--Caranorn 20:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This is barking up the wrong tree, in several respects. Hergé is famous for changing Tintin in response to criticisms, for example, when alerted by a Chinese man, writing The Blue Lotus to portray the Japanese as contriving the incident which started the war with China. It's not correct to say that his work is critical of fascists only in revisions. The original "King Ottokar's Scepter", written in 1938, presents the anti-government, anti-royalty groups in a quite unfavorable light. The plane Tintin escapes in is marked "HEINKEL", implying that the Nazis were war-mongering (a topic that Herge had made pointed abrasive comments about in "The Broken Ear". Finally, people who went about their jobs in Nazi-occupied countries were oppressed, living under the threat of death or arrest. Those millions weren't all left wing just because they failed to join the resistance. For a broader perspective on occupation, you'll find "French and Germans, Germans and French" by Richard Cobb, and "The Rape of Europa" by Lynn H. Nicholas enlightening and extremely interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk • contribs) 18:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I have added certain referenced links between Hergé and the neutralist and collaborationist scene. Like many swept up in the uncertainty of the times, Hergé was contrite about his wartime activities. However, at least one author (Frey) feels his work continued to embody anti-Semitic stereotypes long after the war (e.g. Flight 714).99.240.139.189 (talk) 02:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

POV problems

There are some subtle POV issues in this article, especially in the World War II section. The article says that Herge is anti-semetic because some of his villains look like Jews, but then states that some other villains look like Germans, implying that this is a good thing. It is POV for an article to imply that villains of one nationality are acceptable and villains of another nationality are unacceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.143.75.103 (talk) 14:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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Check WP:NFCC. All opinions welcome. Thank you. ^walk victor falk ^talk 19:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Racial Controversies

Why are Jews the only ones discussed as controversial depictions by Herge? There should be a controversies section including his depictions of africans and japanese, as well as the fact that TinTin in the Congo was pretty much banned in American libraries. Either discuss all controversies, or do not discuss them at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.119.75 (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

POV

I come at the article from the perspective of Belgian-WWII articles, rather than Tintin/Comic books, and I believe the article suffers from a good deal of blurring when it comes to the WWII section. Take, for example, the following sentence:

“ He was publicly accused of being a Nazi/Rexist sympathizer, a claim which was largely unfounded, as the Tintin adventures published during the war were scrupulously free of politics (the only dubious point occurring in The Shooting Star, discussed above). ”

This misses the point of the accusations, and even might even be an example of POV itself. The politics (or lack of them) of Tintin aside, Hergé had:

• Worked on a Catholic-Fascist newspaper for decades before the war, when he theoretically had free choice;
• Known Léon Degrelle personally and been on good terms with a number of leading Rexists and Fascists before the war; he was widely suspected of actually having joined Rex;
• Not fought in the 18 Days' Campaign of 1940;
• Worked on a German-controlled newspaper, in which he had included anti-Semitic caricatures at a time when 40,000 Belgian Jews had been deported and exterminated;
• Not joined the resistance (even in the last weeks of the occupation, when the resistance swelled exponentially) or done anything to otherwise demonstrate that he was not a collaborator.

I'd venture that this was considerably better claim than most.

I'm not making judgments here, I'm just suggesting that there were more reasons to accuse Hergé of collaboration than the article makes out. And not just in the sentence above. After all, just because he didn't go all out and join the Wallonien Legion doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty of passive collaboration, of which thousands of Belgians were found tried. Whether that makes him a "bad" person (or more than other passive collaborators) is not to be discussed here, but there were certainly grounds for accusing him of it. All that is in favour of the argument currently in place, as far as I can see, is that he was not one of the 52,000 Belgians (not, after all, much in a country of 8m people) who were officially tried... Brigade Piron (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Not up to modern Good Article standards

I don't believe this article meets modern Wikipedia:Good Article criteria. There are numerous unreferenced claims I marked, including an entirely unreferenced section on the museum. The controversy discussed at [3] is not mentioned, suggesting gaps in coverage of major aspects. As such, I intend to nominate it for Wikipedia:Good Article review in the near future unless those issues are addressed. Pinging editors who discussed the GA criteria with regards to this topic earlier here, User:Emperor, User:Hiding, GA reviewer, User:Pmlinediter and nom, User:BOZ. If there are any replies here, please echo me. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't recall anything of the circumstances of what led to the GA nomination from 5 years ago. If I recall, at the time, I was much more heavily involved in achieving as many GA's as possible for the projects I was working in, so perhaps someone suggested to me that this was a worthy candidate. It does not appear that I did much of the work involved to get it to GA status so I don't know how much I can add here. BOZ (talk) 12:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Piotrus, you make a good point; this article could be improved (although it's not too bad). If you nominate it, I assume you yourself have all the necessary sources and intend to do all the work to bring it back to GA standards, otherwise I would consider that a "drive-by GA nomination" which only just occurred in another Tintin article (the nominator of the other article essentially admitted they had no intention of improving the article and the outcome was I, as reviewer, did all of the work to bring it to GA). My colleague Midnightblueowl has done some excellent work on this particular article (and several more) in the past year and may be available to improve it some more, and I myself am able and probably willing to improve it as well. Let's leave it for now; either of us will try to get to it soon. Prhartcom (talk) 13:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Prhartcom, actually I think it works like a drive-by tagging where the nominator doesn't need to do anything but tag the article for delisting and watch other people do the work necessary. Usually, they tend to fail because of it. Perhaps I'm wrong. Nonetheless, it certainly occurs to me that it would be more constructive if Piotrus, if (s)he considers the article insufficient at the moment, actually acted on this urge to actually remedy some of the problems. Much of the sources needed for the museum section would, I feel sure, be available on the Internet...Brigade Piron (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

As a fairly substantial contributor to this article, I should probably throw my two cents in: I do not think that this article meets GA standards, and I think that it should probably be stripped of that position. I will however endeavour to do all that I can to ensure that it is brought up to GA standard within the next year. Sorry for the short but blunt reply! All my best for now, Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Your short and precise reply carries weight here, Midnightblueowl, as I watched you act when others (myself included) did not, to greatly improve this article to the point it is now, even if I agree that it still needs more. No need for anyone to delist this article (I would oppose that). Instead, I pledge to offer action myself and provide assistance to you when needed as you improve the article. Anyone else is also welcome to contribute; Brigade Piron, you are another who has done excellent work on many Tintin articles, and you are right when you say if someone demands an article's improvement on a talk page, that editor should make an improvement. (BTW, There is a really great source about Nick Rodwell I remember seeing on the Internet; I will try to locate it). Cheers, all. Prhartcom (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

While ideally I'd have time to help here, unfortunately I don't. My purpose is therefore to ensure that it is delisted as it falsely claims a GA level of quality while lacking it, unless it can be improved to the point that I feel it is a GA level (in which case I won't need to waste others time by nominating it for a review). If anyone can pledge to improve this article up to modern GA standards within a week, that's fine. Otherwise I'll start a GAR process. A specific comment for User:Prhartcom: an article has to meet a quality assessment criteria before it receives a rank, not the other way around. I'd rate this article as C due to quick-check failures on the reference track. And User:Brigade Piron correctly observes that WP:SOFIXIT does not apply here: I am merely pointing out to a technicality in improper assessment as of modern standards. That's my part of "fixing this", and it's as perfectly valid as tagging an article with "fix it" templates. You can either bring the article up to modern standards, or we will have to, sadly, downgrade it's quality rating. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I can pledge to bring this article up to GA within a year, but sadly not a week. My vote is for an immediate de-list. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:11, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Piotrus, naturally you confused me when you incorrectly said you intended to put this article through Wikipedia:Good Article review (GAN). You meant Wikipedia:Good article reassessment (GAR). Prhartcom (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: You are right, my mistake. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Is this going anywhere, @Piotrus:; I am more than happy to back you if you decide to send it to GAR. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

@Midnightblueowl: No significant edits since yours, and problems (citations needed) still remain. I'll start a Wikipedia:Good article reassessment soon. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Hergé/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

As explained at Talk:Hergé#Not_up_to_modern_Good_Article_standards, this article is not up to modern GA standards. Numerous citation needed templates, unaddressed for weeks, are a quick fail criteria. If no significant improvements are carried out within a week, I will delist this article, sadly. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Bravo, Brigade Piron, for efforts to improve the article back to GA standards! Please let me know if I can help by answering specific questions requiring source material about Hergé. Prhartcom (talk) 16:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Prhartcom! Unfortunately I don't have the "big books" on the topic (or at least, not to hand) so am confined to using free ones for the moment which restricts what I can add. Could you see if Thompson et al. can add anything on the WWII paragraph, in particular? Brigade Piron (talk) 16:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

All right; looks like I'm in for it now! Yes indeed; I'll begin this weekend. Prhartcom (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Brigade Piron, I'm sorry; I did not have the time this weekend to look at this. Prhartcom (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Prhartcom, we're nearly done - any chance of filling in the ten-or-so remaining tags? Brigade Piron (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes indeed; I know I can be of help. I have a big deadline a week from today in the real world. You have probably waited for slow editors before; sorry to ask, but would it be possible for you to wait one week for me? Never mind, real life can wait, Let me look at it now. To be continued. Prhartcom (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I apologise for not taking care of this. I haven't forgotten; I just have not been able to do as much Wikipedia work as I would like. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I think this article has improved significantly over the past few weeks. Can we take care of the few remaining cite needed templates by the end of this month? I don't mind keeping this review open, but somebody who's more a stickler for the rules can come over and argue that such reviews should technically last for about a week... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Since the article now seems to have been virtually re-written - and is virtually 6 months old! - can this nom be finally got rid of? —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

..? —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I am fine with this article remaining a GA and closing this reassessment, through I did add some cite needed tags to the Hergé#Legacy section - it is the only part of the article that remains underreferenced. Once this is fixed, I'd suggest an A-class or FA-class review. Nice work! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

So... can you close the review then? ;) —Brigade Piron (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

If there is a procedure for this, go ahead, I am not sure how to close it and right now I am pressed for time and cannot figure out the right wiki-solution. Hopefully some template removal or parameter change will do. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

There are several citation tags still in the article. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:15, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

There are no citation needed tags in the article now. As this reassessment has been open for so long, I have closed this. If there are issues with the article, feel free to open a new GA reassessment. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Confusing sentence in lead

"[...]proceeded to oversee the creation of Tintin magazine, through which he remained artistic director over Studios Hergé until his death." It isn't clear to me what is intended here. On the one hand, he was responsible for Tintin Magazine for a number of years (first in reality, then more as some kind of figurehead), and was fully responsible for the Studios Hergé until his death; but the two have no real relation. This probably needs to be rewritten. Fram (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Exonerated

The lead claims "he faced accusations of being a collaborator, but was exonerated, ", but the article body claims "Hergé found himself barred from newspaper work in postwar Belgium. " Was he ever convicted, officially barred, restricted in what he was allowed to do? Or was he never convicted or officially barred, but simply shunned by the post-war newspaper editors? Fram (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I believe that means he wasn't one of the people convicted in the legal epuration/epuratie ("purging") of collaborators of 1945-48. But he was certainly a collaborator by the historical definition of the word and probably felt to have been guilty by others at the time. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Herge's assistant Alice Deros/Devos

There are these two sentences in the article (emphasis added):

Jacobs could only work on the project part time, and so on March 1942 Hergé also employed a woman named Alice Deros to aid him.{{sfnm|1a1=Goddin|1y=2009|1p=96|2a1=Assouline|2y=2009|2p=86|3a1=Peeters|3y=2012|3p=139}} (citation goes to: Goddin 2009, p. 96; Assouline 2009, p. 86; Peeters 2012, p. 139.)

He spent the next two years working with Jacobs, as well as a new assistant, Alice Devos, adapting many of the early Tintin adventures into colour.{{sfn|Goddin|2008|p=345}} (citation goes to: Goddin 2008, p. 345.)

I assume these two Alices are one and the same, but which is the correct surname? Does someone have access to either of the Goddin books used as references? -kotra (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

It's the same Goddin book, published in English in 2009, incorrectly cited the second time, there. I am travelling now but when I return I will check this source and make the correction. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 03:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

A brief scan of the internet indicates it's probably "Devos" (which also sounds more Belgian). Please feel free to revert if wrong and thanks for raising it. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! -kotra (talk) 19:26, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Unused cites from bibliography

Just to say that the following two references are not currently used in the article and so have been removed from the bibliography. If anyone wants to put them back in the article with a cite, feel free!

• McGrath, Charles (22 December 2009). "The Man Behind Boy, Dog and Their Adventures". The New York Times. Retrieved 23 June 2014.
• Frey, Hugo (2008). "Trapped in the Past: Anti-Semitism in Hergé's Flight 714". In McKinney, Mark (ed.). History and Politics in French-Language Comics and Graphic Novels. University Press of Mississippi. ISBN 9781604737615. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

—Brigade Piron (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Full name Hergé

The full name of Hergé is "George Prosper Remi Remi", not "George Prosper Remi" as is mentioned in the article. The most important source is the book of H. van Opstal (1994) Essay RG. Het fenomeen Hergé. On page 133 there is a picture of the original birth certificate and on page 138 there is one of Hergés brother Paul. Study them both and you will see that the first names of Remi are "Georges Prosper Remi". There is no doubt! Van Opstal also writes about the full names on pages 8+10+132-133+195. He writes extensively about them and tries to give a reason for adding Remi as a first name. This book is in my possession. Another source is Philippe Goddin who was from 1988-1998 the secretary-general of the Hergé Foundation and wrote the biography Hergé: lignes de vie. In this book you will also find his full name as "George Prosper Remi Remi" (on page 25 in the Dutch edition). A third source is Jean-Marie Apostolidès book Dans le Peau de Tin-Tin from 2010. On page 25 he writes that the full name is "George Prosper Remi Remi" (here).
In this article I added Remi to his first names, but it was deleted. Under Childhood: 1907–25 however my sources for adding Remi are still there, which is strange. I also added Remi on the French Wikipedia, it was deleted, but my sources for adding Remi are also there still visible in the article. The Dutch Wikipedia writes the full name with twice Remi. It took some discussion to keep it like that, but now everyone there agrees. The credit for being the first to change the first names to "George Prosper Remi" on the Dutch Wikipedia goes to MichielDMN, so I am not the only one. Happytravels (talk) 04:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

By Jove, it seems you're right, my apologies that I removed that "obvious mistake" (I have the Lignes de Vie book in Dutch but didn't check it yesterday). Perhaps a hidden comment or extra note indicating that the double Remi is intentional will avoid further such removals. Fram (talk) 07:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

No, double hyphenated surnames (which compile the mother's and father's personal surnames names) are ubiquitous in Belgium but is purely administrative and is never used in any non-legal contexts. It does not make it his "name", see here: "L’enfant porte le nom de ce parent (mère/père) vis-à-vis duquel la filiation est établie.".—Brigade Piron (talk) 08:49, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I've never heard of such double surnames in Belgium (until the very recent law allowing double names), but perhaps this is more common in Wallonia? Anyway, the claim is not that he had a double surname, but that he had three first names (Georges Prosper Remi) and a single surname (Remi). This may be due to a clerical error ("Name" "Georges Prosper Remi". "Surname" "Umm, Remi") with the clerk not realising he had written Remi twice, or unwilling to remove his error (good old-fashioned burocracy), or... His mother's name was "Elisabeth Dufour", so your theory about the mother's and father's personal surname seems to be not applicable here in any case. Fram (talk) 09:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Right, I've just checked the reference and it seems you are right that it was a clerical error (1) which ended with him acquiring a second middle name. I'm not sure whether this deserves a place in the article though - it obviously was not used, hence the overwhelming preponderance of "Georges Prosper Remi" is the secondary literature. I suggest we ignore it as trivia.—Brigade Piron (talk) 09:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

At least we should then add it as a footnote, as it has been reported in multiple sources and may get readded by other editors as well. Something like (a) Due to a clerking error, his official name was GPRR, but normally he gets referred to as GPR or simply GR (with then the relevant sources added). Fram (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I suppose that's a possible solution, as long as his actual (de facto) name is the one used in the article's main text - which would be in line with the vast majority of published books about him. We should not put undue weight on this. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The point is: where do you want to refer to with "George Prosper Remi"? I guess to his full name. Van Opstal (1994) states that most people only refer to him as "George Prosper Remi" because they misread his birth certificate (or they don't know about his real birth name). His real full name was only mentioned in print for the first time in 1994. Still not many people know about it. But I agree if you want to add that mostly "George Prosper Remi" is used in publications because many people don't know about his second middle name Remi. Happytravels (talk) 12:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

That's a moot point. You admit that most writers simply refer to him as GPR and that's clearly how he referred to himself - that's surely the most important thing. I think WP:INDISCRIMINATE is relevant here. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I disagree that is has anything to do with WP:INDISCRIMINATE. A full name is important in an article. And he didn't refer to himself as George Prosper Remi, but as George Remi. Most people only know him as Georges Remi and this is probably his most publicized name. Second comes George Prosper Remi if writers want to give his full name, not because they want to conceal his second middle name, but because they don't know about it. Wikipedia always gives the full name in a biography. I wouldn't put Remi's full name in a footnote. That's concealing an important basic fact. Happytravels (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

"Second comes George Prosper Remi if writers want to give his full name, not because they want to conceal his second middle name, but because they don't know about it" or consider it a clerical error, not worth repeating. Goddin, who gives the double name, calls it a gag worthy of the Thompsons, and clearly states that "Remi" was only intended as the surname, but that the clerk mistakenly added it as a first name and a surname. So it is official but not intentional or important, and should be relegated to a footnote. Fram (talk) 08:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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Moon hiatus

There has been some back-and-forth in the article about the hiatus during the publication of the Moon story in Tintin. Was it 9 months, 18 months, or something else? If it, like this article says, "returned in April 1951", then it can't certainly have been an 18 month hiatus. Destination Moon (comics) claims that it was published between March and September 1950, and Explorers on the Moon between October 1952 and December 1953, which would make a 25 month hiatus, not an 18 month one. The three articles need to be checked and made internally consistent (and correct of course). Fram (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I can't access any of the three sources given, so I'd prefer to defer to those who built up the article to this condition and may have access to the sources. Midnightblueowl, Ssven2, BOZ, anyone else? --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was Merge - unopposed merge proposal. Muzilon (talk) 02:49, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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I'd suggest that the skimpy article about Hergé's first wife, Germaine Kieckens, should be merged here per WP:INVALIDBIO and WP:NOTINHERITED. Being the spouse of a notable cartoonist does not mean that Kieckens herself was independently notable in her own right, and her biographical details could easily be covered here. This is consistent with the French Wikipedia, where a consensus was reached in September 2018 that Kieckens' name should redirect to Hergé. (For the record, the French WP – unlike the English WP – does have a standalone biography of Hergé's second wife, fr:Fanny Rodwell, but it appears she is independently notable, having received the Order of Leopold.) --Muzilon (talk) 07:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I created the article, but I lean toward supporting the merge. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:10, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

In the absence of any dissenting voice after one month, I shall go ahead with the merge. Muzilon (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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PS. I'm not sure whether the "Fair Use" photo of Germaine Kieckens with Hergé can be used here per the rules about more than one WP:NONFREE image of the subject in the same biography. Will seek clarification on that point... Muzilon (talk) 03:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)