Talk:Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)

Cleanup

Ugh, this article is poorly written. A lot of run ons and incomplete sentences, and a whole bunch of thoughts that don't make sense.

Can somebody with knowledge of the character and grammatical prowess take a look at this? 207.114.232.98 16:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The character biography page is a mess. Can we scrub this down to be about Johnny Blaze and remove excess fat about his mother and family? It's crowding the page and it's confusing. TotalTommyTerror 16:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"Blaze would mistake Noble Kale for Zarathos during the subsequent Ghost Rider series (1990-1998), and after attempting to destroy him, eventually became an ally. Blaze, like his long-lost brother Danny Ketch (see below), is a direct descendant of Kale. (Blaze's last name is inherited from his father, Barton Blaze. Barbara and Daniel Ketch's true last names remain unknown as their father might or might not be Barton Blaze). Blaze was supposed to have become Kale's next host, but was spared because of a deal their mother made with Mephisto. However, Blaze became the host for another entity (Zarathos), who had been stripped of his memories and was originally under Blaze's control. As the series progressed, that control faded and Zarathos' true personality was evident whenever Ghost Rider was unleashed."

This whole chunk comes out of nowhere. Where does Blaze first meet Kale? Isn't Kale a person and not Ghost Rider, or is Kale Ghost Rider himself? Was Blaze the amnesiac or is Zarathos?

This whole page is a jumble. I'll give 24 hours for somebody with knowledge to come through and make better sense of the whole bio section before I strip it down to bits that make sense and perform some much needed grammatical surgery. TotalTommyTerror 17:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this hopefully gives a more accessible read now. I removed excess information from the character bio that didn't focus on Johnny Blaze. A lot of info about his family. I'm not against this being in the article, but it should go into a 'family bio' sort of thing. Because revealing the full scope of his mother's deal with Mephisto would be of great interest to anybody reading the article.

However, it was just so jumbled and out of place that it was clouding the article.

I removed some nonsense parts about Ketch and Kale. There is a Ghost Rider main article that lists more on these characters as well as links to their respective wikis, and information on them is not necessary.

What we're missing now is information on what Blaze did in between his ending of the curse and regaining his power. From Zarathos' wiki, it seems to me that the demon no longer exists inside of Johnny Blaze but blaze can still become the Ghost Rider. But this may be a conflict, maybe he is still inside of Blaze, (returned and repented?).

I'm going to go through the Ghost Rider serials as I can, and try and see if I can piece together the information. But help is always appreciated.

By the way, I strongly recommend the new Ghost Rider series, it is an excellent read and the art is tremendous. Except for the February issue, whoever drew that should go back to art school. It looks like a Bazooka Joe bubblegum comic. TotalTommyTerror 16:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Almost none of the stuff under the music section has anything to do with Ghost Rider. "Ghost Riders in the Sky" doesn't have anything to do with the comic book, and a rapper referring to himself as John or Johnny Blaze is pretty self-explanatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.200.214 (talk) 07:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Ghost Rider is also an angel

In GHOST RIDER #18 “Revelations” arc revealed that Ghost Rider’s true nature turns out that he’s also an angel. [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.179.81 (talk) 02:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Abilities

While it is true that both Ghost Riders possessed all these abilities, Blaze only possessed some of these abilities. For example, he:
doesn't wield a magical chain,
doesn't use the "Penance Stare", and
doesn't wield a shotgun that can produce Hellfire.
Only the Daniel Ketch version does. For that reason, I think these should be removed from the 'Abilities' section for the Johnny Blaze version of Ghost Rider. User:FullyClothedMike

The main problem, of course, being that Johnny Blaze has all those abilities. Also, Dan Ketch never used a hellfire shotgun. That was Johnny Blaze the entire time. Shralla 08:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

From what I've read, he only possesses some of those abilities. He doesn't use a chain once in Volume One, Issues #1-50 of his series, or any of the preceding yarns he appeared in. As for him wielding the shotgun, I think I may have just ruined the story for myself. :(

Lucifer

Wasn't it retconned to were is was really Lucifer who made Johnny Ghost Rider and not Mesphisto after all? Bobisbob (talk) 18:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

This is something I was looking into today and I think the problem stems from not adequately dis-connecting the new Blaze GR series from any other rendition which I think needs to be done to avoid such confusion, among other things. Blaze's re-emergance as the GR is and has been part of the Marvel Knights line, which is billed as "an alternate universe set outside of the mainstream Marvel continuity." Unfortunately, any refrences I have seen to this line of stories fail to take this into account and seem to imply that these stories are a direct continuaton with an unexplained disappearance of Roxanne, a new girlfriend, and other changes that would cause confusion in continuity. Should this be rectified? Malagant (talk) 09:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Marvel Knights is and always has been part of regular Marvel continuity, unless a mini-series' background info specifically stated otherwise. So all of the recent GR stuff, including "Road to Damnation" and the current ongoing are fully in continuity.oknazevad (talk) 20:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Image issues

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If the above concern(s) can be addressed in light of the relevant policies and/or guidelines, the image use can be retained. If not, the image needs to be removed from the article.

The issue with GhostRiderCVR001b.jpg has been addressed.

- J Greb (talk) 02:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Image removed as only there as decoration. - J Greb (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Was he cursed?

I have been reading the Marvel encyclopedia and also the bio on the Marvel website and it DOES NOT say there that the Devil cursed Johnny with the Spirit of Zarathos.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbritp (talk • contribs) 00:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

powers section

I think it's a bit off. "As a primal agent of Heaven empowered by the Spirits of Vengeance created by the power of God Himself ages past to exact vengeance upon the sinners of mankind, Johnny Blaze is one of the most powerful entities within the mortal and immortal realms." Two main problems with this. 1. he got his powers from Mephisto (AKA Satan, albeit he is just one of many Satans in the marvel universe) not a god and 2. it's just bad grammar. There is no need to capitalize "Himself". Wikipedia is not a religious text. This is especially out of place since there are multiple gods in Marvel comics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.15.240 (talk) 23:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Settlement

Marvel, writer agree to settle Ghost Rider copyright suit By Bernard Vaughan NEW YORK (Reuters) http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/marvel-writer-agree-settle-ghost-rider-copyright-suit-151945285--finance.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.107.240.36 (talk) 16:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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I was looking on this page for some details as to the origin of Ghost Rider - who he is, what he does etc. All I seem to get is a page on who the people who were Ghost Rider, and some examples of their abilities. Is there an origin story for the character? I assume he wasn't born on fire.

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Marvel's Agents of SHIELD

I'd thought this was settled, but at least one anon IP doesn't think so. The Screencrush cite that an editor claims establishes that Johnny Blaze appeared on Marvel's Agents of SHIELD is nothing but speculation, with words like "hint," "we’d presume" and "It’s plausible." That's nothing but one person's complete speculation and guesswork — nowhere near the standard required of an encyclopedia. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:40, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

The anon IP, 81.152.108.193, has continued to edit-war, though another anon IP, at least, is reverting 81.152.108.193's non-encyclopedic speculation that the cites in fact do not support. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:21, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I could of sworn that was indeed Johnny Blaze who gave his power to Robbie. I just wanted to ask before I changed something, let me know.--Stolen Kids 21:47, 28 February 2018 (EST)

References

Ghost Rider (comic book)

The part about Isabella's altered storyling was moved to Ghost Rider (comic book) as it feels like that has more to do with the comic title itself than the character, since the storyline was altered radically before publication. Maybe that is a matter of opinion, though. The paragraph can stay in both articles, although in my option it fits better on the comic book page than on the Johnny Blaze page. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Tenebrae. There are a lot of solo-character comic titles out there, but most of them dealt largely with one single character. As far as Ghost Rider (as a comic series) goes, Johnny Blaze is clearly in the lead as far as having been the main character for the largest percentage of the time, but given that the first volume was an unrelated Western series, and the third volume at the very least was about a different main character other than Johnny. Since it seems to me that an article on Ghost Rider as a comic article is more unique among Marvel titles, I think it's a page we need, and I think this paragraph belongs there more than it does here. I just want your honest, constructive feedback on that. 73.168.15.161 (talk) 02:02, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing. My feeling is that since this is the article about Johnny Blaze, it is the place where the Isabella "Friend" content belongs, under Publication history. The article Ghost Rider (comic book) is an annotated list of the various comic-book series called Ghost Rider, and seems to be useful as a way of keeping all the various volumes and characters straight, rather than as a place for detailed, drilled-down content more appropriate to the individual character articles. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Infobox image

The textless variant seems to fail infobox image guidelines on several counts, as it doesn't in any way show the character clearly, simply and without distracting background details. The cover that replaced it is better, but also not up to guidelines. We need a better infobox image. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Coming back to this, after having gone on to several thousand other edits. The current infobox image fails WikiProject Comics guidelines. I'm calling for comments. Let's give it a week. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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