Talk:Georgia (country)
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Discussions regarding the titles of the articles Georgia, Georgia (country) and Georgia (U.S. state) should be held at Talk:Georgia. |
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On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Republic of Georgia. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2023 edit
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Hello, i suggest editing sentence, "Georgia is a country located in Eastern Europe and West Asia." to "Georgia is a country located in West Asia.". When considering borders of Europe ( bordering Asia), those being Black Sea, Caspian Sea, Arctic Ocean, mountain range and river of Ural, it is geaographically not part of Europe. VojtechKasl (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thriftycat Talk • Contribs 22:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- The "please provide a reliable source" response to edit requests is always of concern when the existing information isn't cited to a reliable source. Can someone supply a reliable source stating that Georgia does lie, in part, in Eastern Europe? Right now there's no footnote for that assertion. Largoplazo (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Largoplazo, The matter is not straightforward, see Boundaries between the continents#Asia and Europe. — kashmīrī TALK 23:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- If it isn't straightforward, then the lead shouldn't declare it either way as a straightforward fact. Largoplazo (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Largoplazo, The matter is not straightforward, see Boundaries between the continents#Asia and Europe. — kashmīrī TALK 23:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- The "please provide a reliable source" response to edit requests is always of concern when the existing information isn't cited to a reliable source. Can someone supply a reliable source stating that Georgia does lie, in part, in Eastern Europe? Right now there's no footnote for that assertion. Largoplazo (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- A very small part of Georgia is in Europe. But I agree it is not an European country, 110.142.86.86 (talk) 22:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- I also agree, most accepted borders of Europe and Asia, is that North Caucasus which is part of Russia lies in Europe, while countries South of the Caucasus lies in Western Asia. The articles for Europe, Asia and West Asia are all consistent with that definition. 176.224.8.113 (talk) 07:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Education edit
Hi, Currently, Education is a subordinate of Demographics but is worthy of being at the same level as History, Politics, Economy and Culture. Regards, PeterEasthope (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 edit
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Under History - Pre-History, the "textile-based clothing" reference is preceded by a link to the EOCENE, but the correct dating for the oldest textiles is 20-40 thousand years per the researchers in the reference link provided, not millions of years. The EOCENE link should be changed (if included at all) to the Late Pleistocene. Yavare (talk) 01:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Edit request on 15 march 2024 edit
On the first paragraph of the Government and Politics section Irakli Gharibashvili is said to be Georgia's prime minister, but he left office earlier this year and was replaced by Irakli Kobakhidze. The latter's photo has been updated right next to the paragraph, but the paragraph remains outdated. 2001:1388:13A6:50F3:31FB:21E:679E:6E5D (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Title of Article edit
I would argue that the title should simply be 'Georgia' and remove '(country)'. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 15:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Joshua D. Muthi, is this because many people internationally know the country as Georgia and speculate that the state might have a name like West Carolina?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- There have been nine formal discussions about this on this page in the last 21 years and none of them have ended with a consensus to change it. The only way to succeed at it would be to come up with some argument never before raised that would be consistent with the guidelines on article naming and would inspire more support from discussion participants than has been obtained in the past. Largoplazo (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with Largoplazo. Keep in mind that many people, myself included, feel that the Georgia that deserves to own the name without any qualifier is the one with the giant airport and a metropolitan area with a larger economy and population than the entire country of Georgia. Most people who watch any television programs or films regularly will definitely see that Georgia on screen several times in their lifetime (because of how Marvel Studios loves to outsource its film and television projects to Atlanta), but they will never see Georgia the country unless they specifically look for it. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The only way to properly solve this ever recurring debate for once and for all is to campaign for the internationalisation of the name to Sakartvelo. That is the only viable way to put this name discussion to rest. Labrang (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why should country change ancient name that is used from middle ages just because recent British colony is also named like this? That is not such a nice "solution" and very arrogant.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 03:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Labrang didn't say they should. Lebrang said it's the only way to solve this problem. If they don't take that route to solving this problem, that's fine. It's up to them. Largoplazo (talk) 10:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why should country change ancient name that is used from middle ages just because recent British colony is also named like this? That is not such a nice "solution" and very arrogant.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 03:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The only way to properly solve this ever recurring debate for once and for all is to campaign for the internationalisation of the name to Sakartvelo. That is the only viable way to put this name discussion to rest. Labrang (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with Largoplazo. Keep in mind that many people, myself included, feel that the Georgia that deserves to own the name without any qualifier is the one with the giant airport and a metropolitan area with a larger economy and population than the entire country of Georgia. Most people who watch any television programs or films regularly will definitely see that Georgia on screen several times in their lifetime (because of how Marvel Studios loves to outsource its film and television projects to Atlanta), but they will never see Georgia the country unless they specifically look for it. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 10 April 2024 edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia – Requested move per WP:NATDIS and WP:CONSISTENT; see Republic of Ireland. A similar example of an interchangeable title also includes State of Palestine. Searching “Republic of Georgia” on a web browser heavily inputs results of the country. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Support Whoa, this is refreshing: a natural and correct disambiguation rather than yet another repetitive feud over whether the country is the primary topic. Definitely better than the parenthetical disambiguation. Largoplazo (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Oppose I was taking for granted the premise that "Republic of Georgia" is its formal name. It apparently isn't, as has now been brought to my attention, and as appears to be plain from a look at the English translation of the country's constitution. So now I'm reversing my !vote, agreeing with SilverLocust about the false impression it would give. If it were even a very common name then it might still be OK but it isn't my impression that it's terribly common in comparison to just "Georgia". Largoplazo (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)- Support have always though this should be moved..,,,this idea is the best so far.Moxy🍁 16:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: This is an uncommon term and gives a false impression that it is an official name (since it sounds like an official name). It still needs to be a common name in reliable sources to be WP:NATDIS ("
commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title
"), which this is not — or at least it appears not to be, and no evidence has been provided to show otherwise. This article says it was common from 1991–1995, inaptly citing the Tbilisi article from Encyclopedia Britannica that doesn't say anything about that claim but does describe Tbilisi as the "capital of the republic of Georgia" (one instance where "republic of" is used as a disambiguating description within a sentence), whereas their article for Georgia does not use the term at all. The Ireland/Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland distinction is a different situation. Republic of Ireland is pretty common and an official description (if not the official name of the country) per the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948. Those two things make it work well as natural disambiguation for the country's name. It is better with the Georgias to just disambiguate normally. SilverLocust 💬 17:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC) - Comment Republic of Georgia was previously a disambiguation page and changed to a primary redirect without discussion in 2022. It may well be a WP:NOPRIMARY situtation, since there were four previous "Republic of Georgias" before the current one. 162 etc. (talk) 21:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unlike Ireland which specifically has a formal official description I'm not convicted the longer descriptive name is common enough so using brackets seem best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per SilverLocust. Republic of Georgia is neither an official name, nor is it commonly used for the country. Vanyka-slovanyka (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:NATDIS. I would also support moving Georgia (U.S. state) to State of Georgia for the same reason (or at least to Georgia, United States). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NATURAL says "do not use obscure or made-up names". Given it doesn't even appear its today the official descriptive name it appears at minimum its obscure, also the descriptive name for the US state doesn't appear to be commonly used enough. Similar to using Bray, Berkshire instead of Bray on Thames. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per NATURAL.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per SilverLocust's explanation above. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Why don't this can be changed to simply Georgia. No other country has been humiliated so much as Gorgia, having to explicitly state that is is country, just because a random state in the united states of america has the same name. This would not have happened if the Georgia state is from the some other country, say from an asian/african/latin american countries. Also, it is not completely surprising that wikipedia has such a double standard and discrimination. 2A02:C7C:5E70:E700:A578:33E9:9DD8:47DC (talk) 11:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- In English "Georgia" is probably as likely to mean the US state. As someone in England I can say that the US state is probably better known here and clearly it would be in American English. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, not the name, neither WP:NATDIS nor WP:CONSISTENT. CMD (talk) 12:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, support move to Georgia instead. Super Ψ Dro 14:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. We use WP:COMMONNAME for article titles of worldwide countries and territories. With WP:TITLECON, I would oppose this proposal of page move. Cfls (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is an example of WP:VNT failing as just beacause you can verify something doesn't make it true. Kind of reminds me of something else.....Oh well I just can't rememeber. Leonard LMT (talk) 16:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Support per consistency with Republic of Ireland and per WP:NATURAL. cookie monster 755 00:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Oppose upon further research this isn't even its official name in English. cookie monster 755 00:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)- Oppose this article is not only about the post-Soviet state. If you want to split the post-Soviet state into a separate article, then the proposed name is the one to use. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - this is not even its official name. It was in the early post-Soviet days, but already long time not. Nobody knowledgeable about the history would not even propose this change. Have a nice judgement, cheers Labrang (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, neither official nor common name. An emperor ✖ 02:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)