Talk:Friedrich Graetz

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German Wikipedia gives Friedrich Graetz's death date as 28. November 1912 (I was able to confirm the 1912 part) and states "Friedrich Graetz wurde am 15. Dezember 1912 in Wien-Simmering auf dem Evangelischen Friedhof beigesetzt." which translates as "Friedrich Graetz was buried on 15 December 1912 in Vienna-Simmering at the Evangelical Cemetery." I would interpret this as meaning Vienna Central Cemetery, in the Simmering district of Vienna, Austria, but I haven't been able to find a source. It would be great if someone can confirm this and include it! Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

German Wikipedia suggests that Georg Friedrich "Fritz" Grätz or Graetz (1875-1915) was a son of artist Karl Julius Grätz (1843-1912) and Maria Eva Kraft of Frankfurt am Main. Again, this needs sourcing. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

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On first read, significant parts of this article have an appearance of original research, especially regarding analysis of cartoons: what sources claims that the lettering on the blocks in one cartoon "makes it clear..."? What source states that "the importance of independent scientific inquiry is emphasized by the presence of a flag?" In other cartoons, I think we can do with less rote presentation of visual elements ("chicory and beans", "Members of the Art Department stand to the left of Keppler"): which begs the question: who cares? And the statement "Graetz's activities after leaving Puck may overlap or be confused with those of two similarly named artists", along with much of the section "Europe", appears to be a good-faith attempt to analyze errors in primary sources, but in my view leans to far into original research. Phrases like "may also have" and "It is possible..." require a secondary source that directly states as much, not inference or synthesis that combines 2 sources to reach a conclusion not present in either. Forgive me if these issues are already covered in existing sources: if so, it is just a task of proper footnoting and attribution. If not explicitly stated elsewhere, then the statements should be removed, even if true. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)Reply