Talk:Evony

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OK, despite the various deletions (including Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civony), I've created a new article, based on the The Guardian source. Being called "the world's most despised game" by them seems notable. Rd232 ^talk 08:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but you don't really talk about the game at all. It is just a string of gripes. I came to this article to get basic info. Telling me it is like Civilization is not enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.60.230 (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and I too got nothing from the advertisement about what the game was about. Showing me boobs is not enough.

I rely on wiki every day to provide me with details that the people who originally ripped off the game content, IP, text, and images forgot to mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.87.107 (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it me, or does the adverts not quite pertain to the ... game? Zeldakitten, aka Zeyra to some. Discuss edits and alike here. 17:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

This article really needs changing...'adverts show more and more of their boobs...can't wait until the next ad?' some game type info would be useful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewgrier (talk • contribs) 17:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I added some, but Rd232 removed it. I'll put it back. It's even sourced! (And what you mentioned there was vandalism, by the way. It's since been reverted.) As much as I dislike this game, I think gameplay is certainly worth mentioning/including, since that's kind of the whole point of a game. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 19:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not, however, the whole point of this game, apparently... john k (talk) 23:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC

The Guardian calling the game "the world's most despised game" is definitely notable considering all the similar things that have been said about the games marketing by other websites. Also does anyone else find it offensive that the marketing relies on guys using the internet to be so desperate for female interaction of any kind (even virtual interaction) that they'll click on an ad just because it shows some cleavage? I'm wondering if that would be worth mentioning as well.

I saw the game advertised on a site and it was about 3a.m., so I was bored enough to play it. I'm old enough to know that beautiful women on ads is a tactic, apparently not everyone on there knew that, many people said "where is that woman who invited me?" I played for maybe 4 or 5 days, and now one of my cities is being ravaged by a guy who must've paid $60+ (payments are in $30s) to have a massive army. It's horrible how much real money influences the game, the single sentence on the wiki page doesn't really explain how horrible it is. King Rhyono (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Evony wiki

Recently, several facts were added with Evonypedia as the source. I checked on the Reliable Source Noticeboard, and external wikis don't count as reliable sources, so the reference will probably need to be removed. Can anyone find any reliable sources with the same info? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 21:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources need to be reliable

I've tagged the article because there's too much non-RS sourcing. Talk-sites, company sites, and in the case of the reference for copied graphics, there is no actual comparison; instead the reader is invited by the article to make the comparison (which is, in effect, WP:OR#SYNTH).

There should be enough decent sources out there, as ads for Evony have been all over the net like a nasty rash.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I removed the excessive external links tag. I didn't see why it was needed, as there is only one EL, and it's relevant. If you disagree, give a holler. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 05:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The copied Civ description source, since removed, (http://www.arksark.org/blog/2009/07/05/evony-a-patchwork-of-stolen-parts/) did indeed have an actual comparison. There is a picture of Evony and Civilisation screens side by side.82.2.20.130 (talk) 23:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Neil

Redundancy

These sentences both appear in the Advertising Campaign section. "The images depicted females who, as the ad campaign continued, grew further and further unclothed, until the ad was simply a pair of breasts." "The advertisements' increasing amounts of nudity culminated in an advert that consisted of nothing but a pair of breasts." I think one of them should be deleted, or they should be combined. I'm not sure which one should be kept, I'll let someone else take care of it, just thought I should mention it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xdjx09x (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Ive taken the liberty of combining these two into a single sentence :

"The advertisements' images depicted females who, as the ad campaign continued, grew further and further unclothed, until increasing amounts of nudity culminated in an advert that simply consisted of nothing but a pair of breasts, a pair of breasts." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.87.107 (talk) 03:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Publisher and Developer

Warning: COI and NPOV may apply.

I am an employee of Evony LLC, the company which has developed, published and owns all intellectual property pertaining to Evony™. There are a few items I would like to point out:

1. Currently the Evony™ entry in Wikipedia has the developer listed as an entity called Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment. It also has the publisher listed as Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment. This is incorrect. The correct developer and publisher is Evony, LLC. Trademarks are also filed under Evony, LLC. We would like this immediately fixed as the source document is incorrect and we are currently in the process of having that addressed. If you go to www.evony.com you will see that all items are copyright 2009 Evony, LLC very plainly on the bottom of each page and on the game itself. This has been there for quite some time. Bgiff (talk) 10:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you claiming copyright on the graphics you stole from AoE? 70.18.109.206 (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

2. Sources for ownership of IP can be verified via the USPTO website looking at trademark serials 77757673[[1]] and 77757640[[2]] as well as IP Australia trademark 1312173[[3]].Bgiff (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment is the current owner of Evony LLC. Site the case State of California vs Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment as well as godaddys domain hiding service redirecting the whois requests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.27.1.18 (talk) 20:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Just because one company funds another and gives it a diffrent name does not make it another company in all.

Plants vs. Zombies

I realized I've been reverting a lot of things on this article that were written by anonymous users, and I really shouldn't delete things without discussion. That said... as of this edit, an anon deleted a portion of the 'advertising campaign' section about a game (Plants vs. Zombies) that ran/is running an ad campaign that parodies Evony's. I tend to believe that it's relevant and should be included, as other articles include similar types of references. Anyway, I'd like input, and it I don't get any soonish, I'll probably replace the information. Thanks. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 02:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that parody. Although I don't see parodies usually going in on wiki pages.Bgiff (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Me neither, I guess it's just that people hate you for plagiarising so badly =), so it stays. Haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.166.245.93 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

What is the corporate ownership of Evony LLC?

My edit, explaining the ownership of Evony LLC by the firm Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment (UMGE), was removed by user Bgiff, who claims to be an employee of Evony LLC. My edit was properly referenced to the same news source that is used elsewhere in the article. Here is a quotation of the source:

• "Evony is the product of Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment (UMGE), a developer linked to a Chinese gold-farming operation called WoWMine."[4]

This is important and relevant information about Evony. It is improper to remove such information without cause, and if user Bgiff believes this information to be factually incorrect, he/she must document why. Furthermore, as the employer of Bgiff has initiated legal action against the publisher of this news source, user Bgiff should in good conscience refrain from editing relevant material.

I will soon edit the page again to make reference to the corporate ownership of Evony LLC. Given that this game and the associated criticisms seem to be becoming a major controversy, I ask that others take notice if user Bgiff again reverts this information.Tomyhoi (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The corporate ownership is firstly not discussed in the article you are referring to, instead the article is referring to the development and ownership of Evony: Age I. The corporate ownership of Evony, LLC is that it is a private limited liability company. The ownership of Evony and Evony: Age I is documented above with those sources. Bgiff (talk) 13:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Please clarify the difference between Evony: Age I and Evony LLC. Was Eric Lam involved with Evony: Age 1? Where did Evony LLC come from? Who is responsible for creating Evony LLC? Tomyhoi (talk) 07:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.evony.me/who-owns-evony/ States that Evony is owned by UMGE. Bruce Everiss, who is being sued by Evony, has a number of sources (links and saved content that has since been removed from other sites) available at http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/09/16/eric-lam-umge-wowmineand-evony/ linking Evony, and its earlier form Civony, to UMGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.36.61 (talk) 08:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

kind of related kind of not....

does anyone play this that is not an employee, and is it any good??? thanks Tim Tebow ROCKS!!!!!! (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum, so this question doesn't belong here. Svick (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Since Svick wasn't polite enough to say anything constructive, I would recommend that you check out the many sites that offer opinions on this game.Cranston Lamont (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent source

I am a bit dubious to that recently added source. Not only is the website quite NSFW, but how do we know she is not just a lookalike? The person in the adverts looks quite computer generated to me. Zeyra (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I made a careless mistake in trying to re-source it (apologies) - not noticing that her name was mentioned in the comments section. I agree that her website is not a good source. In addition, we know that at least one picture was lifted from a costume website.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Age of empires 2 Copyright issues

I added a quick fact about Evony using AoE2 graphics without permission. Said fact was removed for probably lacking proper source (since blogs aren't allowed as source apparently). Still it's a fact that I think shouldn't be ignored (it's obvious if you compare screen-shots of AoE2 and Evony, but original research isn't allowed here either). I been looking for a non-blog source regarding this issue, but hadn't any luck. Anyone else? Ailure (talk) 13:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372408

a froum... does that count? ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.2.152 (talk) 07:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree. Those images were definitely lifted directly from Age of Empires II. When I spent a couple days playing the game, I found that almost all the image names and sprites, down to the pictures of villagers building stuff, were lifted directly from AOE2. Furthermore, the playing style is VERY reminiscent of an online game on the gaming website Kongregate.com called Divine Generals.2/\/\flaviu5 (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Found an article in regards to this: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/04/evony-speaks-to-ars.ars/2 There's a ton of good information there for this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.172.120 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

"Evony Player Perception" section

Said section seems pretty WP:OR and generally pointless, especially without references. Anyone for keeping it? Otherwise, we can chuck it... BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 15:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted it - it's unsourced and clearly promotional. No need for discussion, really.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Game vs. Marketing Strategy

Most people visit this article for one valid reason: To determine what the general consensus is with regards to this game's marketing strategy: whether it is successful and to what degree. As of yet, there are no leads to this, however. It seems nobody has even been able to find the company behind them. Public companies have to record details somewhere... Seem's nobody is looking in the right places. PS To get game tips, visit a gaming website, really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.178.249 (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Critical reception

Evony / Civony is a Browser-based MMORTS, and because this genre is rather unpopulated, most of the games can fall in three categories Text-based (old-skool), Unique (indy trash) and commercial Travian clones. Why are they clones of Travian ? Because it was the first successful game, it offered understandable resource/gameplay/gui model and of course people tend to follow the leader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.133.218.111 (talk) 16:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

False Advertising

I'd like to point out that all of the ads for this game claim that it is "free forever", Yet multiple sources reveal that it actually costs money to speed up unit producion to be less than minutes at a time per unit, and even to post chat messages after your first few have been posted. That and the entire ad contreversy with the scantily clad women when there are no women in the game at all. Shouldn't this be added to the article, or brought up to the authorities? False adveritsing is ilegal last time I checked. --165.154.24.172 (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there are quite a few women in the game, or at least players who claim to be women. They are not usually depicted graphically however, except as generic character head pics of which there are a very limited number. I have no idea how they are clad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.36.61 (talk) 08:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The Ads are very, very misleading. The recent one features two bikini-clad blondes with big and the tagline "you can play discreetly". Thats very suggestive... no I did not click the ad hoping to find porn. I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.234.72 (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe there is some truth to their "Play Discreetely" tagline. The game does provides a mechanism to change the page/tab title to any arbitrary title. Segin (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Back to the original commit it is actualy free to play that what it means so really the ads are not false somewhat. I don't agree with the some of the adds since they attract some that are looking for a differant venue than what evony provides or are expecting something that is indescent. I play evony and i fine it a game were if yoou dont spend real money to advance you will be attacked constantly by others as you try to build yourself up. This just like WOW were there is a markat to buy equipment and other items using outside monatary to purchase them but Evony puts to much reliance unpon this system this is were alot of players find evony so distasteful for the most part. I realy dont see how anyone could say that an ad convinced them that a game is't worth checking out or how an ad decides if a game is worth trying an ad is meant to put out there and even if everyone that has an opoin that mattered said baised opoins about wich for the most everyone that has judge the game has. Evony has its pros and cons just like every other online game.Popa01 (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

An ad can help give the buyer an idea of what it's supposed to be about and the target demographic. When the ads try to make it come off as almost a porn game, despite being a Civilization clone, then there's a problem because they're blatantly portraying it differently. I'm not going to be persuaded to play a game that has a pair of tits and the message 'play discreetly' for an ad, though I like empire building games, because it looks like something else. Also, WoW doesn't have a system where you can buy game goods using real money- they outright discourage people from buying gold or items with real U.S dollars from other players. Buying items in game is only through using in-game gold- which Blizzard pressures players to get through legit game means like questing, rather than through buying off gold farmers. Any content in the games can only be gotten through the expansions (Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King, Cataclysm)or the reg WoW. You don't spend money to buy individual items- content comes in a lump sum with expansion. Sorry- but I play WoW and the wiki says otherwise, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.162.195 (talk) 05:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Rewrite?

An anonymous IP added a rewrite template to the article. Personally, I think the article is good, fairly clean, pretty well-structured. I am considering removing it. Thoughts? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 17:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks OK to me. The one criticism I have, and this isn't because I'm a degenerate, horny, drooling jerk whose only contact with women is through websites, is that there isn't an image of the ads anywhere in the article. I think the presence of at least one of them to illustrate the subject would probably be reasonable, particularly under the circumstances, as I think, at this point, they might be what the game is best known for in the broader world. Considering that there seems to be some question about the last ad, maybe it, maybe not. John Carter (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Warnings

Will someone (User:VsevolodKrolikov) please explain to me why warnings on bad behavior or practices are not appropriate to the program under discussion. Proposed text:

Warning!

Creating and operating an Evony Account requires the surrender of an email address. As account resets are disabled and there is no provision for account deletion, this becomes permanent. DO NOT use a personal, corporate, or otherwise permanent email address for Evony account registration. Always use a temporary or throw-away email address.

The above is 100% true and verifyable.

Please link citations ...

Slamlander (talk) 15:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

If it's verifiable and there have been official warnings made, then you are welcome to provide the sources. Please do not add unverified, POV material to wikipedia. And new comments on a talk page go at the bottom, not the top.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Evony ads appearing in educational website

This game ads also appear in educational website. I can verify that an Evony ad appear in Yahoo! Answers and a website about the American independence war. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 20:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

When you say verify, do you mean that you have sources for this? Why are these websites of particular interest? The ads have been on lots of different websites.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Verify means that I can get you a screenshot of the ads on the website. On the article it mention only gaming website and forums when in fact it should say many website. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 07:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The article doesn't say only gaming and web forums. In any case, screenshots are not good as sourcing, but a reliable source saying that the ads are on lots of different websites would be a good source.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering that yahoo answers is probably primarily frequented mostly by teens and preteens, who I think merit more than any of the rest of us to be exposed to harmless sexual stimuli like this - especially in the context of humor, I give props to evony for brightening the internet a little bit. Who's idea was it originally that teenagers should be kept sexually uneducated? I just see this having bad consequences.outskut (talk) 06:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Evony successor

I have received an email inviting me to the beta testing of Evony's successor called napwars. I think that should be mentioned in the article. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 07:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Include the fact that you've been invited? Or are you saying that a game is notable because you personally have an email about it? I mean in this in the nicest way, but I think you need to read up on WP:Notability, WP:Verifiability and WP:truth. Wikipedia is not a collection of things that editors claim is true. We only follow WP:reliable sources, and editors themselves are not reliable sources.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it may qualify as notable that Evony is getting a successor, not that he was invited to the beta. But we do need a credible source to verify it. (How the heck do I sign this?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.45.138 (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Put four tildes ( ~ x 4) after your comment.Matttoothman (talk) 01:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

POV problems

I get that whoever runs Evony has conducted themselves like a bunch of scurvy shyster bastards, but this is a hit piece, plain and simple. "A player is excessively encouraged to use real money"? Using John Bardinelli's blog and a forum post on cprogramming.com as a source for the claim that Evony spams? Come on, guys - this doesn't live up to Wikipedia's standards at all. The article is dangerously close to just being another anti-Evony blog post. 66.214.210.163 (talk) 07:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. There are 3-4 really unacceptable sources and corresponding points of information (a Google forum?) on here right now that I'll get around to dealing with one of these days. Remember, too, that you have the power to do any of this yourself, but, yeah. I'll be looking into it. Thanks. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 00:58, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned it up. Better? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 04:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that's much better. I'm going to go ahead and remove that tag. By the way, this is the same IP, at a different IP. 66.224.70.106 (talk) 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

There are still some POV problems. The latest attempt at 'sourcing' some of the criticisms involved using a google search, an article edit page, and forum posts, as sources. There's also some brilliant attempts at including pro-Evony 'user comments'. Geoff B (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

User Kazvorpal accused me of censoring the page. His sources for his edit are:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evony&action=edit#cite_note-guardian150709-5 which is a link to editing the wikipedia page for Evony.
• http://www.mechscapeworld.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11014 and http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3301096/Evony-Copying-RuneScape.html which are forum posts.
• http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en___US360&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=evony+%22not+really+free%22 which is a Google search.
• http://www.gossipgamers.com/evony-hands-on-review-formerly-civony/ which appears to be a gaming site. This one appears to be closest to an RS, but I've never seen it before, so I'm a little wary.
• http://www.nerdnology.com/post/2009/10/12/Why-Im-leaving-Evony.aspx which is a blog.
• http://bbs.evony.com/showpost.php?p=766049&postcount=8 which is a forum post.

None of those are reliable sources AFAIK, and so cannot be used to support the information Kazvorpal insists on including in the article.

Kazvorpal stated Real editors FIX things, instead of just censoring them whole cloth.

Presumably he is a 'real' editor and I am not. I suggest a real editor would find reliable sources, instead of using a handful of unreliable sources to support a hatchet job.

Kazvorpal also said That's probably why you are on probation for engaging in petty edit wars.

No idea what this means, Wikipedia has no probation system AFAIK. Geoff B (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

As a side note, I don't believe John Bardinelli is a bad source. He's lead reviewer at Jay is Games and has written for Joystiq, I've used his work as a source several times. If his opinion is labelled as such then why couldn't it be used to comment on the adverts? Link to the blog post. Someoneanother 04:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The issue there is not with the writer, but with it being a blog. However, it may be eligible (I'm thinking of this bit Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.). Geoff B (talk) 08:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Looking at that part of RS again, it is strongly worded. The piece is about something rather than someone (which is important per RS), Bardinelli has been quoted in Edge which is a highly regarded magazine, which also points to his reliability. Since he's only discussing what is already in the article and cited to others I think it's a legitimate use of a blog post, particularly if it is attributed to him in his capacity as a freelance gaming journalist. Someoneanother 20:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

No objections from me, seems eligible. Geoff B (talk) 21:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

There's a Pop Matters source here as well. But looking at the sources present in the article and these ones here.. is it right to have an article on the game when all the sources are focused on the advertising campaign? The amount of unsuitable sources being used is just a symptom of the game itself not being under the spotlight. Someoneanother 21:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

How many reliable sources are there in the article that deal with the game itself, rather than the ads? One? Geoff B (talk) 11:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Evony successor (Nap Wars) and Company behind Evony

I finally found the website for Nap Wars, Evony's successor http://napwar.com/. Apperantly the company is trading under another name (Soho Union International Ltd.). See the copyright infomation at the bottom of the page. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 23:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Potential Danger!

I heard rumors that the Evony website has Malware and is therefore considered an Attack Site. Can anyone confirm this? --Arima (talk) 07:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, my son went to the website and we became infected. It took me a little over 8 hours to remove the malware from our system which included a trojan and worm virus. Users beware! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.40.111.235 (talk) 21:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, but apparently someone added some unsourced info to that effect. It'd be nice if it could be sourced. --24.80.163.219 (talk) 08:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I personally went to the Evony website to play the free game. I registered and played for one hour. The game was a Dungeons and Dragons style role playing game and wasn't very fun. The next day when I did a virus scan I found that the downloaded component to the Evony game contained a virus. I had to run a program to search out the virus/malware/adware that was put on my hard drive by the Evony program and delete it completely from my hard drive. I will never go to the Evony website ever again. Qewr4231 (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Considering that all other sources say that it's not an rpg at all, but a strategy game more akin to Civilization, I have to wonder if you played the right game... 18:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.233.73 (talk)

Buncha' new info, but poorly sourced

So a bunch of new information on the game's gameplay was just added, but some (if not much of it) is either not sourced, or sourced with the Evony Wiki, which, as established before, is not a reliable source. What to do? Should it all be removed? Should the source tags be removed and citation tags be put in their places? It's really helpful to have this new information, and a pity that it doesn't come to us reliably. What to do? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 02:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me like we've got both pro- and anti-Evony types who won't use (or can't find) reliable sources to support what they add to the article. Evony seems like a pretty poor game, and perhaps the creators are dishonest enough to even deserve a hatchet job here on WP, but we don't do that sort of thing. The Evony wiki, if it's done by players, isn't notable or reliable. Geoff B (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Section which mentions medals

I usually find 1 medal from 6 attacks when i choose to medal hunt, all you need to do is target lvl 9 valleys and send 20k archers and 1 of every other troop as layers.For it to say that its "nigh on impossible" to find medals is wrong.You just have to know how to hunt for them.The layers always give the archers extra rounds to fire and ive never had a defeat using this method and i never scout valleys.I'm on server 84. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.103.189.158 (talk) 09:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Sections about Mass Account Closures and Player Recourse

This was added because these are the actions Evony has taken recently. It was added in as neutral a tone as I could word. This additional information relevant since closing player accounts is seemingly new and different to the company's previous standards of suspend then reinstate.

I've been following the game trying to decide if I want to play it. I'm still on the fence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.195.4 (talk) 05:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You must provide reliable sources. Woogee (talk) 05:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well one would think a company employee stating, "Yes, we did that." would be reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.195.4 (talk) 06:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

06:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Why would one think that? Anybody can post anything on their own website. It's not reliable till a neutral source says it. Woogee (talk) 06:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay section rewrite needed

Because the vast majority of the section 'Gameplay' is based off of info from 'Evonypedia' (a source that has been established as not being one that is acceptable in this case), the entire section needs to be cleaned up and rewritten fom sources other than Evonypedia. Anyone up to it? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 19:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Aye, can do. Geoff B (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Balance

I came to this wiki because I've seen so many ads for the game I just wanted a sense of the game. While I edit articles, I have no intent to play this game, so I will not be likely to do any editing here. But the introduction said to me, an uninformed person, loudly and clearly, "This game sucks." It said nothing useful about the game in terms of how or why it is played, and even from a technical standpoint, it is said to be web-based, but I can only naively guess it's PHP. I cannot see how this introduction can be considered useful, unless this is widely and broadly considered an absolutely awful game in every single way. Even if that's true the introduction is just not balanced at all. How can a game have so much marketing money if no one is playing it? If people are playing it, there must be some appeal. Please make the article fair and balanced. DAID (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now I'm going to be critical. I am not trying to offend anyone who works on this article, and I like to emphasize that wikipedia is only possible because people create and edit articles. But this article appears to have a serious issue of balance. Controversy is organizationally at the top, and that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't even sound like controversy to me at all. It sounds exactly like marketing. Bill Hicks once said that the ideal add would just be a naked woman; he put in some other remarks, but this was his idea. At the very least, this "controversy" should be under a 'marketing' section, and should appear well after the game play itself is given attention. And what, I'd like to know, is actually controversial? Does the company actually purport that this is pornography? It is, in my opinion, well known, that a higher percentage of online gamers are male, and I'm just going to conclude that this is a genius marketing campaign. So what if they market in a clever way which doesn't reflect the game play. They aren't literally writing, "This game will get you laid by these hot digital women." This is an interpretation people are interpreting as a controversy, but who's arguing here? This is how marketing works. It takes something and makes it appealing without actually lying to you. If you want to complain about the irrelevance of skantily clad women in marketing, there must be a page for that, and its happening all over the world all the time. Drinking some beer is related to beautiful women? I'm not even checking, but I bet the major beer company pages do not start with controversy sections about the exact same behavior. The game can get crap reviews for its game play, and that's fine. But talking about the marketing campaign first and foremost is absurd, and critiquing appalling, but absolutely common place marketing techniques, should not dominate this article. DAID (talk) 19:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

"This is an interpretation people are interpreting as a controversy" - exactly. People, including journalists writing in reliable sources, have interpreted it as controversial, so we report it as such. Whether you or I happen to agree with those journalists is irrelevant. And if those same journalists were writing tons of articles about how 'controversial' a certain brewery's adverts were - to the extent that they dominated coverage of the company and its product - then we would report them in an appropriately prominent way. Olaf Davis (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I also think that the whole reason this is notable enough for its own article is all the buzz that the "controversial" ad campaign has generated. The game itself is pretty unremarkable. As such, I think it should focus on the ad campaign.Matttoothman (talk) 01:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Caesary on Kongregate

I can't help but notice the similarities in structure and cost between Evony and the game Caesary, which appears on Kongregate.com. I've tried to find some proof that they're produced by the same company but haven't gotten anything yet. I think it bears looking into whether or not Caesary is a clone or simply a shuffle of Evony stuck into a new environment with the intention of hooking additional players for the same crap game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.10.188 (talk) 23:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Caesary was derived from, and made by the same company as Kingory (which came before Evony). Probably the same people, as far as everything I've seen suggests. 213.249.174.10 (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I just saw it on TowerDefenseGames.net. Got a couple of screenshots, pretty hilarious ones.Matttoothman (talk) 01:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

In January 2011 Evony filed a copyright infringement lawsuit against both Aeria Games & Entertainment Inc and Feng Investment Ltd (makers of Caesary). [5] [6]. It appears Evony claimed Caesary used copied source code. I found this after seeing a forum thread about Lekool's removal of Caesary this October. I did not find much more on this and I am unsure whether and how this should be added to the article. (Caesary was removed from Kongregate in April as far as I remember). -84user (talk) 23:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Censorship

All the info listed are primary sources from the defendants own website. I would suggest that this may be an attempt by Bruce himself to bring more attention and noteriety to his cause. With out any reliable 3rd party sources (of which I have been able to find none) I'd suggest that maybe the whole section should go. ANyone else care to share their thoughts? 209.91.107.253 (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Eric Lam scamming heroes

Eric Lam the ceo is ruining his own game by creating ridicuously high lvl heroes on new servers then selling them on at $1000+

This completly unbalances the game and is a breach of his own rules we cant break the rules so why can he. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.43.123 (talk) 10:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Eric Lam was not selling heroes, Eric Smithe sold heroes and cities along with thousands of us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.98.120 (talk) 03:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

This is Correct as I'm Eric, And not Lam.It was just added mystery, The name comes from one of my main characters Magneto, And as Magneto and I, We are both named Eric.. However, Eric Lam is just a Coincidence. But yes, their were heroes available, but not just on new servers. "EVERY SERVER" :). Howerver I have been Retired for years now. Resting in the sands of PR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.5.186.83 (talk) 16:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

The Above is Correct, This is Eric. However i was not Mr Lam, I am Retired from Evony and the General Public. Correction, The Heroes were on Every Server. But just like everything, once it becomes general public.. its just a matter of time.. however, I was doing it professionally for about 4 Years. Come catch a Wave with me off the coast of PR... about 90 miles or so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.5.186.83 (talk) 17:05, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Bots

I've been playing Evony for 2 years and there is a severe problem with the use of bots (third party software) by players to automate ingame functions. I have included a short section on this.

This section was removed by somebody I have put it back - 06.01.2012.

Aether-1

I believe that a section on Aether-1 should remain as it was a publicity stunt for Evony and many gamers believed it was supposed to be something else (Evony Age 3). A Facebook page was used to post info on it with clues on what it was to be about, however the page is gone.

Can an administrator can point a reason why it is not needed?

--Cms13ca (talk) 13:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with the user who removed the section, mainly because the only mentions of it are on the Evony discussion boards. If there had been much discussion of it in independent press it might be worth mentioning, but a couple of forum posts which are (apparently) about it does not meet WP:RS or WP:V. Are you aware of any third-party coverage?

Incidentally, I am an administrator but that doesn't make my opinion on what we should include any more or less valid than yours, or that of the editor who removed the section. Olaf Davis (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Excess Hero Bullet Info

• A Hero can be assigned as Mayor. (Optional, but important, it decreases training and research times. It can also increase resource production.)
• A Hero must lead attacks on other players cities, valleys and barbarian cities (NPCs).
• A Hero may be assigned to lead Scouting missions. (Optional, but useful)
• A Hero may be assigned to lead Reinforcement missions. (Optional, but useful)
• If your city is attacked, the Hero with the highest Attack attribute will defend your city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bananasoldier (talk • contribs) 06:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Bias

The controversy section seems blatantly biased against Evony. For example, the censorship was described as "absurd" and "ludicrous", which are not neutral words. Only one point of view is presented. The entire section seems as though it is written by one bitter person with bad personal experiences.76.88.160.97 (talk) 01:15, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Ad Campaign Success

I made a brief addition to this section regarding how successful the ad campaign actually was.. per the article I referenced, Evony had 27 million registered users by late 2011. Please note that this just means how many people signed up to play the game, not how many were actually active at this time, and I made sure my addition stated this. Levontaun (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

While the article referenced does state 27 million users, they do not source where that figure is derived from. At the time, the 27 million figure was commonly quoted by Evony staff itself on their message forums with no independent source for verification. Also this figure was supplied shortly after Evony Age 2 integrated with Facebook, and thus, it is suspected that many of the users were simply click-thrus from advertisements which, upon entering the game, did not translate into active users. The quoted 27 million number was highly suspect for one simple reason: A quick visit to most of the servers, viewing the player list, would list players 10 to a page, and at the bottom of the page, there was a total number of pages count. Simple math 10x# of pages would yield the number of players on that server. A random sample of servers (old and new) yielded an average player count of roughly 25k per server. Even today, the "newest" server shows a player count of 33k. Furthermore, many players had numerous alts, and most players played simultaneously of several servers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tentpig (talk • contribs) 22:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Ad misrepresentation

The article mentions misrepresentation in advertisements. This has apparently continued with the successor game Evony: The King's Return, which is advertised as purely a puzzle game. While there are puzzles to solve, they are nothing like what is shown in the ads, and the game isn't about puzzles, it's about building up a city and its resources, and battling monsters and enemy players, with lots of complicated game mechanics. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Adress of the managing

I found anywhere the address of this game , someone is able to give it to me ? 186.159.189.128 (talk) 18:36, 29 April 2023 (UTC)