Talk:Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities

NPOV

The sections on every active house seem very much like they are written by members of said house, active or otherwise, with varying degrees of information provided about each house. I do not understand the relevance of including updates to the status of the bathroom renovations in Bones Gate, nor does it seem verifiable that the sisters of Kappa Delta have “one of the strongest sisterhoods on Dartmouth College campus.” 129.170.195.216 (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Rationale for edits 30 Nov 2023

Large portions of this article featured double spaces after periods (.). This has been changed.

A sentence in the section on Bones Gate read “The brothers of Bones Gate strive to live by their credo of welcoming friends to their house.” Given that this claim is more or less impossible to substantiate, it has been removed.

A paragraph in the section on Sigma Phi Epsilon that was, almost in its entirety, a summary of the national organisation’s “Balanced Man Program,” has been removed (probably WP:NPOV).

Clunky wording vis-à-vis David Benioff’s “now [when?] producing Lovecraft [what does this mean] has been removed.

The introductory sentence for Zeta Psi seems to be trying to draw a link between the house’s “central location” on frat row and its status as the fifth house founded on campus. Given that the oldest house on campus, Psi U, is decidedly not on Webster Ave (nor were Phi Gamma Delta or Delta Kappa Epsilon, two long-defunct fraternities predating Zeta Psi) this analysis is tendentious at best (WP:NOR), and has thus been revised. An unsubstantiated (and likely outdated) paragraph about Zete’s philanthropic endeavours has also been removed.

Alpha Kappa Alpha is active as of 2023, and a citation has been added to reflect this.

Kappa Delta could very well have “one of the strongest sisterhoods on Dartmouth College campus,” but this statement has been removed (WP:NPOV).

Large portions of the section on Kappa Kappa Gamma are attributed to one citation which houses a dead link. Thankfully, the citation includes an archived version of the website, but said archived version contains none of the information present in the sentences citing it. These sentences have been removed.

References to “coeducational fraternities” in the introduction to the section on gender-inclusive Greek houses have been replaced with “gender inclusive (Greek) house.”

More to come...

CongealedBox (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Kiwiz1338 (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities → Dartmouth College Greek organizations – This is technically a request for a reversion. I recognise that Rublamb gave this page its current name as (I'm assuming) part of the fraternities and sororities WikiProject, but this new name does sort of obscure the fact that Dartmouth houses three gender-inclusive Greek houses that do not refer to themselves as fraternities and sororities. The article itself uses "Greek organization" as an umbrella term quite liberally, anyway. CongealedBox (talk) 03:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• oppose: The WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities have been working on standardizing article names within types. This article's name was changed as part of that process after a discussion of the preferred naming convention. (The other convention in use for this type of article is "XYZ College student organizations", used for articles that include organizations that do not fall under Greek life.) The short answer is that it is easier for Wikipedia users to find information if articles are named consistently. Because not all users are familiar with the term "Greek", that term sometimes causes confusion. As to your concerns, there is much variation in types of organizations across all campuses; this is not unique to Dartmouth College. For example, not all fraternities and sororities have Greek letter names and some women’s organizations call themselves fraternities. Gender-inclusive groups are becoming more common and are not unique to Dartmouth. You are correct that the article's content was not rewritten to reflect its new name, other than a change to its lede. This article addresses the issue through the use of sub-sections for fraternities, sororities, and gender-inclusive. This is clearly presented and should address any issues or confusion. Rublamb (talk) 12:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• oppose per this discussion Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_16#Greek_organization—blindlynx 16:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• oppose - I think a high bar is set by the benefit of easy or consistent searchability for pages listing fraternity, sorority, and society chapters when these have consistent naming syntax. Searchability when looking for gender-inclusive groups isn't reduced by the current naming syntax (matching our standard), nor are these types of groups so common at Dartmouth that they make up more than a fraction among their GLO peers in comparison with otherwise single-gender groups. [Language updated since initial comment.] Jax MN (talk) 19:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.