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In the book entitled “SRI VADIRAJA CHARITRE” more details are given which conclusively established that at no time the Daivajnya Brahmins had any mutt of their own nor a Mathadipathi of Swamier of Sode Mutt, Udupi and none else had any authority either to guide the members of Daivajnya Brahmin community in spiritual and religious matters, the principal idol of worship of His Holiness Sode mutt Swamier was given by a member of Daivajnya Brahmins, centuries back.Even today the Daivajnya Brahmins follow the Vaishnav Sampradaya in their Sandhyavandana. At Goa, there are the principal deities of Daivajnya Brahmins which are of Shiva and Shakti cult, truly Shiva is one of the different forms of Vishnu and the Vishnu Purusha Roopa is in the form of a Linga, which is a historic fact in the Purana’s (Epic’s) .daivajnya Brahmins are claimed as “SURYA VANSHI ARYA BRAHMAN’S”, as Lord Surya is one of the forms of Lord Vishnu, it is rightly said that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnav cult.With regard to the Gokarna case, fought in 1927 .The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult .
Maps
Notable
/* Notable Daivadnya Individuals */ *Ramesh Lotlikar (Supdt of police , Goa) , *Saresh Lotlikar (Senior Council, Goa), *Rahul Lotlikar must have wiki pages to be included under Notable. Notable is a reserved word of wiki. Must have wiki articles to be listed under notable. Localsales (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Question
MAY I ASK U THE PROOF FOR THE NON ACCEPTENCE OF VAISHNAVISM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talk • contribs) 20:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
u have mentioned only about goan daivajnya s .that itself says that u r history starts only from goa. wat about our history before that. does it say that daivajnya brahmins never existed before they came to goa.no one knows about our history in past before we entered the borders of goa ,nor there is a true evidence about our significant existence.u mean to say the daivajnya brahmins settled in karnataka and maharashtra does not come in ur history.. history should be universal. the ultimate truth and unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talk • contribs) 09:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The newely constituted Karki mutt in karki is just created and controlled by a group of Daivajnya Brahmins who self acclaimed the new mutt and the new constituted swamier as the person who represents the whole Daivajnya Brahmin community. but in real he is just constituted only as the outcome of clashes of two Daivajnya groups. And the whole of south Karnataka including many parts of Maharashtra do not seem to have actually accepted him as thier spiritual pontiff.the Daivajnya Brahmins settled in south Karnataka and Daivajnya Brahmins who migrated to Maharashtra who call themselves as Kanara Daivajnyas ,till date follow the Madhwa tradition in their daily Pujas and Sandhyavandana customs applying Gopichandana with Madhwa Mudras
You are leading astray!
You are leading astray! Panchayatana Puja was propagated only by Shankaracharya!and not anyone else,for sure they did not get patronage of any Shankar Matha in the past,nor did any other Brahmin community in Goa did,that does not mean that they did not know how to lead their life without any virtues,so I just wanna convey that Goan Daivajnas were not and are not Vaishnavas,and all the Daivajnas who had migrated to Karnataka have adopted Vaishnavism,lets end this discussion here! Thank you!
I would like to know about present situation,and relation of Kanara Daivajnas with sodhe math,and about Daivajnas who follow Madhwa religion!That would be of great help!
Gautamgoa1984 (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Images
please insert the image of present pontiff of sode vadiraja mutt of udupi ,the guru mutt of daivajnya brahmins .who represents the daivajnya brahmins of south india . the image link is as below
Answer
Goan Daivajnas never followed Vaishnavism now do they follow it till date,I belong to a Goan Daivajna family,even though our Kuldevata is Lakshmi we worship her in the form of Shakti and not as Vishnu's wife,and I am talking about only Goan Daivajnas who now follow Karki mutt,and you cannot force people to accept your views which are heavily biased,and Wikipedia is not a place to fight or argue about such things! so I request you not to edit articles with half knowledge,Kanara Daivajnas follow Vaishnavism and we do not have any problem with that,telling you for the last time,just by editing articles you cannot change history or facts.
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i have not mentioned anything about goan daivajnya brahmins.. even i have my kuladevatha in goa i.e shree shiroda kamakshi devi..my point is very clear. Daivajnya Brahmins from ancient times have never accepted any spiritual guru other than shree vadiraja swamiji of sode mutt only in 15 th century. Daivajnya Brahmins even dint accept Madhwacharya as thier guru because we dont have any proof for that, but a few families may have been accepted or influenced by his teachings.. Daivajnya Brahmins were nor advaithis of shankara tatva.. the worship of 5 dieties is very prominent but we cannot claim that i was influenced by Shankaracharya.. there is no records which claim that daivajnya brahmins have celebrated smartha dharma and applied bhasma . worshippin shiva alone cannot be claimed as smarthis.
- The order of census department of 1981: 3. Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajnya should write as Daivajnya Brahmins in the census and not as mere Daivajna, return accordingly, they are reported in the Brahmin class in 1891.”
- Daivajnya Brahmins are claimed as “SURYA VANSHI ARYA BRAHMAN’S”, as Lord Surya is one of the forms of Lord Vishnu, it is rightly said that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnav cult.
- With regard to the Gokarna case, fought in 1927 .The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult . The then Bombay census chief Mr. Drew has recorded the Daivajnya Brahmins as top class Brahmins.
About Goan daivajnas
History says that Daivajnas in Goa did not adopt Vaishnavism in 13th century when Madhwacharya had visited Goa in 13th century,and till date Goan Daivajnas are Advaitis and follow all smartha traditions,it was only the diaspora in Karnataka that adopted Vaishnavism,and in history of Goan Daivajnas till date,there is not even a single mention saying they are Vaishnavites,nor did they have any spiritual leader,so above thing is not applicable to Goan Daivajnas who now follow Karki Math
Please stop deleting articles
If you keep editing and deleting article and its parts I would block you from editing articles!
He is our Guru,not yours.then respects others faith,you have no right to tell us whom we should follow or what we should follow!
And wikipedia is not kids play,images cannot be updated without any permission from the site administrator!
Gautamgoa1984 (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
</gallery>==My stand on sode mutt== i have no personal greviences with the new constituited karki mutt pontiff.. my point is very clear.. wikipedia is renowned platform to present true facts and informations relating to the subject. i appreciate ur efforts. but my concern is towards uniting the vast splitted daivajnya brahmins. ur facts relating to the community mutt and traditions is subject to represent only one side of daivajnyas. when ur article is representing the whole of daivajnya samaj i.e approx 2 million daivajnya souls . u have the responsibility to publish both the mutt and their representing pontiffs. if ur not doing so. ur giving a wrong message not only to us daivajnya brahmins but also to the other communities and general public.Sonar shet (talk) 11:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
change refrence number
The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult.[110] the link 110 to the refrence book u have mentioned is wrong . it is in the book vishwabrahmanakulotsaha or vishwabrahmanara ithihasa book page no 139--Sonar shet (talk) 10:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Subdivisions in Karnataka and Kerala
The Subdivisions of Daivajnas in Karnataka and Kerala
- Karwari
- Bhatkalkar
- Kochikar
Gautam karekar 09:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
daivajnya 's are daivajnya brahmins and should not be written as daivadnya
daivajnya brahmins should be named and pronounced as daivajnya brahmins in all records and not daivadnya , daivadnea , and should always suffix brahmins before daivajnya . this point has been recorded in the census report as thus, The then Bombay census chief Mr. Drew has recorded the Daivajna Brahmins as top class Brahmins. The order of census department of 1981:Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajna should wrote as Daivajna Brahmins in the census 1891.
daivajnya 's are daivajnya brahmins and should not be written as daivadnya, but unfortunately many of the government notifications and records have mentioned inappropriately ,which needs to be rectified .--Sonar shet (talk) 10:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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some facts about daivajna community!
Most of the non-Daivajna witers and anthropologists relate Daivajna community with "Vishwajna" the fifth son of Vishwakarma,which is not true,neither is Daivajna synonym for Vishwajna,but historians do get confuse between both often and call Daivajnas amongst one of the Vishwajnas,who are found in AP,Karnataka.Daivajans do not have those gotras(Daivajnas have saptarshi gotras,eg atri,kashyap,vatsa),nor do they worship Vishwakarma,Daivajnas never claimed to be Vishwakarmas descendents,Daivajna means one who knows the future or an astrologer, and not Vishwajna,Daivajnas have adopted Jewellery trade n goldsmithy as ancillary occupations,the Shastris and Pundits from the community say that their ancestors used to offer Gold as Havis in the Yajna,and thats the reason they still are connected with the precious metal and claim to be superior than Vishwakarmas!In fact up-till recently Daivajnas from Goa did not even know about Vishwakarma and his son Vishwajna (or Daivajna as they call him)!In most of the cases Vishwakarma Vishwajan goldsmiths work under the Konkani speaking Daivajnas.
- This is one of the reason,the Bombay census chief Mr. Drew insists them to write their caste name as Daivajna Brahmins as top classcand not just Daivajna ( which can lead to confusion and might be confused with Vishwajna).
The order of census department of 1981:Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajna should write as Daivajna Brahmins in the census in 1891.
- There is a distinction in Maharashtra amongst the Panchals called as Daivagna,and not as Daivajna Brahmins,they have gotras like Pratanasha,Vishwajna,Parita,Saursen,Manibhadra and have surnames like Dikshit,Pandit,Mahamuni and are supposed to follow Pranava Veda (which are not found in Daivajna Brahmins),recently these Panchals have started calling themselves as Daivajna Brahmins.
LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION ANY MORE!
Gautam 08:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Pravaras
Pravaras again
- Saankhyaan : Vishwamitra, Aghamarshana, Devaratha
- Gaargya : Angirasa, Sainya, Gaargya
- Parashara : Vasistha, Saktya, Parasahara
Does anyone know the Pravaras for Surya,Savita,Koustubh,Vishwagni gotras?
What is not to be mentioned
==History==
===Genelogy===
Historians (in the ref states Nagendranath Basu,Dr.Shreedhar Venkatesh Ketkar,Ad.Pandurang Purushottam Shirodkar,Vithal Raghvendra Mitragori,Balkrishna D.Kamat Satoskar in their research).
What research? no book has been published on their research so it has to be replaced with a better source.
continued....These Bhojaka Brahmins are believed to have descended from Iranian Sun and Fire worshipper Shakadwipiya Magas (शाकद्वीपीय मग[1]) and are believed to have settled in Sambapura[2] and then to Magadha.Daivajnas have many common traits that are found in Bhojakas[3].The descendency of Daivajna Brahmins from Maga and Bhoja Brahmins is also suggested on the basis of the interest shown by the former in performing arts such as dance and drama.Magas and Bhojas were expert in performing arts.Following Shloka from Bhavishyapuran justifies the above statement:
| “ | वाद्यनाम् शंखशब्दंश्च नृत्यं नाट्यं मतं मम[4] | ” |
- Translation please!
The doctrinal basis for that assertion is Bhavishya Purana 133, which may be summarized as follows[5][6]:
Krishna's son Samba was afflicted with leprosy, which was cured after he worshipped Surya.He built a temple for Surya on the banks of the Chandrabhaga...... appointed them priests of the Surya temple.
- Talks only about "Bhojaka Brahmins" & "Maga Brahmins", the article is about "Daivadnya"s, is'nt it? Its okay if the community's ancestors are descriped in a line or two. We can have separate "Bhojaka Brahmins" & "Maga Brahmins" articles.
- Please segrigade "References and notes" section with Notes as one section and References as another.
===Migrations from the mainland===
- According to historians (in REF: Vithal Raghavendra Mitragotri) (Inwhich book, newspaper,etc.?)
contd....Similarly about 3500 Daivajna Brahmins have migrated to Bangalore city after 1905 from Dakshina Kannada[7].
translation
वाद्यनाम् शंखशब्दंश्च नृत्यं नाट्यं मतं मम
Vadyanaam--->of the musical instruments
Shankhashabdanshcha---> and of the sound of a conch shell
Nrutyam--->dance
Natyam--->drama
Matam--->could also mean religions or hobbies,or way of life
Mama---> mine
which could be roughly transliterated as
"Playing musical instruments,dance,drama are my hobbies"
- ^ Mahabharata describes four fold Varna system that was followed in Shakadwipa:Maga,Mashaka,Manasa,Madanga,"Mahabharata",Bhishmaparva,Adhyaya-11,Shlokas-35 to 38
- ^ Multān City - Imperial Gazetteer of India, v. 18, p. 35.
- ^ Dr.Shreedhar Venkatesh Ketkar
- ^ Bhavishya Purana,Brahman Parva,Adhyaya 139,Shloka 73
- ^ Misra 1914, p. 150 "Indo-Iranian relations", Tehran: Information Service of India, Embassy of India .
- ^ Chand 1964, p. 4 Chand, Tara (1964),6), "Brāhmaṇa Nirṇaya ", Aligarh
- ^ Karnataka State gazetteer. Vol. 19. Gazetteer Dept. 1965. p. 174.
South Canara
DAIVAJNYA BRAHMINS IN THE SOUTH ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH KANARA CONSIDER DANCE DRAMA ACTING ETC AS THE ACTS WHICH IS NOT TO BE ENCOURAGED ,EXCEPT SINGING BHAJANS AND ART WORKS.PEOPLE AS SEEN HERE NOT TOO MUCH INVOLVED IN IT. 18:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talk • contribs)
Do some research first
This is not a personal attack! but all ur statements seem to be contradictory!
- 1.These arts have been inheited but the Shets of Goa by their ancestors,historians say that they have inherited them from Bhojas
- 2.Migration og the Shets to south Canara,Udupi dates back to 16th century CE,and since then their customs have been modified a lot and they have adopted many other customs which were never found in goan Shets nor are they found in them now!
- 3.For example: Eating fish was never considered degrading amongst the Shets,on the other hand poeple in South canara udupi ,Kerala have given up eating fish coz hey were not accepted by the local brahmins!
- 4.Brahmins of Goa,do not consider singing and drama as demeaning! only the ladies were not allowed to do that! no such instances are found in Goan history!
Gautam 02:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Doubts
- I would like to know wat similarities does daivajnya brahmins and the bhoja or magha brahmins have in common except the inheritence of acts such as dance drama playing musical instruments.which gotra system do they follow.which sutra do they belong to.let me know. 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is there a diety called bahiri bhavani, ekveera ,khanderav in goa or neighbouring states .... 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- For ur kind information i do not claim myself to be a historian nor intend to create false stories.its my keen intrest to involve myself in the process of attempting to find the origin of our mysterious roots. 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talk • contribs)
- Do Daivadnya Brahmins have a custom of not eating any non-vegetarian food after Holi ( or Rang Panachami ) ? The reason I ask this question is one of my Daivadnya friend told me that they don't eat non-veg food from the first Friday after holi to the next Friday. Just curious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.137.18.50 (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Well let me be clear this talk page is only for discussion of the article and how it could be improved.
Let me clear your doubts.
Most or may be all the Shets from Goa and Karwar eat fish on all the festivals(only festivals and not on Vratas or Kulacharas like Chavath,Navaratri,Nagapanchami) Eating fish on festivals like samvatsar padvo or the hindu new year,dasara,or diwali (if it does not coincide with lakshmi puja) and Holi is considered good..and auspicious as eating fish is considered as symbol of prosperity.yes and they do celebrate a fish feast after all major festivals on which they do not eat even onion garlic.especially they celebrate a fish feast aftr the ganesh visarjana is performed.some even eat fish on the same day or the next day.this custom is also followed by goan saraswats.I do not have any idea about Canara daivajnas or konkane daivajnas of mumbai n konkan.
Nijgoykar (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
dandekar dandekar
Surnames
Typical Surnames
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I’m currently doing some research on Daivadnya/Daivajna surnames that are particularly associated with Goan village names, specifically of those who migrated to Konkan regions of Maharashtra. Ratnagiri Shet (talk) 09:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
About Personal opinions!
- ....Learnt daivadnya priests...
the names include
- Vedamurthy Anant Jattaiyya Bhatt Raykar
- Vedamurthy Narayan Bhatt Shejekan
- Vedamurthy Sadashiva Nagenrda Bhatt Revankar
- Vedachudamani Upendra Narayana Bhatt Raykar
and many more
wont u call them learnt? or u think thats a personal opinion?
- ..good food..
Its not personal opinion... thats how its mentioned in Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district ....they are good cooks and moderate eater...("Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district", 1883, volume 15, part 1)
- "They were badly molested by them and tried to degrade them to a level of a shudras in an effort made by the members of the said group to be exclusively called Brahmins."
Molested by the Peshwas and the Chitpavans!
Nijgoykar (talk) 18:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Learnt daivadnya priests is the view of Daivadnyas, the rival groups may call them fools. "Good cook" is - as I said - personal opinion of the author of Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district in 1883. Two problems with good cooks: 1. "good cook" is a relative term, A may say X is a good cook, but B may say X cooks bad food. 2. Now after 100 years, they may not be good cooks. A newer reference is needed. For good food and learnt, see Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Words_that_editorialize.--Redtigerxyz Talk 11:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
daivajnya brahmins are really good i cooking... as i have learnt the older generation daivajnya s use to cook for their own functions or appoint a good cook fron thier own caste. because it is believed that consuming food prepared by a person of other caste was a degrading fact or offense.the daivajnya brahmins of south kanara and uttar kanara of karnataka have been strictly practicing this custom.(User talk:Sonar shet) 16:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
That's out of context. Nijgoykar (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Reference
Here is a GA article that i feel you could use as reference.
Joyson Noel Holla at me! 17:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Social status
- Dr Iravati Karves research seems to be very much biased when it comes to certain groups.Pandurang Purushottam Shirodkar also opines that most of the information written by the other Brahmin scholars like Karve have been biased when it comes to Daivajnas.
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Daivdnya bramhins are originally from Karnataka, they detoroited themself by calling daivadyna sonar they are origal bramhin community.sonar is not caste it is occupation, However, by birth daivadnyas are bramhins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.23.50 (talk) 12:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)