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Latest comment: 1 year ago2 comments2 people in discussion
What is the proof that she has any credentials as a pastor except the fact that she claims she is one? Is that the new standard? 63.155.55.235 (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Three references in the entry verify this claim. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
If there is no objections, can you please move it back. IranianDiaspora (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't see "consent to add it back". I oppose a mere mention of voting against the MAHSA Act unless (1) you can demonstrate that the vote is significant enough to add to her biography, given all of the votes that she takes that don't get added, and (2) it includes some statement from her about why she voted as she voted. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Voting records that are relatively unique are used on most politician's pages. She was one of the three individuals out of 435 representatives to vote no on the bill. I am feeling uncomfortable for the dual standard being applied here because of my nationality. Just the line above my post was another voting record and there is't this kind of scrutiny and/or arbitrary requirements. This is a piece of information that is not only important to the Americans but also the people in the Middle East whether they support it or not. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
This has nothing to do with your nationality. Well, whether or not to include the content doesn't, but it does seem that your nationality is highly influencing your behavior here. There are tons of votes that go this way (430-3 or so), and you haven't demonstrated why you think that this is important to the Americans but also the people in the Middle East – Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
My nationality is not highly influencing my behavior but being targeted is. My addition first got reverted for not having secondary sources which I understood and complied with, then I was baselessly accused of Islamophobia which had nothing to do with this or her and now I see there are higher standards for adding a line about her foreign policy decision. If this was about the Russian president sanctions for example (which I can find references that by no means comply with your standards), I would never have been challenged or labeled like this. IranianDiaspora (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
There are many policies and explanatory essays here. One important piece of the policy on verifiability is that verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Just because Bush voted on the bill doesn't mean that we have to include it. We have to measure the WP:WEIGHT of the vote. Since I don't see any mainstream U.S. publications covering it, I don't think it's DUE to include. Her stances on the Russian invasion may well have more significant coverage and could be due. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Nail and a sledge hammer. I am not suggesting a theory or alleging anything strange (like flat-earth, etc), I backed it with resources but hey, they are not from Pulitzer prize winning authors that the mainstream media covers.
You can feel proud of yourself from suppressing the voice of a minority. Good luck IranianDiaspora (talk) 02:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
If you look at the edit history you’ll see that on November 11, I made five edits cutting back material that similarly lacked indication of significance so the allegation this is about nationality is baseless. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Discussion on personal talk pages don’t imply consensus especially not when multiple editors have reverted your change; you need to have the discussion on the entry’s talk page where all interested editors can participate. Additionally, voting records are not sufficient basis for inclusion, per WP:NOR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Thank you for pointing to the problems with the Barbara Lee page; I have removed the original research there too. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
As to the secondary sources cited, the All Arab News appears to be a solo blog with no indication of a fact-checking process or editorial oversight, and is therefore not a reliable source. The auto translation of the Independent Persian is too poor for me to be able to see whether it is a fact-checked source. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
You might be able to get a much better result if you try the Independent Persian content on chat gpt and ask for it to translate it. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Respectfully I have to argue that this reflects on her foreign policy (more specifically with Iran), and perhaps her views on targeted sanctions on individuals. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
That’s your opinion. For inclusion on WP, we need independent WP:Secondary sources indicating the significance. The roll call is a primary source and we do not indiscriminately include every vote people make in Congress—only the ones secondary sources show to be significant. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Are there any sources on why she voted against it? Did she put out any statements about it? I'm not opposed to it being on her page, but it doesn't seem to be a very notable vote, but I could be wrong. Catboy69 (talk) 15:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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