Talk:Chinese Communist Party

Why was the label "Chinese Nationalism" removed?

I remember "Chinese Nationalism" was once listed as one of the party's component ideologies. It was then removed and changed to "Socialist Patriotism" and now that, too, is gone. What gives? RedStorm1368 (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I wonder why this is removed from infobox. The CCP's opposition to the Taiwanese independence movement itself doesn't matter, but the problem is that they use excessively Chinese racial/ethnic nationalistic rhetoric, and use of forceful threats to oppose Taiwanese nationalism is widely accepted not only by DPP supporters but even by KMT supporters. "Nationalism" is included in the infobox of the Communist Party of Cuba and Vietnamese Communist Party articles. Communism and nationalism are not contradictory ideologies. It is clear that the CCP is a Chinese nationalist party, with some sources even describing it as "ultranationalist". They are willing to make Taiwan a second Ukraine. Real non-nationalists like the Socialist Unity Party of Germany were not obsessed with reunification based on ethnic identity, and even saw West and East Germany as individual nations. ProKMT (talk) 08:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion this is a heavily opinionated take, which is not befitting of an international encyclopedia for this article. Specifically, your idea that they want to “make Taiwan a second Ukraine”, is influenced by Eurocentric (Germany..) views of geopolitics, and it fails to take into account other factors at play, such as the history of the Chinese Civil War fought between the Communists— now the mainland PRC— and the Nationalists, who fled to Taiwan and remain the governing body of the ROC. Furthermore, to disparage China for “nationalism” in wanting to control Taiwan, would deleteriously shift focus away from American/allied paternalism, protectionism, and Western imperialism in Asia, and it would undermine China’s western reputation (the obvious goal).

I say this all as a concerned white American citizen, who is sincerely tired of death and war and global unrest, of which I see my country as the foremost contributor. Call me a wumao if you think I don’t hate China enough. I’ll show you my passport. Han75 (talk) 06:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia is not a forum, y'all. It would be a lot more fruitful if we stayed focused on what the article should say and why rather than pondering the Ukraine Cinematic Universe or photographing sensitive documents to prove whiteness. Remsense诉 07:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

One thing is clear, the CCP is a [Chinese] nationalist. It's even from the source in the article and there's no good reason to be removed from infobox alone. ProKMT (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I would agree that the CCP as presently constituted is heavily committed to its evolving form of teleological nationalism. Remsense诉 09:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Not jut presently always, that was one of the interesting parts about the Chinese civil war... Both sides were Chinese Nationalists, just different flavors. It wasn't nationalists vs communists, it was right nationalists vs left nationalists. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If anyone can cite a government that is not "nationalist," please do so. Otherwise, this is all just propaganda. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It’s not far left

Is a mix of neoliberalism and ultra nationalism Usydydjwhxyxhx (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

source? DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

In the Chinese Wikipedia, "Neoauthoritarianism" (新权威主义) is mentioned in the information box of the Chinese Communist Party article. CCP is not the usual far-left or Marxist-Leninist party. ProKMT (talk) 06:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

The term has very descriptive value in itself, and what it does doesn't really seem mutually exclusive with the almost-as-vague "far left". Remsense诉 07:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

In Taiwan, pro-Beijing political parties or organizations are usually far-right. In Hong Kong, pro-Beijing political parties and organizations range from centre-right to far-right. According to the traditional left-right spectrum distinction, the CCP stands for social orders and hierarchy and advocates traditional values related to Confucianism, which is what the English Wikipedia defines as Right-wing politics. Chinese Wikipedia refers to the political position of the CCP as the third position (第三位置) which is also inaccurate given the PRC's de facto adoption of authoritarian capitalism. Not many sources describe the current CCP as "far-left". CCP is more of a far-right political party. ProKMT (talk) 07:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly because I think the left–right spectrum is pretty unhelpful beyond the broadest strokes of analysis. Remsense诉 09:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Left-Right political descriptors are usually unhelpful as they are so time-specific and specific to national contexts. I recommend avoiding where we can, especially for non-Western contexts. JArthur1984 (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I do not think it is productive for us to rehash a debate that has been had on this talk page a few times now. Bottom line is analyses and opinions are attributed to their authors in the article body and generally not placed in infoboxes unless it is proven through the citation of multiple reliable sources that it is the generally accepted point of view.

It is also clear to me that the original discussion starter is not here to build an encyclopedia but start fires wherever they can. Yue🌙 20:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: The attribution of third position is quite controversial in the Chinese Wikipedia. The tag was previously added for a long time and removed for a long time, but was recently added again without proper discussion, and removed again by me. Several previous discussions have considered such attribution to be clearly an original research, and very little, if not none, of the literature refers to it as such. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 04:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

armed wing

Only the PLA is the armed wing of the communist party go china. The CPC Constitution explicitly states that the Communist Party of China upholds absolute leadershipover the PLA and other people’s armed forces(but that doesn't mean those units are the armed wing of the party).

The PAP and militia provide support to the PLA during wartime and emergencies, but they are not the core armed wings of the CCP. 158.223.166.84 (talk) 17:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Source? DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

the real name is the CPC

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surely this is a deliberate thing seeing as the official name is still listed, but why is the official name not the name of the article? i havent seen or even heard of anything similar to this on any other wikipedia article so why is this one different? imagine if the page on the "united states of america" was actually titled "united american states" with a note in the header that the title is in fact incorrect and that the actual name is the "united states of america" 203.214.36.148 (talk) 12:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah it's ridiculous. But good luck getting it fixed. Simonm223 (talk) 12:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It should indeed be Communist Party of China/CPC. Both this and the CCP abbreviation are common usage, but CPC has the advantage of being correct (even CCP proponents will agree that it is “official” at a minimum), is more consistent with WP:GLOBAL, and avoids confusion with “CCCP”.

With that being said, take a look at the archives on Talk, and you will see that it is too soon to re-start a page move discussion. It won’t be productive yet. JArthur1984 (talk) 13:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

1. It has been discussed to death, and Wikipedia:COMMONNAME rules the result. 2. It's the "United States" for now, so not so strong a point for me. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 13:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It's the efforts of a certain user whom I will not name (though it should be fairly obvious who I am referring to) who has been changing every instance of "Communist Party of China" to "Chinese Communist Party" and "CPC" to "CCP" on an industrial scale to legitimise the claims that the latter is more common. 142.117.70.0 (talk) 20:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

No, while I disagree with the consensus and the policy it is based on, you are flat out wrong with your conspiracy mongering. "Chinese Communist Party" has been the more common name in English literature since the inception of the party. The editor you are referring to made the changes after the community established the consensus; the editor did not make the changes and then push for a community consensus in their favour. The editor was performing technical cleanup, and it would be clear to anyone who checks that editor's history for more than a few minutes that their thing is technical cleanup, not editing political articles (perhaps, unlike myself). WP:COMMONNAME is based on coverage by reliable sources, not across Wikipedia itself. Keep your conspiracies outside of Wikipedia. Yue🌙 00:47, 19 April 2024 (

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