Talk:Carlos Silva (baseball)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Carlos Silva (baseball) → Carlos Silva – This Silva is the primary topic. Silva has been a starter for several years in Major League Baseball, the highest level of baseball. MLB has a larger following than hurdling or cycling, and the footballer is rather obscure. Also, this Carlos Silva has more GHits and Wikipedia searches than the rest. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:05, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. Would like to see some page view stats or other similar evidence. The footballer represented his country and the hurdler competed at the Olympics so I'm not seeing that the baseball player is clearly the primary topic at first glance. Jenks24 (talk) 08:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
• Here are page view stats for the last 90 days. Silva (baseball) has 4242, while Silva (Portuguese footballer) has 206 and Silva (hurdler) has 233. Meanwhile, here are the results of a Google search. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 10:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Much appreciated, looking at the stats I agree the baseball player is the primary topic. Support. Jenks24 (talk) 22:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support per pageview stats.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per the non-current-popularity-related guideline at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." When the pitcher is several years (rather than several months) removed from his active career, the page-view stats will no doubt be less disproportionate; so are we to move the article back when that happens? Going through a dab page does not seem an unreasonable onus when the topics treated are likely to have roughly similar long-term significance. (And one sometimes, that way, happens on articles of interest that one wasn't aware of.) Deor (talk) 05:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. Here are the page view stats for some similar pitchers who have been retired for several years: Chris Hammond, Dennis Rasmussen, and Neal Heaton. Even if Silva's total drops to these levels, he will still have about five times as many views as the other athletes and still be the primary topic. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. This isn't the same case as Anne Hathaway. Sure, the baseball player is the most viewed topic and is verified the most interesting topic to read about. However, what makes baseball players more primary based on anything other than usage if there are more than three people with the same name? Speaking of this person, I haven't watched baseball. --George Ho (talk) 23:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support per nom. I don't quite understand what George is saying, immediately above. As he says, the baseball player is the most viewed topic for "Carlos Silva", by a margin which does make him the primary topic as to usage, which is one of the two major criteria listed on that page. But I'm confused about the second part. No one is claiming that baseball players are "more primary" as a category - only that this baseball player qualifies as the primary topic in comparison to the other Carlos Silvas. Dohn joe (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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