Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal

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WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Colors

Consider changing the men/women colors in the "Cases by age and sex" - I don't want to stereotype things, but women in blue is a little confusing ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DC7F:8B00:F499:7F67:9EA6:81F (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Map

Hello! I was one of the first people who updated all the information and transmition chains of Covid-19 in Portugal so I just want to make a suggestion. Please consider reviewing the map information. There are some municipalities without confirmed cases that were coloured in the map (for example, Vila Verde) which may lead to some misinformation. It would be a good idea (a little laborious) to, like other countries, show a timeline of the outbreak in Portugal, with the first mesures and actions took by the government.

Yes and No, so I agree with your point that there should be more timeline, but also in my opinion other countries there is a lot, a lot of noise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JHDReis (talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Lethality by gender and age?

Anyone willing to add the table(s) like Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Spain medical cases/By age and gender based on the data at https://covid19.min-saude.pt/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/47_DGS_boletim_20200418.pdf? Ain92 (talk) 12:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ain92: It would be a valid information to put close to the graph of deaths and cases by age and gender (or in the Summary section). Also, given the fact the DGS reports don't present data on the different group age being hospitalized or in ICU, only the Cases and Death columns could be used. Wvictor07 (talk) 12:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

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Script for summary and graphs

Lately I've been working on a python script that returns the Summary table and the Cases and Deaths by age and gender graphs. Soon it'll be able to do the same for the other graphs (timeline for confirmed cases and deaths, ICU and daily increase). Eventually it would be possible to make a template for these information (if everyone agrees of course). What is your take on it?

This is the link of the repo if you want to take a look: https://github.com/wvict/covid19-portugal-wikipedia

Wvictor07 (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wvictor07: hey, seems like i did something that might affect your update code. I isolated your timeline table into a template, so its easier to update it -- and only it. See {{COVID-19_pandemic_data/Portugal_medical_cases}} --Hagnat (talk) 03:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hagnat: Thanks. I still didn't incorporate the cases by region table into the script, but I plan to do it soon. -- Wvictor07 (talk) 12:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wvictor07: If i use the data coalesced by https://github.com/dssg-pt/covid19pt-data and my script, i may be able to create a PHP generator for Portucal like the one i built for Brasil --Hagnat (talk) 19:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wvictor07: Now i believe i may have broken something on your script. I moved all the graphs to COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal/Statistics, and re-organized them so it becomes easier to read. I also adapted the style of the graphs to be (somewhat) compatible with other COVID pages from other countries. Besides numbers, i notice that this page is lacking on some sections, like the impact the virus has had on the portuguese population --Hagnat (talk) 23:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hagnat: Thanks for creating the statistics page. I agree, perhaps a description of its impact plus some images on how the lockdown affected the population (places which used to be full of people that are now completely empty) could be useful additions. -- Wvictor07 (talk) 07:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Considerations on Total deaths per day section - lack of sources

@Samarantphysics: You should cite the sources when adding new content (not only where the data was taken, but the analysis as well and also who did it). Wikipedia is not a place to generate new insights based on data or research, but rather to reference and cite credible and verifiable sources. If you want more information about it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_ruleset is a good place to start. -- Wvictor07 (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wvictor07: Can you point me where I forgot the sources? I am new to editing to wikipedia so I might have messed up in some parts of the text. There was no extra analysis done with the data, I just took them from https://evm.min-saude.pt.

@Wvictor07: I modified the text removing any parts of personal opinion. I think its ok now. Let me know if not.

@Samaranphysics: When you wrote "Inspecting the total number of deaths per day from every country and compare it with past years, could reveal inconsistencies and missing deaths due to COVID-19" or even in "As we can see the oldest population of Portugal is affected the most, however the number of deaths per day (for 2020) do not surpass the deaths per day from the winter of 2019 (previous years present similar behaviour)", there were no references to these conclusions. I'm no expert on the topic at hand and one could even argue what you wrote there is true, but when it comes to wikipedia the idea is to reference reliable sources, regardless of the validity of the argument - this way biases in the conclusions can at least be minimized. Regardless of that, your help updating the page is appreciated. It's just important to take those concepts into consideration. -- Wvictor07 (talk) 13:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wvictor07: I do not know who remove the total number of deaths from the article, but I was wondering whether you don't find it useful. I think its important to have this graph showing an unusual excess in mortality independent of age or cause on March-May in the total population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarantphysics (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Samaranphysics: I moved all the graphs to COVID-19_pandemic_in_Portugal/Statistics (see 'pruning' section below), and i am including only a part of them. This way the main article can (and should) focus on describing the impact of the virus on the Portuguese society, while any additional graph/table is shown on the child page. --Hagnat (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hagnat: Ah ok I didn't see it. Makes sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarantphysics (talk • contribs) 09:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Pruning

may i suggest some pruning on this article ? Move some graphs to a child page, so it becomes easier for people to focus on text, and less on numbers. There is just so much information that i don't know what to look at, and what i am looking at means. --Hagnat (talk) 04:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hagnat: Indeed the page became more readable after the pruning. -- Wvictor07 (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

three things to keep in mind

• don't overdo on graphs: keep only the total cases/deaths, the new cases/deaths, and some additional graph pair that can be useful at first read. If we have more graphs, keep them on the Statistics page.
• don't overdo on images: one of the earlier editors of the Brazil article had 5 images per sector. That was waaaaay too much. We need some images, but keep two, at most one or two image per section, depending on section length.
• focus more on textual content: currently this article is well served on numerical information. However, we need more information about the impact of the virus on the Portuguese society. Currently we only have the items on the timeline, and a which hospitals are open for the pandemic. How is it affecting the day-to-day life? Has any notable person died from it ? How is the economy struggling with it ? This are questions the current article is lacking

As a Brazilian guy isolated in the south of Brazil, i don't have the answers for that. I can help with numbers and formatting, but the rest will depend on you guys. --Hagnat (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Azores and Madeira

As the Azores and Madeira are autonomous regions within Portugal, they have implemented measures at the regional level which were not and still are not on the same timeline as the mainland. I think both should get their own pages under their flags, here and on the larger European and global wiki pages. Consider that Gibraltar, Jersey, Guernsey, the Faroe Islands and the Aland islands of Finland all have their own pages. 70.27.170.69 (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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