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Populations 950,000

Waa been bosaaso dadkeedu waa 1 million

Spelling edit

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is the common English spelling "Bosaso" or "Boosaaso?" The former is used throughout this article. If this is the accepted English spelling, I propose we move the article to "Bosaso." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Clan populations edit

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An anonymous editor listed a number of clans in order of popualtion. This map does not show any such numbers for the vicinity, but the clan in closest proximity is not among those that were listed. In the absence of additional verifiable references, I am inclined to consider edits such as these to be original research and/or PoV. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

The Marehan and Ogaden clan also live the city —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.136.214 (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Bob Geldof edit

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Bob Geldof devotes a page to Bosaso in his coffee table book about Africa; unfortunately his comments are less than flattering but he does claim that Bosaso's exports are paltry. Is there a case for mentioning the Geldof reference here, perhaps cleaning it up a bit (you can't use the word "s***hole" in a Wikipedia article as far as I know)? Bosaso is a little known place to the world at large so maybe any comments are better tnan none.

I'm not certain either way about this.

Meltingpot (talk) 11:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Move edit

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I agree with Gyrofrog that we should move this article to "Bosaso" --ElectricEye (talk) 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

  • Support a move to Bosaso in theory but somebody needs to try and standardize Somali geographical naming -- about half are in Somali and half in "English." See Category:Cities in Somalia or Category:Somalia geography stubs for examples. —  AjaxSmack  07:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
    • Support - a move to Bosaso is most appropiate since everyone except us somalis use Boosaaso. But its should be noted int eh article that the Somali way of writing is actually Boosaaso. --Samantar Abdirisaq 20:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

I've completed the page move, per the request at WP:RM and the above discussion. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Kzl55 what is your issue why are you harassing me by reverting every article i am involved, what is your issue ? why are you removing sourced material of 2014 instead 2005?Somajeeste (talk)

are you trying to say 2005 article are more authentic then 2014 ? from your point of view if this is the real population number is that ( which i doubt) i am good with it , but we gotta use it Hargeisa population and every other city which your reference mentions. is that fair enough Somajeeste (talk) 13:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

No need for WP:PERSONAL attacks. Please note that repeating allegations of harassment against other editors without clear evidence is considered harassment on Wikipedia.
In defence I must say your edits have been very disruptive to this section, examples of disruptive edits include removing Somaliland's national anthem from a template of National anthems of Africa (please note template makes no mention of de jure status and includes other non-UN-recognised nations such as Sahrawi Arab Republic, Saint Helena and Réunion) [1], you have also removed Somaliland from List of foreign ministers in 2017 for no apparent reason [2] (list also includes other unrecognised states such as SAR). You even went ahead and removed Somaliland from the Freedom of the Press report page [3], despite the report explicitly including Somaliland [4]. How do you explain any of that?
Add to that your constant warring on Adal Sultanate, where you failed to produce any evidence the territory of Adal extended beyond Somaliland, and also your edit warring on Hargeisa where you failed to show why it is appropriate to refer to Hargeisa as a city in northwestern Somalia. I have presented to you Wikipedia precedent for both cases, in the case of Hargeisa you have Taiwan and as for Adal Sultanate you have Dál_Riata.
As for the case on this page, you have removed an estimate number cited by UNOCHA and UNDP and replaced it with a number not based on any study from a reliable source that we know of, the page you cited was rescued from a website that is no longer operational and does not specify how it came to this number anyway. Your best bet is to look up the info from UN agencies that work in the region, they may have an updated estimate. Kzl55 (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2017 (UTC)Reply


I said before No one has better position than the municipality about the estimate of their residents! deadlink or not a lot of sources are cited through archives in Wiki, kzl5 your reverting sourced content is not gonna help. Per reliable sources, sister city website cited '"has an estimated population of about 700,000 residents."' and it should be relying source, or at least included both sources, furthermore stop being un necessarily off the topic content, sourced or not. Where is the weakness in this? Also, I have no interest in charged confrontations. Discuss things by logical means please. Somajeeste (talk) 12:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Information you add to Wikipedia has to come from reliable sources and must be verifiable by readers, this is not the case here as you are not linking to any published censuses or studies of the population of Bosaso, but a passing mention of this figure on a website thats no longer operational [5]. I have advised you above to find an updated estimate from a one of the UN agencies working in the region, I believe this is your best bet, until then please cease the disruptive edits. --Kzl55 (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

RfC about the Bosaso population source edit

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The consensus is against the proposed change. The consensus is to continue using the UN estimate from 2005 until a new estimate is made available. Cunard (talk) 09:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Bosaso Municipality which administers the city indicates that there is around 700,000 in 2014 [6]. while current Demographics cited from 2005 UN estimate, the municipality's estimate also used by Minneapolis city web which have Town twinning arrangement and it's in line with Somalia's article Urban areas Should that be the source or the UN estimate of 2005 ? Somajeeste (talk) 06:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose – Wikipedia relies on the use of reliable sources, you have been advised previously [7], [8] to cite a reliable source for this figure. The removal of estimate figures by UNOCHA and UNDP and replacement with a number found on a website that does not cite a study or a census from a reliable source on which this 700,000 figure is based is not appropriate, furthermore the site is no longer operational, which puts the authenticity of it as a municipality website in doubt. Lastly, the 2014 population estimate survey by UNFPA puts the population of Bari the region encompassing Bosaso at 719,512 of which only 471,785 is urban, this is for the same period (2014) indicated in your source [9]. Thus as far as we can tell the urban population of the entirety of the region is 471,785 divided between all the urban settlements of the region. Unfortunately the population estimates are only provided for regions and not cities. For the time being, the UN estimate of 2005 should be used until a new estimate is made available. --Kzl55 (talk) 09:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per Kzl55. The 2005 number should be used. (Summoned by bot) d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 13:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
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up to date bosaso population edit

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As of 2011 the city of Bosaso has a population of 500,000 [1] 

  Faarax200 (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Ironically, this source contradicts the claim you made minutes ago regarding Garoowe's population where you claimed its 250,000. The source you are using now states 60,000 as a population figure for Garoowe (within the same sentence commenting on Bosaso's population). For the last time, please cease the disruptive editing. --Kzl55 (talk) 11:24, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
 Why are you refusing the up to date book source that says the city of bosaso has 500,000 ? Faarax200 (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Read the discussion above, including the RfC, and the discussion on use of WP:RS for population figures. The UN number stands until such time we get updated figures from a reliable source. Your own source contradicts the figure you tried to insert for Garoowe minutes ago. --Kzl55 (talk) 11:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
 The book I used here is a reliable source. It is published by a reliable publishing Bradt_Travel_Guides. We should use the source because it is reliable plus it is up to date. Faarax200 (talk) 11:33, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
So how do you explain the discrepancy between the figure you used minutes ago for Garoowe (250,000)[10] and your own source you are using here stating the population to be 60,000 [11], within the same sentence mentioning Bosaso? Incidentally, the 60,000 figure is close to the UN figure you tried to remove which was 57,991. --Kzl55 (talk) 11:37, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
 Stop changing the subject. We are talking about bosaso population here. The book I used here for bosaso is a reliable source that is published by a reliable publishing so lets use it as a source since is is up to date. Faarax200 (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Its a valid question. Minutes before changing this article you were edit warring in an attempt to change the figure for Garowe from 57,991 to 250,000, and now you are using a source which clearly states the population of Garowe to be 60,000. Which figure is correct? And how do you explain the massive discrepancy in population figures for the same town? --Kzl55 (talk) 11:52, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
 Again, I am not talking about Garowe here. I do not want to change the subject. I am talking about Bosaso city here. Why are you against using this 2011 book for Bosaso source since it is up to date and it is published by a reliable publishing house?Faarax200 (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
It is exactly the same issue, namely use of reliable sources or lack thereof. Which is why you refuse to answer a very simple question about discrepancy in sources you use in two consecutive edits of yours. You first edited Garoowe from 57,991 to 250,000 (edit warring at that), and the next edit you made was done using a source that clearly states (within the same sentence you are citing) that Garowe has a population of 60,000 people. I would advice you to stop the disruptive edits. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:05, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
 How is this book [[ [2] ]] published by Bradt_Travel_Guides not reliable? Explain to me how it is not reliable.  Faarax200 (talk) 12:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Faarax200 asked me to comment here after I closed an earlier RfC on the topic.

    Faarax200, I recommend that you start a second RfC to determine the community consensus on whether this new source is acceptable to verify this information.

    Cunard (talk) 03:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Briggs, Philip (2011). Somaliland With Addis Ababa & Eastern Ethiopia. Bradt Travel Guides. p. 22. ISBN 1841623717.
  2. ^ Briggs, Philip (2011). Somaliland With Addis Ababa & Eastern Ethiopia. Bradt Travel Guides. p. 22. ISBN 1841623717.

RFC about the 2012 book source on Bosaso population edit

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  Comment:--There does not seem to be any benefit in running an RFC and thus I have removed the tag to prevent waste of more community time.This does not have a snowball's chance in hell to be adopted.Winged Blades Godric 11:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

The current Bosaso population on this article is outdated. I found a book that is written in June 2012 by Philip Biggs [[12]] who is the author of many books about various African countries. This book is published by Bradt_Travel_Guides. This book Publisher has been publishing books since 1975. The founder of this book publisher was awarded Order_of_the_British_Empire in 2008. This is a reliable source for Bosaso Population and it is updated compared to the 2005 estimate. As of 2012 the population of Bosaso is 500,000 [1]

Faarax200 (talk) 21:06, 27 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose – As per discussion above Talk:Bosaso#up to date bosaso population and discussion from three months ago Talk:Bosaso#Bosaso population, as well as recent RfC from two months ago. The removal of estimate figures by UNOCHA and UNDP and replacement with a number found on a travel guide is not warranted here. Please read up on the requirement of use of reliable sources on Wikipedia. The 2012 figure of 500,000 you are presenting as representative of population of Bosaso is problematic for many reasons, for one it is found only on a travel guide which is no authority on the subject, but more importantly, a more recent (2014) population estimate survey by UNFPA reports the entire urban population of the region encompassing Bosaso city (Bari) at only 471,785 [13]. The 471,785 figure is shared between Bosaso and all other urban settlements in Bari region. Unfortunately the best (and only) figures we have from reliable sources are the UNOCHA and UNDP 2005 figures currently in use on the page. Furthermore, you have not explained exactly why you're advocating for the use of this travel guide figure on this article when it completely contradicts the figure you are pushing on another article, in fact, you flat out refuse to even answer the question [14], [15]. The 2005 UN figure should be kept until such time an updated figure from the UN or any other reliable source is published. --Kzl55 (talk) 22:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
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 The 2014 population estimate you put here was conducted by Somalia Federal Government with funds from UN[2] [3] The federal government has limited influence outside of the capital city of Mogadishu. Puntland has de facto control of its territory.[4].  There are several times where Puntland cut all ties with the federal government.[5][6] Puntland state rejected the accuracy of this population estimate by the Federal Government [7][8] It is not just Puntland state that errejected this Federal Government estimate. The Jubaland state also rejected it. [9] Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). The South_West_State_of_Somalia also rejected it. [10]     Faarax200 (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose, been there, done that, *why* is this an RfC?! This is equal, in US context, to US citizens objecting to red haired Irishwoman, of a Jewish faith rarity objection (OK, not *that* rare, but damned close). I know a lot about the region and strifes, this is one minority seeking venue, while other minorities seek some venue, on affordable occasion.Wzrd1 (talk) 08:40, 9 September 2017 (UTC

References

  1. ^ Briggs, Philip (2012). Somaliland With Addis Ababa & Eastern Ethiopia. Bradt Travel Guides. p. 22. ISBN 1841623717.
  2. ^ http://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/population-estimation-survey-2014-18-pre-war-regions-somalia
  3. ^ https://www.unicef.org/esaro/5440_som2015_population-data.html
  4. ^ https://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/countries/2017/271280.htm
  5. ^ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-somalia-politics-puntland-idUSBRE9740UZ20130805
  6. ^ https://www.voanews.com/a/puntland-cuts-ties-with-somalia-over-formation-of-new-state/2410930.html
  7. ^ http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news/somalia/puntland-rejects-somali-govt-s-population-estimate-survey
  8. ^ https://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2015/jun/100096/rejecting_somali_population_census_by_hiiraanforum.aspx
  9. ^ http://puntlandi.com/jubalands-press-statement-on-the-population-estimation-survey/
  10. ^ http://goobjoog.com/english/south-west-rejects-population-estimation-results/

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I want to add to the part that says that Bosaso is has always been a Majeerteen stronghold other Harti clans can be found it such Dishiishe and Warsangeli 84.216.183.192 (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

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I want to add one file which indicating the mayor signing official agreement with other other Mayor, this agreement was finalization of sistership agreement agreed Bosaso and Minneapolis. Naqx1 (talk) 08:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

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The population of Bosaso city is over 700,000 residents as of 2020. The Wikipedia article that claims that Bosaso population is 190000 is wrong. Please find your resources correct and modify this article. Thank you! 198.203.175.175 (talk) 03:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Reason for request: Bare URL, Dead URL

<ref name="docs.unocha.org">https://docs.unocha.org/sites/dms/Somalia/UNDP-POP-RURAL-URBAN%202005.pdf</ref>

Please replace with:

<ref name="docs.unocha.org">{{cite web |url=https://docs.unocha.org/sites/dms/Somalia/UNDP-POP-RURAL-URBAN%202005.pdf |title=Regions, districts, and their populations: Somalia 2005 (draft) |website=[[United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs]] |publisher=[[United Nations Development Programme]] |access-date=31 December 2020 |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20170728203029/https://docs.unocha.org/sites/dms/Somalia/UNDP-POP-RURAL-URBAN%202005.pdf |archive-date=28 June 2017 |url-status=dead}}</ref>

(DMY seems to be the major date format for this article, but it's rather inconsistent -- feel free to change it) TimSmit (talk) 04:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

To editor TimSmit:   done, and again thank you so very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 01:56, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

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I want to add some crucial files. Dolf133 (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Formerly known as Bandar Qasim, Bosaso's population is estimated at about 700,000 residents. It is the third largest city in the country after Mogadishu and Hargeisa. While Bosaso is a melting pot, with residents hailing from all the major clans of Somalia, most of its population is from the Harti confederation of Darod sub-clans.

Bosaso was previously known as Bandar Qasim, a name derived from a Somali trader of the same name who is said to have first settled in the area during the 14th century. It is believed that Qasim's favourite camel was called Boosaas, from which derived the current name of the town. The town was thus first called Bandar Qassim after its founder ("Qasim's town"), then later dubbed Bosaso after its founder's trusted camel. This story is, however, purely speculative. Historically, Bosaso has been a Harti Darod stronghold, and evolved as a coastal outpost of their Sultanates. Near Bosaso, at the end of the Baladi valley, lies a 2 km to 3 km long earthwork. Local tradition recounts that the massive embankment marks the grave of a community matriarch. It is the largest such structure in the wider Horn region.

In the mid-18th to early 20th centuries, the city was among the areas ruled by the Majeerteen Sultanate (Migiurtinia), Bosaso was one of the kingdom's trade hubs. Later, Majeerteen Sultanate forming a part of Italian Somaliland. Bosaso town would eventually be administered through the official Bari region in the post-independence period. With the start of the Somali Civil War and the subsequent formation of Puntland in the 1990s, Bosaso has become the business capital of the northeastern regions of Somalia. In recent years, it has served as a refueling station for maritime transport between the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf ports, and has also become an important commercial point of entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muscab30 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

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History:

Formerly known as Bandar Qasim, Bosaso's population is estimated at about 700,000 residents. It is the third largest city in the country after Mogadishu and Hargeisa. While Bosaso is a melting pot, with residents hailing from all the major clans of Somalia, most of its population is from the Harti confederation of Darod sub-clans.

Bosaso was previously known as Bandar Qasim, a name derived from a Somali trader of the same name who is said to have first settled in the area during the 14th century. It is believed that Qasim's favourite camel was called Boosaas, from which derived the current name of the town. The town was thus first called Bandar Qassim after its founder ("Qasim's town"), then later dubbed Bosaso after its founder's trusted camel. This story is, however, purely speculative. Historically, Bosaso has been a Harti Darod stronghold, and evolved as a coastal outpost of their Sultanates. Near Bosaso, at the end of the Baladi valley, lies a 2 km to 3 km long earthwork. Local tradition recounts that the massive embankment marks the grave of a community matriarch. It is the largest such structure in the wider Horn region.

In the mid-18th to early 20th centuries, the city was among the areas ruled by the Majeerteen Sultanate (Migiurtinia). Later forming a part of Italian Somaliland, Bosaso was represented in the parliament of the succeeding Trust Territory of Somalia by the MPs Haji Bashir Ismail Yusufand Ugaas Yassin Ugaas Abdirahman. The town would eventually be administered through the official Bari region in the post-independence period. With the start of the Somali Civil War and the subsequent formation of Puntland in the 1990s, Bosaso has become the business capital of the northeastern regions of Somalia. In recent years, it has served as a refueling station for maritime transport between the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf ports, and has also become an important commercial point of entry. Muscab30 (talk) 01:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, it's a rather large change to what's already in the History section, you might want to seek some consensus from other editors before making such a massive edit all in one go. Xan747 (talk) 02:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

History section of Bosaso edit

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I see you are too obsessive to edit history part of Bosaso unlike other cities of Puntland, Historically Bosaso was part the Majerteenia region before 1960s and before was part of Majerteen Sultanate history cannot be charged but I suggest you to quote source of your information (reference). Even Hobyo or some places of Somalia considered history part of Majerteen Sultanate @Dolf133 Muscab30 (talk) 01:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

History section of Bosaso edit

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I see you are misinterpreting History section of Bosaso. You are very obsessive clan name to appear this section, but the it's civil to accept the reality of the city's History, for sure Bosasa was part and parcel of Majeerteen Sultanate History and was one of the Sultanates commercial hub connecting to Gulf of Aden. Before Italians colony city was under Majeerteen Sultanate like Hobyo, Gaalkacyo, xarar dheere, Alula, Murcanyo and All others regions of former Majeerteenia region. It's polite to cite references when you editing this section and it's important to adders Wikipedia editorial policy. Below link it's original text from Bosaso's Wikipedia "history section".

https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/


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Bosaso history section edit

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@Dolf133 let us make contribution based reference and fact check. You are making edits with previous information reference wich is unprofessional. I see you are very obsessive to put history section of Bosaso your clans name and individuals with no sourcing reference by deleting true history of bosaso before and after colonial period


@Freetrashbox I invite this page for your contribution as reliable editor Muscab30 (talk) 16:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bosaso was first inhabited Ahmed Harti clan known as Kaptallah, they were a seafaring tribe fathered with Deshiishe. A short period later they were joined by Deshiishe, and since then the town was considered as Deshiishe stronghold. The Deshiishe chieftains (sultans) included Ali Gurie ruled the town before the Italian occupied as part of Italian Somaliland Territory. The Deshiishe clan now inhabits the town and its environs, and traditionally mayors of the town hail from this clan. http://biyokulule.com/Bosaso_history.htm Dolf133 (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Great let us engage Civic discussion based on Wikipedia Neutral point of view. As we now history Puntland was Sultanate before colonial period and that is reality. I am not disagree who first settled city and that is not matter, but let us be realistic Bosaso was part and parcel of Majeerteenia region as history mentioned on it. Bit always sources is very important to be mentioned. It's not important who ruled or Fist settled but history should be true with reference. Muscab30 (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
af Soomaali xitaa waad ku sharixi kartaa doodaada Muscab30 (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/ Muscab30 (talk) 19:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
saaxiib ilaa hada qabiil ayaad igala hadlaysaa marka dhib malaha qabiil meel waa u badan karaa laakiin tusaale ahaan gobolka Bari intaan magaca Bari loo bixin waxaa la dhihi jiray Majeerteenia waa taariikh dhab ah in Puntland ay ka jirtay boqortoyooyin ka hor gumaystaha lkn Wikipedia waxa uu leeyahay "Neutrality view or editors" oo ku salaysan mabaa'diida aasaasiga ah ee Wikipedia. Sidaa darted, waxaa fiican in isla falanqayno waxyaalaha aan usku diidanahay kadibna isku raacno sabaabtoo ah hadii aad markasta wax bedeshid waxaa suurtagal ah in lagugu qaado Wikipedia policy. Marka waxaan qabaa meel ayeynu wax u wada wadnaa oo ah in Puntland taariikhdeeda sida u qalanta loo qoro op saxda ah. Muscab30 (talk) 19:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Majertenia was the mother of three major harti clans (locally known as Harti Habar majeerteen) and thus, the entire northeastern regions inhabiting by these clans were known as majeertenia regions. There were sultunates and clan dominances in these regions prior the independence. Dolf133 (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Puntland is not place resident by only three clan it's centre of many Somali clans.
I never heard only one clan ruled only Bosaso bring it's reference as much as i know Bosaso was part of Great Majeerteen Sultanate. Majeerteen Sultanate was the de jure administration of of Bari regions and even Mudug region so, History can't be misinterpreted.
Make sure, you can write based on your assumption, As Wikipedia editor you must be aware Wikipedia policies before you engage any editorial work. Muscab30 (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Make sure, you can't write based on your assumption, As Wikipedia editor you must be aware Wikipedia policies before you engage any editorial work. Muscab30 (talk) 21:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
My friend politely in civic way I waant to recommend you to follow Wikipedia editorial policy. Following is one of the actions you are doing, I offer you let us use Wikipedia's conflict resolution mechanisms;
FYI
Edit wars: Engaging in repeated or excessive reversions of edits, often in a back-and-forth manner with other users, without following Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, can result in a user being banned or blocked. Muscab30 (talk) 21:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do constructive edits, I understand, comply and uphold the Wikipedia editorial policy.

This is the brief history of Bosaso;

the town was first setlles the Kaptallah a seafaring clan fathered with Deshiishe.

in a short time, Deshiishe joined Kaptallah in Bosaso.

the town became part of Deshiishe ruled areas. http://biyokulule.com/Bosaso_history.htm


during collonial era, the town became part of Italian Somaliland Territory.

post independence, the town was administarted through official Bari region.


post independence, Ugas Yasin Ugas Abdurahman and Haji Bashir Ismail Yusuf became the MPs representing the town.

post independence Barkhad Ali Salah served as the first Mayor for the town. Dolf133 (talk) 02:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Considering puntland as Majeertenia habitat is unfounded argument, and you can’t do this with reference. Puntland consists more then 5 regions; some areas within puntland was ruled by Dervish, another areas was ruled by Warsangali Sultanate, some were ruled by Deshiishe included Bosaso. Dolf133 (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please do edits constructively and try to comply Wikipedia editing policy as well as other essential Wikipedia editing guidelines. I understand you have been editing many towns and places to match with your assumptions. Dolf133 (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I never hear something called Dishiishe Sultanate ruled some area, i am speaking former Italian protoctrate, Warsangeli and Dervish was are of British protoctrate. As i read from history there were to Sultanates in that area Majeerteen Sultanate in Bari and Hobyo Sultanate in Mudug and Galguduud. For, therefore YouTube could not be reliable source, it's good to mainstream your ideas with construction argument, i do accept Dishiishe is one of the clans in Puntland mostly live in Bari region Bosaso and Qardho area. My argument is not which clan resude certain are its matter of history imagine if I said Kendid never ruled Hobyo that will be biased history argument. We fist settle Bosaso it could in your discussions it could be possible with your argument but you can't say Bosaso never be part of Majerteen Sultanate, even there is forts and famously there is Sultanate archive from italian colon. Muscab30 (talk) 09:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am not advocating the clan names i am not even the clan of Majeerteen but actually i do accept history. Muscab30 (talk) 09:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
my argument is nor my assumptions it's based on History with sources. You are telling me now Bosaso was never part of Majerteen Sultanate ( never be sensitive about clan name) but Majerteen Sultanate is nor representing clan it was geographical administrative area. I never said mean that Majerteen owns Bosaso. But you are telling Dishiishe owns city and ruled by Dishiishe Sultanate and Alula Sultanate never ruled Bosaso, that is not good argument and its biased. Muscab30 (talk) 09:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@QalasQalas I do invite you this Civic and positive discussions about Bosaso history. Muscab30 (talk) 09:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Majeerteen is one of the Harti major clans, it’s not a geographical area. Thus, stop attempting to mislead the public.

additionally, Deshiishe is one of major clans of Harti they tradionally inhabit the town and its environs. The Kaptallah who was the settlers of Bosaso are the younger brother of Deshiishe.

Deshiishe had and still have Ugaas (sultans) who ruled the town prior the colonial era. As a matter of fact, the mayors of the town are traditionally dedicated to this clan.


Stop vandalizing the history section of the town, including removing the first democratically elected MPs of the town. Barkhad who became the post independence mayor. The Kaptallah who were considered as the first settlers.


finally, I wish you comply the Wikipedia editing policy. Dolf133 (talk) 10:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

my brother I called you Civic and constructive discussion based on Wikipedia conflict resource mechanisms with editorial policy. What you are doing is vandalism, I am not. Saying who fist inhabited city I do accept your argument, Of course, the clan you mentioned is resident of the city and is founding father as you mentioned I agree on point, I see you are obsessive your clan name to appear city's Wikipedia it don't matter for me, Majeerteen is clan at same time there were Majeerteen Sultanate in the area called northeast Somalia which existed before colonial and later become Italian protectorate, I am not saying who is the mayor of the city, it doesn't mean the mayor's clan owns city it's not constructive idea, imagine if I said Hassan Sheikh Mohamud clan owns Somalia because he is president, ad I know Bosaso had mayors from different clans I'm the city including Khadar Hajir mire, Dhedo, Haji Bakiin, Abdirisak Hared, Mohamud Beeldaaje, Yusuf Mumin bidde, let us be realistic an put aside clan motives, I do accept and it's true one clan settled first on certain area and other clans joined to settle, but you can't hide Bosaso was part and Parcel of Majeerteen Sultanate History. Muscab30 (talk) 10:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
My arguments is based that the Kaptallah were the first settlers. This matter is widely accapted by all general public and historians included Gulio Baladccia. Italians themselves considered the Kaptallah as the first settlers, and their older brother Deshiishe (both sons of Ahmed Harti) as the indigenous clan of the town. See link below for more. http://biyokulule.com/Bosaso_history.htm
Ali Gurie ruled the town, he had friction with Mohamed Abdullah Hassan (the Mad mullah) as a result of that disagreement, Mr Gurie composed poam for Mad Mullah, telling him that his cavalry can’t deaf them (Deshiishe clan men). It reads ^Nin u yeeray yaayuunka bari, yeel ma buuxsado e.
Libin kama yamsado niman dagaal, yeelmuhuu bixinne.
All these were happening prior and in colonial era. In 1889 Italians occupied the northeastern regions. And in 1960 Somalia/ Italian Somaliland gained independence from Italia. https://uca.edu/politicalscience/home/research-projects/dadm-project/sub-saharan-africa-region/somalia-1960-present/
Post Independence, Bosaso represented in the Parliament of the succeeding Trust Territory of Somalia by the MPs Ugas Yasin Ugas Abdurahman and Haji Bashir Ismail Yusuf. https://www.somalitalk.com/2000/dec/ugaas.html
Barkhad Ali Salah was elected as the first post independence mayor.
All these are matter of fact.
stop vandalism without sourcing any reliable sources. Comply Wikipedia editing policy which stipulates editing reference and editing integrity Dolf133 (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Furthermore, perhaps this will be my last comment towards you unless you bring constructive arguments with reliable sources. Dolf133 (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I see you are here to promote just your clan with no ather inputs, i believe positive arguments and civic discussions with partiality could bring win-win solution. Still i am saying as you mentioned in your argument Kaptallah first settled city i don't have any objections for that and i am still looking in positive way. But rejecting the golden age history of Bosaso which was part of Majerteen Sultanate and it was the capital City of Majerteenia region before region took name of Bari which was the 8 regions of Somalia its not civic way of contribution. I don't care which clans or tribe owns city or being majoriyu in certain place but i am discussing history matter.
Following links even you can fine the old building and forms of the Sultanates which is famous.
https://www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/a-history-of-the-majeerteen-sultanate
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/
https://malik121.tripod.com/farahs/id2.html
https://www.mindat.org/feature-64661.html Muscab30 (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are running from truth and civic discussions which based on upholding Wikipedia policy and you can't bring any reliable source of your argument. Discussions always is open on my side Muscab30 (talk) 09:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

discussions shall remain open on my side too. You kept to frequently revert from page original details. The Wikipedia page is critical for many people who make online researchs, therefore, sheilding the facts about the town such as its history, capapilities as growing town, the type of admin that the town practices all are paramount for Wikipedia, general public and researchers such as anthropologist and historians as well as the future generations.

I wish you come up with reliable sources or stopt attempting vandalism.


thank you. Dolf133 (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

You are the one who makes vandalism, and trying to create fake history in the city, i am still saying read Wikipedia editorial policy without common consensus between editors you can write your own history. I am not sensitive any clan or group Bosaso is centre of many clans without regarding majority or minority but you trying to mislead the city history. I am always ready positive constructive and civic discussions with common consensus. But, the way u want will never work. Muscab30 (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is the original text back of the page.
if you don't mind we should agree this way of writing. Open for discussions
History:
Formerly known as Bandar Qasim, Bosaso's population is estimated at about 700,000 residents. It is the third largest city in the country after Mogadishu and Hargeisa. While Bosaso is a melting pot, with residents hailing from all the major clans of Somalia, most of its population is from the Harti confederation of Darod sub-clans.
Bosaso was previously known as Bandar Qasim, a name derived from a Somali trader of the same name who is said to have first settled in the area during the 14th century. It is believed that Qasim's favourite camel was called Boosaas, from which derived the current name of the town. The town was thus first called Bandar Qassim after its founder ("Qasim's town"), then later dubbed Bosaso after its founder's trusted camel. This story is, however, purely speculative. Historically, Bosaso has been a Harti Darod stronghold, and evolved as a coastal outpost of their Sultanates. Near Bosaso, at the end of the Baladi valley, lies a 2 km to 3 km long earthwork. Local tradition recounts that the massive embankment marks the grave of a community matriarch. It is the largest such structure in the wider Horn region.
In the mid-18th to early 20th centuries, the city was among the areas ruled by the Majeerteen Sultanate (Migiurtinia). Later forming a part of Italian Somaliland, Bosaso was represented in the parliament of the succeeding Trust Territory of Somalia by the MPs Haji Bashir Ismail Yusufand Ugaas Yassin Ugaas Abdirahman. The town would eventually be administered through the official Bari region in the post-independence period. With the start of the Somali Civil War and the subsequent formation of Puntland in the 1990s, Bosaso has become the business capital of the northeastern regions of Somalia. In recent years, it has served as a refueling station for maritime transport between the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf ports, and has also become an important commercial point of entry.
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/ Muscab30 (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

you removed Maritime history of Somalia page which is critical for the town history as a town evolved as coastal town. You intentionally removed too, the Kaptallah because of clan grievance, sensitivity etc. Also, reverted intentionally the first democratically elected MPs [Ugas Yasin Ugas Abdurahman]] and Haji Bashir Ismail Yusuf which is integral part of the post independence history.

All these above mentioned parts are critical for the twon’s history, and produce useful matters.

I encourage you to stop reckless editing, comply Wikipedia editing policy and decency.


the essence of your argument emphasises that your clan had dominated the town, which is not true, to forge this you frequently removed the integral parts of the history. Dolf133 (talk) 12:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Who is my clan i am not posting any clan related things it's tru history Bosaso was part and parcel of Majeerteen Sultanate and it was capital city of Majeerteenia region before the region renamed it as Bar Region. You are the one who feels sensitive with clan name and you are the one who posting always clan name Dishiishe. My argument is based on fact check with pure historical reference and i am still open for any civic and constructive discussions based on Wikipedia editorial principle and conflic resolution mechanisms but you actions is pure vandalism which ia not respecting and upholding Wikipedia policy. Always open for civic discussions wich is not prejudice. Muscab30 (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Who knows my clan? Who is dominant clan? Who is your clan? Who is promoting clan identity? You are the who always repeating these. Majerteen Sultanate was the ruler of All Northeast regions of Somalia then Somali Italian colony. It's true history and it's not fabricated like the history that you want to put city's page, i hope Wikipedia administrator will catch up your vandalism actions. Discuss constructively Muscab30 (talk) 12:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am tried to offer Wikipedia neutrality view but still you are using insulting and hate based words which is clan divisions. @bot Muscab30 (talk) 12:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see you are not open any consensus and you are still continue vandalism action and violations Districts history Muscab30 (talk) 13:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am still looking Consensus based compromise as editors we should treat each other with respect and civility based on Neutral point of view Muscab30 (talk) 13:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Let’s continue the page’s previous history untill resstle it. And don’t do any further edits. Thanks Dolf133 (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

In your previous argument, you called Alula as the Majeerteen sultanate capital, and now you referring Bosaso as Majeerteen sultanate capital those two arguments each contradicts another. I don’t get your motive regarding why you keep reverting/vandalizing the Bosaso Wikipedia page. Wikipedia has become a reliable and critical platform for the digital soceties. Thus, sheilding the longstanding content of Bosaso history section is paramount for several reasons. I wonder the whole thing you mention is that the Majeerten had ruled the town, and at the same time you remove many integral part of the town’s history such as post independence MPs, Kaptallah (a clan which firts settled the area) and other essential matters.

Also, you kept saying decency and civic discussions while you engage nothing about discussion, but continue to remove integral parts.

i do wish the wikipedia conflict resolution support team will intervene and finally fix the matter.

I do confirm, i shall be ready to engage any civic constructive debate which reflects general public views, matters of history anything wrote by Italians about the town, avialable histories etc. I do confirm as well, I shall comply the Wikipedia editing policies in my best abilities.

SUMMARIZED;

You advocate for a single matter (majeerteen).

Instead;

I am trying to protect all the history’s integral parts such as;

first setlled community Kaptallah


Deshiishe who were joined by not longer after.

First democratically elected MPs Ugas Yasin Ugas Abdurahman and Haji Bashir Ismail Yusuf.


first post-independence mayor

Barkhad Ali Salah


Crucial History source

Main article: Maritime history of Somalia


you kept removing all these integral parts of history:

therefore;

I do invite, Wikipedia conflict resolution team to intervene and fix the matter. Dolf133 (talk) 13:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Alula was Majerteen Sultanate capital and Bosaso was the capital of Majeerteenia region during independence before it renamed Bari, Somalia region. My brother i see you have little knowledge about Wikipedia policy think civility way act as editor. In my advice, accept the history and leave the clan motivates. If you want to be accepted your argument. Muscab30 (talk) 13:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia should become reliable source when editors act in civic way and accept history based reliable sources Muscab30 (talk) 13:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I told you the way I am preferring to be written based on history and reference. You tell me the way you want to be written fairly and summarise it then last as discuss what we can add or remove both sides Muscab30 (talk) 13:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I told you Majeerteen was the mother of three major harti clans consisting warsangeli, majeerteen and Deshiishe one of them took the name as their nickname so today majeerteen is known as a certain clan. This story implies that all these areas weren’t the today’s majeerteen property. Whatsoever, your argument doesn’t go towards this topic, you are obsessive of considering bosaso as majeerteen sultanate ruled area, which is unfounded argument and has no historical basis.
My arguments have legal and historical basis; for instance, no argument for Ugas yasin and Bashiir being the first elected national MPs whose constituency bosaso. kaptallah as first settlers; and Desiishs joined no longer after, as well as maritime history of somalia as historical basis for bosaso. Dolf133 (talk) 14:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
My friend i am telling you don't wast your time just came up consensus. I am telling you you are talking qaniil/clan and i am talking administrative systems called Majeerteen Sultanate wich ruled northeastern region or former Majeerteenia region i see you are very sensitive in this in history of Puntland or Somalia or even Somali Italia colony. You are misleading and saying Bosaso city was not part of Majeerteen Sultanate this is not civil way you can hate something but you can't hide history. I am telling you politely Majeerteen are majority of the city but i am nor argue this i am talking about history. Deny or accept it's reality in both Puntland and Bari, Somalia region or even Italian Somaliland. I am not saying your clan Dishiishe as you promoted is not part of the city resident they are integral part of the city but i am talking history Bosaso was part ruled by Majeerteen Sultanate which is not clan which are administration existed are before. Muscab30 (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
believe your behaviour will not work and you will not write your wish Muscab30 (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Tell what you want clearly whi not editing this controversial part of the page. Believe civility way Muscab30 (talk) 14:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Somalia do practice clan territory scenario, this doesn’t care who is majority or who is not. You see Mogadishu the capital is ruled by native abgaal becuase it located their territory! This is how things are; i wish it will end as soonest as we implement democracy:

the moral story of here is clan cannot rule another clan’s territory. And we both know Deshiishe and Majeerteen are two different clans also both practice the clan territory scenario. Stop the delussional and obey the facts on the ground and those of historical facts:

it’s not possible the historians, colonialist etc are lying but you tell the truth. Dolf133 (talk) 14:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’m here to do constructive edits while practising my knowledge on the subject and available references. Dolf133 (talk) 14:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do understand the importance of wikipdia for the Somali local researchers etc. and I will contribute positively and constructively at my best ability. Pure vandalism will be reverted. digital socities are now stronger than ever. Dolf133 (talk) 14:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

You are sick person, finally you are telling Bosaso owns Dishiishe. Its baseless. let me tell you how Hobyo Sultanate was Majeerteen and ruled Hobyo which is Hawiye clan territory and you are telling me Bosaso was not part of Majeerteen Sultanate. Qabiilka hoose iska dhaaf walaalkayow waxa aan ka hadlaayo waa taariikh. Xifaaltanka iyo taariikhdu isma galaan indha dadkana ha isku soo jeedin. Wlhi waxa aad qorayso in aysan waxba ka jirin aakhirkana waa laga masaxayaa ee inta aysan qarxin howshani si raganimo leh aan u xaajoono Muscab30 (talk) 15:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am researcher and I am PhD candidate on History I know everything about History and I have concrete evidence what I am editing on here. Muscab30 (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
You can't satlle this issue by running and editing page Muscab30 (talk) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Will you able to forge or rewrite the histories of many places that (as i think) you already vandalized. ? Dolf133 (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Are you trying to bully me ? The somali sentence you just wrote was so aggressive. Hobyo sultanate is different story. I am congnizant with Bosaso histories. Also clan territory mentality is widely practised in Somalia, the capital city Mogadishu is the best example! I wish we shall pass it, which myself looks just like a cast system.
Vandalism can’t rewrite the histories, but never was part of any sultane prio or pro independence. It’s considered as clan dominance area and commercial place which had welcomed everyone for commercial purposes. Also it’s true Ali Gurie had ruled the town, he fought Sayid Muhhames (the mad mullah) as called by british, mad mullah had presence both Italina and british somalilands.
misleading the piblic by editing the history section of (as i think) many places will not create a history for your activism.
comply editing policies, uphold decency on wikipedia, respect the histories as they are. Dolf133 (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Recorrection; Bosaso never was part of any sultanate pre/post independence! Dolf133 (talk) 15:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are really trying something never work by fragmenting new histo. The translation of Somalia writing is " let us settle issues you are writing baseless and let us settle together issue before it goes another hand" is there something bullying no every one that can understand Somali language can see and read. I am confident that my argument that Bosaso was part of Majerteen Sultanate before colonial and was part of Majerteenia region before independence tha is very popular history and even you can search it anywhere that you are thinking it could be reliable for you. Every time i am repeating you as professional editor and historian by accupation let us bring issue down in consensus way and neutrality and you are running because you have no evidence and you are here just promoting your clan by labelling they owns city which they are living a million close population from every Somali clan. My brother i am repeating again be civic and don't try to hide some history of the city. Muscab30 (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

My argument goes to several centuries before, it’s not about the city demography. The demography of residents are detailed in Demography section.

Tell why you have problem the first two democratically elected MPs in Bosaso ?


Why do you keep removing the Kaptallah as the first community settled the location where the town is today ?


Why do you object Barkhad Ali Salah as first post Independence mayor ?


Why do you deny Deshiishe as the clan whose dominance of wider Bosaso district ?

Why you object the Ali Gurie who ruled Bosaso for some time ?


You advocate the practice based on clan dominance and clan enclave pre and post independence yet you avoid to apply the same to Bosaso, so why ?


look forward to your answers.


Besides, I have no problem with expert editors who intervene and settle the issue. Dolf133 (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dear Editor,
The ALL narrative you are changing the city's History is to advocate that my clan Dishiishe owns city which is in correct. In History of the area of Bari, Mudug and Nugaal there were only to Sultanates which rules that area centuries and that is everyone knows the history of that two Sultanate. Your argument the Bari region Sultanate never rules Bosaso. I have evidence in below links the forts of the Sultanate in Bosaso which known as Bandar Qasim. Imagine Qaw which is only 30km North of Bosaso was part of Majerteen Sultanate how do you advocate that except Bosaso are ruled my clan. Imagine if you say Bosaso is not jurisdiction of president Said Abdullahi Deni only there is clan that is impossible. As i known Bosaso is the melting pot city that can find it every Somali clan, History is History no one can make mistake for that.
I Don't have any objection who settled city as you said Kabtaanle, or who become MP. But it was part of that Majeerteen Sultanate. Stop clan mentality and think beyond that. I am not belong even Majerteen clan but as Historian and Researcher and Wikipedia Editor i want to tell History bravely and truly.
https://www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/a-history-of-the-majeerteen-sultanate
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Bosasso
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/ Muscab30 (talk) 17:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
FYI
You are writing here while you are still continue changing, first consensus I will not accept ever and never to write and publish they way you are want I am lawyer complying and uphold policies Muscab30 (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I said early, my argument is based on Bosaso’s previous history. You mentioned Said Deni, a recently reelected Puntland president. I don’t want to about president Deni as it has nothing to do with my argument? Also, my question are still outstanding ? If you have no objections of first settlers or MPs elected post independence you do you keep removing them ?
This below article highlights bosaso old history and cites multiple sources including colonialist and explorers. http://biyokulule.com/Bosaso_history.htm
I don’t any way but im hopeful the truth shall prevail.
i’m not a lawyer, but I’m knowledgebale bosaso history, i can’t accept the firts settlers bejng removed in a vandalism way, first mayor denied or objected. Also fabricating the history by writing the town was ruled m a certain clan which (likely) you belong.
I do all these because I understand Wikipedia is a universal platform which gives a firsthand assistance to those make an online researchs and mostly people.
We shall have fought vandalism and fabrication just to exalt the truth, comply editing decency set by wikipedia. Dolf133 (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do i do change ? I have avoided vandalism for times. The longstanding history which you have changed was a widely accepted. Dolf133 (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I never said one clan ruled Bosaso Majeerteen Sultanate it was not clan it was administrative name used the area that Sultanate ruled and Bosaso was part of it you can't hide and fabricate certainly clan ruled it. If you keeping part of the that history i don't have any other objection Kataale fist settled accepted
It should be Hart stronghold since All harti clan is in the city and even Darood would be ok.
I am always discussing in civic way but running and editing the page it would not be solution Muscab30 (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Below is original text from city website wrote when city twinned with minniapolis
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/ Muscab30 (talk) 18:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Accepted and yet reverted! This is all you do.

I don’t accept that bosaso was part of majeeteen sultanate.

i said clan dominance, not ruled, the town was ruled by Ali Gurie.


also you mixing the town’s current status and its pre-independnece histories. Also, my argument is not about clans residing the town now or before. Dolf133 (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I see you are talking very rude way without civility it should be consensus based that is way i am always making flexibility on the matter to avoid futher conflict. But I see you are continuously vandalism and resisting on it. You personal view is your personal view but wider popular knew the there were two Sultanate in the area Majeerteen Sultanate and Hobyo Sultanate and Bosaso was part of that you can't hide on it and you can't fabricatate something from your idea. Uou don't need to accept or deny [[Majeerteen Sultanate][ was the ruler of the city not single clan ruled single village Bosaso at that time was few hurts I have even it's photo with Sultanate forts. Muscab30 (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I didn't accept and never accepted the fabrication you are doing. I never accept that one clan ruled city or are stronghold which is fake history with no reference. If you are sensitive the name of Majeerteen it's totally different Majeerteen and Majeerteen Sultanate be civic and accept reality and true history. Muscab30 (talk) 19:24, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do believe all my arguments are based on facts, and i always distance myself from being a rude. As an editor, I do have limits. All i wanted to prove is that you accept some matters, despite you swiftly reverted them from the page. So it’s like being a hawk and a chicken at the same time. I clearly said that realties on the ground don’t imply that there were a sultanate in Bosaso, the town had a ruler.


furthermore, i do follow the wikipedia editing policy. I just restored the longstanding history section which you intentionally and frequently removed. Dolf133 (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I accept compromise not your idea and your clan-based mindset. I see all your comments just aim to promote clan wich could create more conflict and contradiction and misleading history and truth. I hope administrators will remove you. Muscab30 (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don’t think it’s a good thing to call someone as clanish. My arguments have historical basis, such as first settlers and first democratically post independence MPs, as well as first post independence mayor all these are widely accepted in the area and have rigid historical basis which you actively objected.

I am ok with administrators to intervene. Dolf133 (talk) 20:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Let me fairly ask Which clans they are hails those mayors and MPs you are obsessived i can swear they're from your clan and you are promoting with no historcal evidence and references. Muscab30 (talk) 20:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think their clan is not the matter, if they became, they became, and it’s history.

Also your question signfies that you have no sufficient knowledge around bosaso history.

i am here to build a strong, very constructive debate, but we shall not be able to change the histories, in particular, those are integral parts such as first settlers, first post independence mayor and MPs.


the matter of rule always changes, maybe two, three rules within two, three decades. Dolf133 (talk) 03:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

The fist elected MP is not only even the one you mentioned was three and is not including the one you mentioned msybe he selected later elections.anyway stop vandalism and clansm dont misleading history. Muscab30 (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Even This they took this from Wikipedia history section
https://www.minneapolis.org/about-us/sister-cities/bosaso-somalia/ Muscab30 (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Search Somalia post independence MPs. These are added with citation. Stop editing and let’s engage in a constructive discussion. Dolf133 (talk) 08:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dear Editor,
You are escaping compromise and conflict resolution, you are speaking very Rude way by running editing page, you are misleading people by fabricating no referenced source of history. You are hiding Majeerteen Sultanate history in the area wich is capital city of Bari, Somalia region. But, the only thing that I wanna inform you is such rude behaviour you can't solve problem existing. Therefore you are trying to manipulate by saying you "accepted" I never accepted something from your view but I am always ready to accept compromise based on reference. Muscab30 (talk) 08:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I loudly said several time that i am ready conflict resolution. I am telling you that Bosaso never was part of the majeerteen sultanate. yes Bosaso is the administrative capital of Bari Region, it’s one Puntland main towns. You wanna to eradicate the essential history of pre-independence as well as post-independence. I don’t Wikipedia accepta such behavior.


You said, you have no objections of first settlers Kaptallah, yet you kept removing them.


Also said, you have no problem with first democratically elected MPs and then erased them too.

your actions go against your words. conflict resolution stipulates what agreed upon to be executed fully. Dolf133 (talk) 09:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

that is your clan-based history that you wanna fabricate without resources and reference, famously Bosaso was part and parcel of Administrative systems of Majeerteen Sultanate history. Read more on history Muscab30 (talk) 09:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

No, all you said are baseless.

Do not damage other useful historical matters. You wanna destroy everything for the sake of your activism. It will not work, and Wikipedia policy doesn’t accept such behavior.


kindly, do no harm.

thank you. Dolf133 (talk) 10:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Dolf133 what base in your argument b/w you and User:Muscab30, both you WP:UNDO more than 30 times. QalasQalas (talk) 10:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Dear Editor, don't mislead the real history of the city and all Puntland Muscab30 (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dolf133 iyo @Muscab30 mar dambe hadii aad wax ka badashaan bogga labadiina ciwaan waa la idin ka xirayaa wax dambe ma badali kadhaaniin, digniin ayuu idin siiyay adminka, Waan ogahay doodii waxay ku salaysan san tahay laakiin waxaan idiin samaynayaa Maqaal cusub oo ah Taariikhda boosaso labadiina Ra"yi waa dhiiban kadhaaniin, maskax kudara oo joojiya buuqq iyo disruption editing aad ku wadaan page-ka, mahadsanidiin. QalasQalas (talk) 11:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Editor @QalasQalasfor your advice, As Editors we should share wider public reliable and constructive based articles. I am always happy to follow and uphold Wikipedia editorial policy and consensus based conflict resolutions. But my brother @Dolf133 he is using multiple accounts to misleading audience by sharing biased and articles based on his views likes/dislike. Let us make constructive discussion with civility opinions. Thank you again Muscab30 (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
My argument is based that the rival editor has removed the Kaptallah which is the first community settled where the bosaso is today, this community is considered as first settlers, thus, they should not be romoved.
The editor elso removed the first two democratically elected post-independence MPs.
Removed as well Maritime history of Somalia page which is considered as one of main article derived the town’s histories, as town evolved as coastal town.
I wish the wikipedia administrators will intervene.
Editor also argues his clan ruled the town, which has no historical basis. Dolf133 (talk) 12:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
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