Talk:Black Lantern Corps

Listing of members

Why are the members listed by issue they appeared? No other Corps is like that 24.168.27.158 (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Short version? It reinforces the "Do not add until the character has actually appeared in a published comic" premise for writing about in-universe elements.

There is also the built in limitation for this group - it is unlikely to exist beyond the end of the story. This tends to make the only "notable" aspect when the characters came on stage. - J Greb (talk) 21:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Small addendum: Most of the other team lists are in the same type of order, it's just that they are separate list articles. This one, being within a fuller article, is a bit more blunt about it. - J Greb (talk) 02:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

By appearances, do you mean the character actually has to be named in dialogue? I noticed several blatantly obvious members, such as Ch'p and Bzzd, have not been listed, although they only appear in artwork and are not mentioned by name (it's hard not to recognize a bug and a squirrel in a bow tie). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dallan007 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

That's exactly what it means - The character is pictured in the issue and identified either in the issue text or a reliable secondary source. - J Greb (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I honestly don't see why that has to be. I mean, if an easily recognizable character appears as a Black Lantern, why should it matter that they haven't been explicitly referred to by name yet? And for that matter, both Ke'Haan and Amon Sur had speaking roles. That should at least count for something. - Mustkillroy —Preceding undated comment added 14:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC).

It falls under original research - you are providing a nugget of information based on your own knowledge or your own comparison of the art in issues X and Y. A "speaking role" really doesn't count here, that's more of a "cameo vs appearance" issue, which is also something the article doesn't go into. The best way to argue for inclusion on the list, barring the character being named and shown in an issue, is to find a good annotation from a reliable source listing character appearances. - J Greb (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Side note

I've added 2 types tracking notes in the list:

1. Characters named by a black ring but not shown as a Black Lantern, and
2. Cameos of the above when the first show up as Black Lanterns.

I'm not advocating tracking the cameos of "assumed" Black Lanterns - the characters that an editor can ID and "knows" is "dead". This is though a way to keep track of the info the DC has given in regards of the "name and show".

Part of tracking the cameos though is to also ask the question: Is the cameo enough to add the character to the "List"?

I've also tweaked the links. A good chunk of the characters point to "one of many" that have used an ID. Running this type of list, it is a good idea to have the "Secret ID" listed. And in come cases, the secret ID is the dab for the article.

- J Greb (talk) 03:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Should Nekron be listed as one of the Black Lantern's leaders? 216.15.71.127 (talk) 01:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

After issue 5 is on sale, yes. Not before. - J Greb (talk) 01:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay only wondering because it mentions all over the article that he's their creator and leader but didn't in the list. I thought it was just a small error and didn't realize the the issue was the final confirming source. 216.15.71.127 (talk) 01:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

"Panthra"

Considering the character is not named within the tie-in issues where it appears, it doesn't get added to the list.

To re-iterate from above: WE, the editors here, do not get to add our evaluation or conclusion about the topic. That is original research. This includes, but is not limited to identifying characters visually. While such information may be correct, it's out side of how Wikipedia is structured.

If there is a reliable secondary source identifying the character, fine and dandy. The character can be added along with the reference.

- J Greb (talk) 22:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

OR issue among other things...

Primary thing: The "Wildebeest" is only verbally IDed in the book as "Wildebeest". If there is a reliable secondary source that is indeed the reanimated Baby Wildebeest, please provide it. Otherwise, given it could be any of the "Wildebeest Society", leave it as is.

Other items:

• There is little reason to add "code names" to the commented out text.
• With Copperhead - It is reasonable to point at the specific section considering there are 2 distinct characters covered.
• Blackest Night #5 - The characters are currently listed in appearance order, consistent with the rest of the list. And for clarity:
  • page 9, panel 1
  • page 20-21
  • Page 22-23, panel 6, 1st word balloon
  • Page 22-23, panel 6, 2nd word balloon
  • Page 22-23, panel 7
  • Page 22-23, panel 8
  • Page 22-23, panel 9, 1st word balloon
  • Page 22-23, panel 9, 2nd word balloon
  • Page 22-23, panel 10

- J Greb (talk) 23:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

It seems pretty clear from the various Blackest Night Tie-ins that the rings are not charged by killing people. Though it has not been made explicit, it seems clear that the black rings feed on and are charged by people's emotions. The text should be changed to reflect this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.133.216 (talk) 23:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

How has that been made clear, exactly? Until it's state explicitly in a reliable resource, it's speculation and shouldn't be included. -Hooliganb (talk) 23:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I think this is a ref to BN:Superman where there was an attempt at "good" horror - imply the deaths, but don't show them. - J Greb (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hawkman/Hawkgirl not shown as BL's, Firestorm Not Shown in costume? Since When?

In the list of Black Lantterns, it states Hawkman and Hawkgirl were never shown as Black Lanterns, and Ronnie Raymond was never shown in costume. On page 31 of Blackest Night #2, the Hawks and Firestorm are clearly shown in costume, with Martian Manhunter and Ralph and Sue Dibney. Made the changes to the article. EpiphanyAF (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

"Named in issue #1 but not shown in costume." and "Killed in issue #1 but not shown as a Black Lantern."

Reads the same as "Character was named by a ring/killed in issue #1 but was not shown as a Black Lantern in that issue."

In a short list, width-wise at least, "...in that issue" is redundant.

- J Greb (talk) 17:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

new members

a lot of the members added from blackest night 3 do not go to the pages for the characters because whoever put them up set the wrong links 24.168.27.158 (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Dates

Is there any reason that all the dates on the issues are completely wrong and we're not allowed to correct them? - Mustkillroy

Convention with comic is to use the cover dates when the date is used in conjunction with a specific issue or run of issues. If this were a case of stating "In a story published from X to Y", then the on-shelf date would be appropriate. It isn't. - J Greb (talk) 17:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Still, I have noticed that most of the books that have both a November and December tie-in (January and February cover dates) don't seem to have the February cover date added, making it look like two issues are being published in one month. 24.215.211.15 (talk) 23:45, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Concealed cameos

Those who made cameos as Black Lanterns have been concealed. We need to make the cameos visible in the Black Lantern membership part for each issue. Rtkat3 (talk) 4:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

See #Side note for why these are there.

If these are going to be moved out of the comments, we are going to have to be very careful. Right now the "roster" is adding the characters after they've been ID in the text and shown as a Black Lantern, hence the like those with Aquaman and Jack T. Chance.

- J Greb (talk) 21:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The characters previously mentioned were confirmed to be Black Lanterns. I don't have the issues so I can't help in identifying the panels. If any of the concealed cameos aren't named by the time the "Blackest Night" storyline ends, then we'll have to do something about it. Rtkat3 (talk) 1:10, January 1 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, this one is still nagging the back of my mind, and it's breaking down into 2 magor points:

1. Reworking the list so that the links go where the character was first named/shown with a note as to the later identifiable image/identification by name is.
2. The implied premise behind the Black Lanterns took a major curve with the tertiary cross overs (Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, Justice League of America, etc). Prior to that point the implication was that the BLs were the actual characters. Those stories though changed the implication, making it look like the revenants are imperfect recreations/copies of the characters. If the later holds, then the only characters to actually be Black Lantern are the ones turned in BK 5.

At this point though, I'm not to the "Let's change this" stage. - J Greb (talk) 18:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Brightest Day

There needs to be some revising done in alot of entries for the Black Lanterns. Geoff Johns has stated that ONLY those we saw resurrected in Blackest Night #8 have come back. This means Blue Beetle, Question, Harbinger, Ralph and Sue Dibny, etc. are all STILL dead. - EMFreyre (talk) 12:06am, 2 May 2010 (EST)

Orphaned references in Black Lantern Corps

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• From Carol Ferris: Green Lantern vol. 5, #20 (May 2013)
• From Hal Jordan: Green Lantern (vol. 5) #20 (May 2013)

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