Talk:Athena Promachos

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Pose discrepancy

Why the insistence on depicting the statue with a lowered shield arm;

1. When the coinage illustrated the shield arm at 90 degrees to the body.

2. The populace of Constantinople is said to have destroyed the statue at the forum of Constantine out of superstition that her "outstretched" arm was beconing the Crusaders from the West.

3. Nicetas Choniates describes the statue with an outstetched shield arm, his description that the other arm was holding her garment is plausible if the spear had become lost somewhere in the preceding 1600 years, and the arm had held the spear against her body, now seemingly clutching her garment instead.

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This perception that the ancient pagan statues still were vaguely maleficence (indeed, for the early church fathers, they were the very habitation of demons), was demonstrated again that same year, when, in alarm at the approaching crusaders, the populace of Constantinople "smashed the statue of Athena that stood on a pedestal in the Forum of Constantine, for it appeared to the foolish rabble that she was beckoning on the Western armies" (§558). Nicetas goes on to say that the bronze colossus was thirty feet high and that the mob, "who were wholly ignorant of the orientation of the points of the compass contended that the statue was looking west and with her hand was beckoning the Western armies," misapprehended the fact that the right hand of the goddess actually was pointing south. The statue has been identified with various Athenas by Phidias, including the Parthenos (the figure of the goddess in the Parthenon), the Promachos (the figure on the Acropolis), and the Lemnia (dedicated by the citizens of Lemnos, also on the Acropolis), but no definite associations can be made

Ref: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/circusmaximus/hippodrome.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.93.208.34 (talk) 02:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Well, I've heard two other stories about the final disposition of the statue: 1)That the statue was transported to Constantinople in c 450 AD and was never heard from again! 2) The statue was "picked at" by increasing desparate pagan priests/priestesses who sold the gold/ivory to buy food after Christians became the majority. Wood vermin took care of the rest. I kind of like the latter....:)Student7 03:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the 'christian' from the description of the mob that supposedly destroyed the Promachos (how) as it kind of goes without saying that inhabitants of Constantinople in 1203 would be Orthodox Christians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.213.99 (talk) 20:12, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Athena Promachos

How tall was she? From toe to spear tip? 2800:484:784:130:A3:6538:AFC5:8AC6 (talk) 03:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)