Talk:Aldo Moro/Archive 1

Untitled

Not sure if my last edit went through, but there are conflicting statements in the main article. Specifically, one section states: "He had been shot in the chest 11 times." whereas a later section states that 10 rounds had been used to murder Moro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.61.2 (talk) 10:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record, Aldo Moro was a CIA agent himself. He accepted money in briefcases from CIA operatives and personally gave these money-luggages to italian mafia representatives, who were contracted to murder certain italian organized labour (workers' union) leaders, whom the italian government and the CIA choose to target to stop the wave of labour strikes. At least SEVEN union leaders were murdered this way. Thus Aldo Moro was a spy, a traior and public enemy of his own nation and his execution by the revolutionary court was right and just. 195.70.48.242

Edit: Proofs? anon

These statements are just speculations. Never heard about in Italy. --pippo2001 03:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Speculation is putting it delicately. It is slander, pure and simply. Apparently Red Brigade admirers can't help but try to villify the innocent victims of this violent, murderous organization. And it is an age-old tradition among communists (at least, it is in Europe) to paint all political opponents as "CIA agents". Shameless slander won't change the facts, though. 193.92.81.11 00:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The above statement is pure rubbish and fiction. There is absolutely no proof of it and I have never heard of any such nonsense.

This article is in serious need of cleaning up in my opinion. I found it to be very difficult to follow. It is stated that he was Prime Minister five times in the opening and then that he held that office only two times later on. I also find the grammar to be incorrect in several places.

Negotiations

I have removed a hard-to-follow seance story, and although I have left a second unsourced speculation "It has been suggested that some politicians..." Is there a source? Who suggested? KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

No source. But, honestly, this is common opinion in Italy.

document

I am new to this subject, but thought this could be rather relevant to this article:

• http://www.arcticbeacon.com/4-July-2006.html

above link is dead now; http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/30-June-2006.html — Xiutwel ♫☻♥♪ (talk) 09:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

— Xiutwel (talk) 21:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Tee article posted above does not confrom to WP:RS and WP:V. Please review these and try and find a source that does conform to these policies. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 21:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Assessment

If anyone is currently working on this article, you might consider nominating it for GA status - a ittle bit of copyediting and a few more references are all that should be required. Carom 17:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

This article will need much more work for it become GA in the future. Especially the "historical compromise" needs work, as PCI was never going to get any cabinet members to start with, and was only to provide for a parliamentary majority. This was known before Moro was kidnapped. (i.e. there was no historical compromise to begin with). Intangible2.0 17:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, to much attention is given ludicrous fringe theories about the kidnap and his death, which are not even properly referenced. - Mafia Expert (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

These "ludicrous fringe theories" are properly referenced. They also have much more sense than a story about some "second brigade rouge" (that noone knew existed before the kidnapping) kidnapping a politician that was going to introduce left-wing party in the parliament. Obviously a cui bono argument gives quite an unequivocal answer. And it's not about Red Brigades. Face it.

About GA: this does not look like a good nominee to me: the reason is two parts of the article propose two totally different versions, and they do not match together at all, have no proper connection, just claim totally different things.FeelSunny (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC

At this point, which is well after the terrorism of Gladio has been public acknowledged, the only thing "ludicrous" is the blind acceptance of explanation by government officials who time and time are busted in lies. Frankly, the story about "Red Brigades" is absurd, Aldo Moro was obviously assassinated by the US/UK/NATO. Furthermore, it seems that a reference to Webster Tarpley, who was commission by the Italian government to investigate Aldo Moro's assassination and who determined it be US/UK/NATO, is missing here. This yet another blatant case of Wikipedia disregarding its own NPOV standard for political reasons, covering up acts of treason not only against Italy but also the USA and the UK in the 9/11 and 7/7 articles and many others.

Wikipedia will never publish it since it is the official version. Thanks for writing these facts because at least those who search will have some answers. --Justana (talk) 20:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia

The 14:46, 21 January 2009 Kbthompson version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 14:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Confusing dates

Aldo Moro was abducted in 1978. How does this correlate with the cinematic adaptation called Todo modo (1975)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.123.89.21 (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Todo modo is not an adaptation of the kidnapping, it just contains a character inspired by Aldo Moro 78.13.162.57 (talk) 14:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Alternative Theories

Should there really be any mention of "alternative theories" about Moro? They strike me as essentially fringe theories. I recommend the entire section be deleted immediately. I'm unfamiliar with Italian politics, but frankly I'm yet to find a credible source that espouses these views. It's rather obviously added by conspiracy theorists. The quote about "sacrificing" Moro strikes me as a quote devoid of context on par with "pull it". Joker1189 (talk) 05:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

They seem all documented by the provided references. I would change the title, since "alternative points of view" seems indeed to imply the following sections contains conspiracy theories. 78.13.162.57 (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

As Italian and i think quite expert on Italian politics I have to say that what in the article is called "Stalinist interpretations" (!) are getting more and more credible, thanks to new revelations and pentiti. The article needs review, because to call "stalinist" opinion endorsed by the same judge who handled the case, close friends of Moro, his familiars even is ridiculous and, especially, infamous.--Desyman44 (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The 'alternative theories' you are talking about have been established as fact in a large number of other political and terrorist crimes in Italy during the same period. Gladio is fact. False flag operations in Italy mis-representing organisations like the Red Brigades are fact. So its not a great leap for people to start pointing fingers at them for an event, that more then anything, sabotaged the Communist parties ambitions in Italy and as you can see there are plenty of references doing so.--Senor Freebie (talk) 03:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Moro was killed by anyone other than Communists. "Alternative points are view" are just baseless conspiracy theories. Yes, Gladio was a "fact". But the fact is that this was a secret military formation held in reserve against possible Soviet invasion. It had nothing to do with terrorism, much less with Moro's death. If you believe that any power or agency would plan the killing of anyone, much less a senior political figure, for political purposes, I am sorry for you.Royalcourtier (talk) 01:40, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

What a ridiculius statement. Look over at assassination. Prinsgezinde (talk) 13:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Prime Minister

He was PM for a total of over 6 years and spent several more in key cabinet posts,yet there is no mention of this other than the beginning and end dates. Thus the B quality rating of this article was very generous.Lenbrazil (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

One point for a moderator or someone more knowledgeable than I: One of the earlier sections in the Moro article states that he was shot in the chest 11 times. Later, the article states that "10 rounds" were emptied. Not sure which is correct or if there is some way that 10 shots can turn into 11, but this probably needs fixing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.61.2 (talk) 10:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Involvement of Daughter in Kidnapping?

In Clear and Present Danger, Tom Clancy mentions "a former prime minister of Italy [who] had been betrayed by a daughter to the terrorist kidnappers who'd ultimately murdered him," which is an obvious reference to Aldo Moro. Has anyone else ever heard of this allegation? Wfgiuliano (talk) 16:52, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Clancy drank something strong before saying this! Moro's family had no role, if not pushing on DC and Socialist members, and the pope himself, to try do something, but they did not obtain anything. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 17:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Moro a "Centre Leftist"?!

I consider this characterization a major mistake, both in the intro and in the main body of the text. Aldo Moro was a moderate right-winger, or of the centre-right. As a stalwart of the moderate, right-wing Christian Democracy party, Moro could never have been a "leftist", moderate or otherwise. People often carry confused notions of Moro's ideas because he was a moderate, conciliatory politician when it came to matters of political power. But he was a politician of the Right, as evidenced by his ideological beliefs. -The Gnome (talk) 08:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Highly Relevant video about Aldo Moro warning from National Security Adviser [USA] Heinz Alfred Kissinger https://vimeo.com/66019647 YuppiePilgrim (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Aldo Moro. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070928121613/http://waam.net/jhjournal/view_article.php?a_no=124&p_no=1 to http://waam.net/jhjournal/view_article.php?a_no=124&p_no=1
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051023225402/http://www.radioradicale.it/speciale_br/link/Memoriale%20Moro.html to http://www.radioradicale.it/speciale_br/link/Memoriale%20Moro.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence?

"In Red Brigades member Alberto Franceschini's book,[40][41] and finally acquitted by the Supreme Court of Cassation in 2003."

This sentence appears to be missing it's middle portion. It makes no sense the way it stands. - Dough34 (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed accusers

The section entitled "Alternative Views" opens: "Left wing writers have accused the United States as responsible for Moro's death. The "Gladio network", directed by NATO, has also been accused." Who are these left wing writers who have accused the United States and Nato? This amounts to editorializing (as does the word "Alternative" -- alternative to what?) Needs rewriting, just stating the facts. Mballen (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Removed sentence (misunderstanding) on my part. Mballen (talk) 04:23, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Aldo Moro 1969.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 03:08, 2 October 2020 (UTC)