Talk:Aasiya Zubair

Merge

• Merge - With all due respect to her tragic demise, I haven't seen indication that Zubair is notable in the encyclopedic sense. Notability is not inherited and Zubair seems to have been unnoticed by the media prior to her murder. Media attention to the murder is pinned on the notability of accused killer Muzzammil Hassan rather than Zubair herself. Please refer to Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable only for one event for more discussion of this point. --Boston (talk) 14:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Don't Merge - I understand where you're coming from, but Zubair is more notable than a lot of small time authors and murder victims already listed on Wikipedia.

1) Her status as co-founder of the first english language Muslim channel in the US is fairly significant. She should have been included before.

2) Other murder victims with arguably fewer accomplishments are included -- for instance JonBenét_Ramsey, have their own page, separate from the pages focusing on their murder.

3) She's mentioned as often as Muzzammil Hassan is in media reports. The hits for her wikipedia page are currently higher than the hits for the Muzzammil Hassan page.

4) She is also very significant to the Muslim community as a symbol of the need to address the issue of domestic violence. She would be akin to someone like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Scott So, I think there's a strong case for keeping this page separate. It can always be deleted in a year or two if stats show that this page is insignificant. 96.52.162.82 (talk) 07:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• Merge - the IP's comments refer more to the results of events than any individual notability. It's generally safe to say that if someone only becomes notable for the events surrounding their death or for one event that occurs to them (WP:BLP1E), they shouldn't have a biographical article to themselves, because it will never be more than stub. Furthermore, the Bridges article doesn't even mention her by name, so whether she is a co-founder of the network (and thus notable for that) is entirely speculative.MSJapan (talk) 16:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
• Don't merge. There are plenty of pre-murder sources that establish notability as founder and executive of Bridges. that it took her tragic murder to make wikipedians realize this should not bear in any way on the fact that notability is not for a single event, nor that it predates the murder. --Cerejota (talk) 22:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• I'm certainly not prejudiced by the way in which she came to the attention of Wikipedia editors. If there are plenty of sources establishing her notability when she was alive, they need to be incorporated in the article. Right now the article does not meet WP:BIO standards of WP:Notability. --Boston (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't mergeShe should have a separate article.No need to merge.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

To clarify a couple of misconceptions that have popped up in Ms. Japan's comments:

• as mentioned by Cerejota, there are plenty of pre-murder sources that establish notability. I added one prominent reference, a 2003 magazine which features her in a cover story. Her face is on the cover, and there is an article inside directly relating to her accomplishments with her pioneering broadcasting work. The assessment of her work is therefore not at all speculative, but well-documented.

• "comments refer more to the results of events than any individual notability" "if someone only becomes notable for the events surrounding their death, it will never be more than stub": Not at all true; it depends on how their death is interpreted by a community. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Scott -- Rachel Scott was not a notable person prior to her death, and she died in a massacre amongst many victims. Yet she merits a page because a collective memory of her death promulgating subsequent events in a community. Similarly, Aasiya Zubair's death is promulgating many events in both American society in general and the American/Canadian/etc. Muslim communities. The linked FaceBook group is but one example.

Notability/Merge

If someone would please add a little more info about Ms. Zubair independent of her demise I'd be eager to removed the notability and merge tags. Thanks. --Boston (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

the fact that the president of the National Organization for Women of New York and other commentators regard this as an honor killing makes her and the article notable. I removed the tags.AMuseo (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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