Talk:1995 Pacific Grand Prix/Archive 1

Archive 1

Comments on opening sections of the article

It looks good so far; I've made a list of information which could be added, sourced from AUTOCOURSE.

Lead

• It could be noted that Schumacher was passed by Berger as well at the first corner, but repassed on lap five. (lap chart, p.214)
  • Done. D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• It could also be worth noting in the lead that Schumacher had three sets of brand-new tyres for the race, whereas Hill and Coulthard had only two each, as well as the fact that Coulthard switched from a three to two-stopp strategy. (p.209)
  • Not sure. I'm probably going to mention it in the main body in the Race section (Tony Jardine mentioned exactly the same thing just before the parade lap). D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. Do you think the location of it is OK? I think I've explained it pretty well to non-F1 fans... D.M.N. (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Looks OK to me. I'm going to add a further comment about the tyres in the qualifying section below.--Diniz(talk) 15:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Background

• Williams were favourites to win the race due to the high-downforce track (similar to the Hungaroring). (p.209)
  • Done. Note the below point about Benetton and rear-suspension, I've put the two in the same paragraph. D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Coulthard is confirmed as moving to McLaren for 1996: he will also take Hill's race engineer, David Brown, with him and receive a reputed threefold salary increase. (p.209)
  • I will insert, not as a whole paragraph, but integregate into below point.... D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Hill under pressure following his poor European GP: there are quotations from Coulthard, Brundle and Schumacher criticising him on p.209 which I can give you if you would like them. Also rumours that he will be swapped with Berger for 1996 denied by all parties concerned (p.209)
  • Yep, I think the quotations would be good. I've on that note, changed a line from the Japan article to note that speculation was "continued". D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Benetton introduced revised rear suspension geometry for this race. (p.209)
  • See above Williams point. D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Since Morbidelli is described as returning to Footwork, Gachot should be described as returning to Pacific. Some more information: Délétraz was originally signed for four races but dropped due to lack of performance and a sponsor defaulting on payments. Keith Wiggins wanted Katsumi Yamamoto to drive, but he was denied a Super Licence (as was Oliver Gavin for the Australian GP, if you ever want to improve that article). [1]
  • Ah, I noticed that myself. Unfortunately, F1 Rejects would have nearly zero chance of passing WP:RS and WP:SPS; same reason why ChicaneF1 is not considered a RS. D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • That's a shame, as the only other sources I can find are forums and even less reliable! There have been no objections to F1 Rejects being a prominent source in the Forti GA nomination, so would it be able to include it until it is objected to?--Diniz(talk) 16:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I might. I mean, it doesn't really affect the quality of the article not including the source; when the article does get to FAC; F1 Rejects will get shot down like ChicaneF1 did in the first few Japan FAC's. D.M.N. (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• On Thursday, the FIA World Council debated the issue of driver etiquette, deciding not to introduce new rules but emphasising that the International Sporting Code would be enforced on the basis that drivers are free to drive as they wish "provided they do not deliberately endanger another driver or repeatedly obstruct him on a straight", following a number of controversial incidents (mostly involving Hill and Schumacher) during the year. (p.211)
  • I believe the spat between Hill and Schumacher continued after the race because of the turn 1 near-collision. I'll put that in the Post-race later. D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• The World Council also formalises rule changes affecting the time and duration of free practice and qualifying sessions from 1996 onwards. This results in an increase of the 23-lap mileage limit per day to 30, an increase in the number of FP sessions from two to three, and the removal of the Friday qualifying session. (p.211)
  • I don't really want to put something solely concerning 1996 in the article. However, I have put it in the 1996 season article here. D.M.N. (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

--Diniz(talk) 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks! =D D.M.N. (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

More comments

Quotations

Pre-practice

“ I cannot ever see myself giving up. If you give up once, you always give up. ” — David Coulthard on Hill conceding the championship after the European GP, p.209

“ Damon has to re-establish himself as a racer. More than a few of us think that, wheel-to-wheel, he is lacking something. It might be that he needs to lose a front wheel or two to do so. ” — Martin Brundle, p.209

“ Damon's biggest problem is that he doesn't appear to be in control when he is trying to overtake He makes half-hearted attempts which land his in trouble - with no way out. ” — Michael Schumacher, p.209

“ We held a meeting earlier this month with leading F1 drivers and they agreed that no driver should endanger another driver, but otherwise should be allowed to compete freely. The World Council has accepted this view. The drivers are top professionals, so we will let them get on with it. ” — Max Mosley on the FIA World Council meeting on Thursday, p.211

Post-qualifying

“ Michael got close, and in a way I would have preferred him to have been ahead of me, because then I would have been on the cleaner line going down to the first corner. ” — Damon Hill, p.209

“ For me it was just a case of going out for my last run and trying to do better just in case Michael improved. But it was so close to the end of the session that I had to be out on the circuit; there wasn't time to see if Michael went quicker, then go out and try for a time if he did. ” — David Coulthard on wasting a new set of rubber at the end of Saturday qualifying, p.209

“ That was a good session, no major mistakes at all and I gradually refined the lap with each new set of tyres Starting near the front is very important here because it's so difficult to overtake It could have been even better except for a touch of understeer at the last corner. ” — Eddie Irvine, p.209

“ We made some changes to the car and, like yesterday, the balance was good but this time we had more grip. Both my runs this afternoon were exactly the same. I couldn't have gone any quicker. ” — Heinz-Harald Frentzen, p.209

“ Although it may not be the best in terms of grid placing, it was certainly one of my most satisfying qualifying performances of the year. Less than a tenth of a second quicker would have netted me seventh-fasest time! ” — Olivier Panis, pp.209-210

“ Qualifying so close behind a Ligier is like pole position for us. ” — Pedro Lamy, p.210 (c.f. Ligier securing Mugen Honda engines at the expense of Minardi for 1995

Post-race

“ It was a bit difficult at the beginning, because I was in fifth place and at that stage didn't think I was in a position to win. I was sure that I would be able to score the points that I needed, and that was it. But as the race developed, and because my pit crew was able to do the first stop in a perfect way, I was able to pull out in front of Damon and Alesi. That helped me to catch David and our strategy worked out. I never saw anything like this team and its ability to come up with strategies. They have been unbelievable. Not one mistake this season from these guys. ” — Michael Schumacher, p.209

“ I wasn't upset about it. But I was disappointed that he [Hill] concentrated a bit too much on me and allowed the Ferraris past. We should have been second and third and continued to race, but that's the way it was and still entertaining. ” — Michael Schumacher on the first lap, p.210

“ Michael wasn't happy with what I did a couple of times in the race and he has told me that he is unhappy with my driving. I find that extraordinary. The situation now is that we are completely free to drive as we like as long as it is not deliberately dangerous, So I drove in that style and he didn't like it. He should have no complaints...somehow or other, when we got into the braking area at the end of the back straight I did something wrong. But I can't see what I did wrong. It seems that there is one rule for him and another for everybody else at times. I just think that either you agree to that, and there should be no complaints, or there are rules and you should stick to them. I think that I am a better, stronger driver this year than I was last year and can build on that for next year. Clearly Michael has an advantage over everyone and if I want to win, then I am going to have to overhaul him. ” — Damon Hill on the battle between himself and Schumacher on lap 11, p.211

“ At that point I thought, 'I can do this with a two-stop strategy,' and immediately told the pits to delay my stop, because I was origonally due to come in at the end of lap 18. In retrospect, I wish I could blame someone else for this decision, because I can't. ” — David Coulthard on his decision to change strategy on lap 18, with a 14-second lead, p.211

“ There's not really a lot to say. At the start I managed to fight with the leaders mainly because I had started on a new set of tyres and had good grip. Then my tyres were not so good and I just did the best I could. ” — Jean Alesi, p.212

--Diniz(talk) 15:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I just made a long list of suggestions and adjustments, but unfortunately my laptop froze and I lost it all. Would you mind if I made the edits myself, as I can't face typing it all up again!--Diniz(talk) 16:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, sure. =) D.M.N. (talk) 16:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I've made all of the edits I want - over to you! ;)--Diniz(talk) 22:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! =D D.M.N. (talk) 07:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Note

I fixed this once; this edit violates WP:MOS#Images and WP:ACCESSIBILITY, putting a left-aligned image below a third-level heading.[2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC)