Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/William Ellis Newton
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- Promoted -MBK004 02:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Took this article on the only Victoria Cross recipient flying with an RAAF squadron during World War II to GA some time ago, but always had A/FA in my sights. Hope this recent expansion employing his sole biography and that of a comrade, Charles Learmonth (another article on the horizon!), does him justice. Any and all comments welcome... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There's an inconsistency with the spacing after p/pp. YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 00:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Heh, thought I got all those -- some search tool...! Anyway, should be all done now -- tks for your mods, and for the Perry scans long ago -- told ya I'd get round to taking the article to the next level some time... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support ... I should put in a request for Keith Truscott and Stan Sismey YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks mate. Dunno why but Bluey doesn't capture my imagination the way the others have, however I'm on a bit of a roll with Australian aces (including rugby player Nicky Barr to GA just lately) so you never know... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Admittedly, I'd like to see the former given a decent article, too (nudge, nudge). ;-) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks mate. Dunno why but Bluey doesn't capture my imagination the way the others have, however I'm on a bit of a roll with Australian aces (including rugby player Nicky Barr to GA just lately) so you never know... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Comments - excellent article, just a few points:
- "playing cricket at youth state level" - the placement of youth just doesn't sound right to me. Could this be changed to "playing cricket at state level in his youth"?
- Possibly one for YM to weigh in on...
- To be fair I'm not sure why we have to qualify as "youth state level". Would've thought that playing in the Victorian Second XI still counts as "state level" -- or does "state level" always imply "first class", YM? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly one for YM to weigh in on...
- Don't think this is to much of a big deal, but the information on his parents and siblings is slightly misleading in that Minnie was Charles Newton's second wife (his first having died), and Bill's three siblings were actually half-siblings from Charles' first marriage; Bill was Minnie's only child.
- I was getting a bit concerned that the early life section was becoming too involved, but since then I've split the previous large section into two so probably fair to point this out. One thing is that I don't have the bio on hand so if you have your copy handy you'd be doing me a favour by confirming that the refs for this bit are in the pp.1-6 range... ;-)
- Covered in the first two prargraphs of page 1. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I was getting a bit concerned that the early life section was becoming too involved, but since then I've split the previous large section into two so probably fair to point this out. One thing is that I don't have the bio on hand so if you have your copy handy you'd be doing me a favour by confirming that the refs for this bit are in the pp.1-6 range... ;-)
- On the bit regarding Newton's commission and gaining his wings, the date is given but no year. I presume it was 1940, but it might be an idea to clarify that as no year is previously given in that paragraph either.
- Yep, dead right, this is the result of splitting up what had become a large single para -- will do.
- Same as above in the first paragraph of the "Attacks on Salamaua" section, and again in the "Revelations and reactions" section.
- Yep, agree, fair enough to repeat the year once we're in a new (sub)section.
- There were aircraft sent out to search for Newton's aircraft after it had crashed, as mentioned in his biography, which might be worth adding in.
- Again fair enough, can I trouble you to confirm the page ref for that?
- Pages 64-65: several of the aircraft formed a "defensive circle" around the downed bomber, in which two were seen to swin clear (though they did not think Newton was one of them), while one returned to base to inform Hampshire; the remainder were later forced to return, also, due to lack of fuel. Another sortie was immediately dispatched to recover the pair who were last seen swimming for shore, but they were not discovered. Also in this range, it discusses how Newton and Lyon, on reaching the shore, were led into the jungle by "two friendly natives" towards the location of an Australian Coastwatcher. For some reason, however, they decided to turn around and head back towards the coast and were captured by the Japanese patrol. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Pretty good here, but could the fact that they were meant to be heading towards the location of an Australian Coastwatcher be added in, as it seems to be a rather notable facet? Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- No prob. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Pretty good here, but could the fact that they were meant to be heading towards the location of an Australian Coastwatcher be added in, as it seems to be a rather notable facet? Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Pages 64-65: several of the aircraft formed a "defensive circle" around the downed bomber, in which two were seen to swin clear (though they did not think Newton was one of them), while one returned to base to inform Hampshire; the remainder were later forced to return, also, due to lack of fuel. Another sortie was immediately dispatched to recover the pair who were last seen swimming for shore, but they were not discovered. Also in this range, it discusses how Newton and Lyon, on reaching the shore, were led into the jungle by "two friendly natives" towards the location of an Australian Coastwatcher. For some reason, however, they decided to turn around and head back towards the coast and were captured by the Japanese patrol. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Again fair enough, can I trouble you to confirm the page ref for that?
- In case you wanted further details on Newton's time in the militia, he served as a private in the machine gun section of the 6th Battalion, Royal Melbourne Regiment (Weate p.15). Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, why not -- ta. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks Bryce. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks again mate, worked most or all of that stuff in. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- All good, so change to support. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for your help, mate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- All good, so change to support. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks again mate, worked most or all of that stuff in. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: I couldn't find anything lacking in this article. For the purposes of the review, these are my comments:
- there are no dab links, external links all work and images all have alt text (no action required);
- images are all appropriately licenced (no action required);
- the article is comprehensive, well written, structured, referenced in a consistent and appropriate style, and supported with suitable supporting materials (no action required). AustralianRupert (talk) 12:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for your thorough check, mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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