Bigboss9893

Disputed attendance figures

Hello, please stop removing the "disputed" tag next to attendance figures for WWE shows. They may well be sourced, but the source in question comes from WWE's own reporting. WWE notoriously inflates figures; it's effectively a kayfabe number. When independent sources dispute the figure we must make that clear per WP:NPOV. Thanks. — Czello ^(music) 10:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

To follow on from this, please note that independent sources take priority over WWE's misleading figures. I've reverted this edit accordingly. — Czello ^(music) 22:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I am posting again to warn you to stop removing disputed attendance records. You've done it several times since I last posted here; please stop otherwise I'll have to take this to WP:ANI. — Czello ^(music) 07:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Wait a minute,you haven’t been following the trolling in the page? I know it is so long to follow but there are literally people who put a match at a video game comic con at 265K and it wasn’t even me who added the combined numbers or anything,people who put a show that didn’t even happen yet,people who removed a huge chunk of the page,i was the one who was reversing those edits back like they were also this page of the highest wrestling attendance ever has been around forever and never had 2 seperate columns of pr attendance and real attendance and you can follow it,why change it now? It has been around for many years,i wonder who has the agenda? We would have to do 2 seperate columns on every single wwe wikipedia page that mention attendances in any fashion,there aren’t 2 attendances numbers in the PPV pages also there is a difference between paid tickets and people in the building that is missing people heads,Also there was legit trolling from people that don’t unusually use wikipedia,seems like they are coming from twitter or a forum since a lot of them don’t even have accounts or just created accounts specifically for them and for that gentleman,he didn’t even put sources,he just edited it,the combined numbers should be put out since if you click on Wrestlemania 38 or Wrestlemania 39,it’s a single event on two nights,the current column doesn’t make sense if the north korean shows and Wrestlemanias not combined Bigboss9893 (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

By the way,the current rankings looks like a mess because of the 2 columns if you really take a look at it,how are 80K or 67K attendnce shows above 150K for the north korean show but there is another north korean show at number 1,the order is actually a mess because of this idea that didn’t even exist for the page that has been around like this for like 10 years but seems like there are specific fans of a company that are trying to ruin this Bigboss9893 (talk) 11:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

i think Czello should just undo your last edit only for the combined numbers but you need to combine the north korean show of day 1 and 2 as well

and do 161K for WM 39 and 156K for WM 38 because the rankings of the numbers doesn’t make sense if you look at it now and it isn’t obvious that they are combined Bigboss9893 (talk) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Replying on the talk page rather than here to avoid splitting the conversation - but just to be clear, the NK shows aren't combined, they're split. — Czello ^(music) 11:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Not just the north korean show (which should be combined as well) please take a look at the column again,the rankings will be a mess,it isn’t just the north korean show,how is a show that had 67K in attendance above shows that did 77K,80K,82K or 101K or a show that had 78K above show that did 80K (jim londos show) take a look at it again to see what i’m trying to explain Bigboss9893 (talk) 11:52, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop derailing the conversation on the Wikiproject. It's a discussion about PPV articles; appealing to other users to look at other articles you're unhappy with is off-topic. Either keep it to the collapse section or the relevant article's talk page. — Czello ^(music) 12:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, to be clear, I've not removed any of your comments - I just collapsed them. By reposting them you're just duplicating them already on the page. — Czello ^(music) 13:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do not undo the changes to attendance on PPV articles - there is a clear consensus to show the actual numbers. — Czello ^(music) 15:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

Your recent editing history at WrestleMania III shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. — Czello ^(music) 16:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Here are the different sourcces:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/18110397/column_mentions_88000/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/18111087/90000_to_attend_wrestlemania_gannett/ Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

you are the one who is changing the edits not me,there is still a discussion going on Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I see a consensus and just you arguing against it. — Czello ^(music) 17:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I don’t understand what you are trying to say? Who said that you don’t put the figures at all? I told you if you want to do marketed attendance and actual attendance like you did in the wrestling attendance records page or just put a disputed note with the reported number on every single website,that’s fine and should be the best solution

how is the wrestling attendance records page have 2 columns which was a terrible idea

now you want to remove the attendance figures on those pages from existence? And by the way,you change your mind every single day about what should be done with those pageswhich is so bizzare and tells a lot

i gave you sources from newspapers that had different figures Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

WWE's claimed figures still exist in the article - just not in the infobox. The marketed vs actual attendance is just for the records list article. And no, I'm not changing my mind - I'm seeking consensus for things I think would improve the encyclopedia, which is how Wikipedia works. — Czello ^(music) 17:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Show me where that consecus was approed

that you report the fake dave Meltzer number and remove the 93K figure

i don’t care what numbers you want to put,93K figure should be put there

also dave meltzer got them from wwe in the source as well

this one doesn’t have anything to do with WWF https://www.newspapers.com/article/18110397/column_mentions_88000/ Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

By the way it was well known around 2007, users started to go back and forth editing the WM 3 article to reflect the two conflicting figures. It got bad enough that the event’s entry is listed as one of the site’s “lamest edit wars,” and it has been reverted back like it was for years and a disputed note was put for the page Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware, however please read WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE. — Czello ^(music) 17:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

And there are a million source that has 93K attendancd figure,where is the consensus or permission that you don’t put those reported figures? Show me and let’s speak over there not here

bring someone to talk about this,i’m trying to improve wikipedia and you have an agenda and trying to change it everywhere

you said there was no opposition when it was clear it was Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I don’t have any agenda,i’m literally telling you put a disputed note for the numbers because there are so many different numbers for the 93K figure,there are people who said 79K,80K,85K,88K,90k,93K

and it wasn’t even 78K exactly,it was above 78K for your source Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok let’s discuss in the talk page,which one? Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

do you want to start a talk page at wrestlemania 3? Bigboss9893 (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Consensus,what i’m trying to say i didn’t see everyone agreeing about what you just did including Mr Lee V,he just said that hours ago and a couple of days ago

i don’t think they agree to remove the attendance figures completely

there is a dispute note for that

what is Mr Lee V stance regarding this? You can see it there Bigboss9893 (talk) 18:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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August 2023

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i thought there was gonna be a discussion? I put a long explanation just minutes ago Bigboss9893 (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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Girth Summit _(blether) 12:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #77764

is declined.  Confirmed sockpuppetry. --Yamla (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)