Talk:Martha Washington Hotel/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Voorts (talk · contribs) 18:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Review to come.

@Epicgenius: Excellent work.

Spot-check (all good unless otherwise noted):

• 1b
• 3a
• 8a
• 9e
• 14a
• 17 (but see note below re "laboratory")
• 30a
• 33a
• 73 - the source does not say that it was the first women's hotel in NYC
• 76
• 31d
• 89
• 96
• 102 & 103
• 112
• 120 & 121
• 128
• 138
• 142
• 151 & 152
• 165
• 187
• 191

Copyvio/paraphrasing:

• Some too close paraphrasing / directly copied text: [1]

Additional notes:

• Nearby buildings include the Church of the Transfiguration, Episcopal and the James New York – NoMad to the west, the Emmet Building to the south, and the Colony Club building and the Roger Hotel to the north. Is there a better citation for this sentence? Additionally, the previous sentence currently uses the same cite, so if not, remove the note at the end of that sentence.
• Next to the restaurant was a writing room, laboratory, and waiting room for men. The source does indeed say "laboratory", but I have to believe this is a typo given the context of having some accommodations for men. I believe it should have said "lavatory". Since we of course can't ask the newspaper what they meant or ask for the typo to be corrected, I recommend removing "laboratory" from the sentence.
• There was also a long hallway leading to a check-in desk, with mid-century modern furniture. Please clarify whether the furniture was in the hallway or the lobby area near the check-in desk.
• The second story had a tenant-only dining room, as well as several private reception rooms ... Please specify when.
• Given that this is a New York building, was the 13th story called the 13th floor or did they skip 13 and go to 14?
• About 36 women lived on each floor, and there were four communal toilets and four bathtubs on each floor. When?
• the company believed that the hotel could pay a 5 percent annual dividend and earn at least $150,000 per year for other hotels. It's not clear to me what "for other hotels" means. Does it mean that they wanted to use the money to build more hotels?
• lent 55 pieces and 7 sculptures to the hotel for decoration I assume this means 55 paintings?
• King & Grove CEO Ed Scheetz and Chetrit Group co-owned the hotel until 2013, when Scheetz took over five of the partners' 14 properties, including the King & Grove New York. Clarify when the hotel was renamed the King & Grove New York.
• Consolidate refs 12, 17, and 47.
• Doing the Town describes the hotel as being targeted towards white, middle-class women; you should definitely address class/race when you nominate this for FAC (as I presume you will).

That's all I've got. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @voorts. I will fix these soon, but I would first like to note two things:

• Thanks for the catch regarding ref 73. The hotel most definitely was not the first in NYC; in fact, an earlier women's hotel by A. T. Stewart is mentioned earlier on in the article. I rewrote the article based off this revision but forgot to remove that bit.
• I have removed the close paraphrasing, which was also based off an earlier copy of the article (although I suspect we might have a reverse copy on our hands, since the Historic Hotels page didn't appear in the Internet Archive until 2020). Some of the other phrases may fall under WP:LIMITED (i.e. proper names and common word formations like "on both 29th and 30th Streets").

– Epicgenius (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again @voorts. I've fixed all of the above issues now. I also have a few specific responses to some points:

• Is there a better citation for this sentence? Additionally, the previous sentence currently uses the same cite, so if not, remove the note at the end of that sentence. - Unfortunately, the best source that I could find is the city's official zoning map (which verifies that the addresses of the buildings mentioned are close to each other) and the city's landmarks map (which verifies the locations of city landmarks only). I normally would turn to the AIA Guide to New York City, but that guide doesn't include the Martha Washington Hotel.
• The source does indeed say "laboratory", but I have to believe this is a typo given the context of having some accommodations for men. - Yeah, it was likely a bathroom.
• Given that this is a New York building, was the 13th story called the 13th floor or did they skip 13 and go to 14? - It was called the 13th floor, but sources don't even consistently describe the hotel as having 13 stories, since that floor is the top floor and only covers part of the site. I suppose some sources consider it to be a penthouse.
• For the sentences where you asked "when", they were from the hotel's opening in 1903.
• It's not clear to me what "for other hotels" means. Does it mean that they wanted to use the money to build more hotels? - Yes.

– Epicgenius (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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