Talk:Neil Young (footballer, born 1944)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cptnono (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Notes

• Persondata is correctly used.
• No disambiguations.[1] But did you mean Deepdale (article about the stadium) or Deepdale?

The stadium.

• Ref 6 is dead.[2]
• I ran the dash script since one popped up in the refs. HTML was used correctly for a few. This is common enough but I am under the impression that it is not preferred. Great looking out since dash inconsistencies and errors are common across the footy project.
• The lead is a good summary of the guy his playing days highlights some of the achievements that make him a a little more notable than other players. It seems a little short, though. His life after football would round it out and make it a good stand alone summary. This is needed to fulfill GA criteria.

Not really sure how to approach this. Drifting from job to job and therefore living a life of modest means is a lot less notable than scoring the winning goal in a cup final. Will think about a good way to summarise it, but so far I'm struggling.

• The method of detailing his career was interesting and good with adding in info of the teams' seasonal performance in tandem. However, the second paragraph of the "Career" section is too much detail on the team without enough about the player. This should be trimmed up since it strays off topic.

A good point. Have trimmed slightly.

• Consider wikilinking "Inside forward" for those not familiar with the positions. Overall, you did nice work with the links since it would be easy to duplicate the teams. You also wikilinked some football specific terms which is appreciated.

Done.

• The word "single" might not be needed in the line "Young played every single match in the remainder of the 1961–62 season." I understand that it is common enough while speaking but might be considered redundant writing here. Will not fail based on this.

Done.

• The writing is of good quality for the most part. You might have overused "however". This is not a neutrality issue (WP:WORDS) but may be an unnecessary qualifier at the start of sentences. You might face some issues if you go to FA for trickier issues. Double check use of commas and consider adding more variation to the tone and style that sentences are started with. "Yada yada, blah blah blah" occurs a little much. Will not fail based on this.

A succinct summary of the recurring weaknesses of my writing style. Given how recently I've written this overfamiliarity means I can't get the distance required to iron it out properly, but its definitely something I'll take a look at if I revisit the article in the future.

• "not as celebrated nationally" does not need quotes. And if quotes are used you need to directly attribute it. One or the other is needed.

Quotation marks removed.

• At least a couple more lines are needed for his days with North End and Rochdale. Why he was he sold maybe. Any other highlight or some detail of any significance is hopefully available in the sources. This is needed to fulfill GA criteria.

There's very little. I even went to Preston library. This period takes up just five pages of his 212 page autobiography. Even the entry for him in the Who's Who of Preston North End only gets to his time at Preston in the final paragraph. I'll look again when I return the books I checked out to Preston, but I don't expect much. There are two published histories of Rochdale. One or both might be at Manchester Central Library, but that library is currently closed for refurbishment. I'm unlikely to have cause to visit Rochdale any time soon.

• Infobox mentions England youth but I missed it in the article. A quick mention and source is needed.

Done.

• The sentence "in his spare time he played badminton, and after winning local tournaments, played the sport for Cheshire." has a slight readability issue. I found myself double checking to see if he was dead since you used the past tense. You might want to stick the time period in there to clarify.

Rephrased. Other than being post-football, I cannot be certain of the exact dates.

• What type of cancer?

As far as I can determine this has not been made public.

• The "Honours" section is not sourced. I know that you can verify the info in other parts of the article but some reviewers frown upon this. I don't but wanted to mention it.
• Ref formatting is great.
  • You should just remove the dead link if the story was published on paper since there is nothing wrong with an offline source. **Should "Manchester Evening News" be put in italics?

Can't find it on the redesigned MEN site so I've cited it as an offline source as suggested.

• • Newcastlefans.com may not be RS. His sources are good but I assume that site does not meet the criteria for RS since it does not appear to have the required structure in place.

There's probably a WP:WPF discussion on this somewhere but I replaced it anyway.

• Images.
  • It would be nice to have a picture of the stadium that coincides with his playing time there
  • It would be nice to have an image of the guy
  • Nice work adding the trophy. Looks like images are limited. The images you did use have the appropriate licensing and are sufficient for GA.

Free images for players of Young's era are exceptionally rare. Those present are the best I could find. Oldelpaso (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Pass/Fail

Throwing this on hold. There were a couple things listed above that have to be addressed before passing but it appears simple enough so I look forward to passing this.Cptnono (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Pass. Nice work.Cptnono (talk) 23:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)