Talk:Huangshan/GA1
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I started reading this article. Images and references look fine. After I finish reading it, I anticipate passing it without delay. Crystal whacker (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
"watching the sunrise is considered by many to be a "mandatory" part of visiting the area." Does the reference say that it's "considered by many" or is the reference speaking only for itself? I'm just making sure you're not "cheating" here. :) Crystal whacker (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Corrected (diff). The ref doesn't say anything about "many," and I think I originally included the "by" phrase just to distance myself a bit from the statement. But I think the new wording should be ok; it's probably closer to what's in the source, and I can attest from my own experience that it is accurate (as part of "conventional wisdom" among many Chinese people I've spoken with during my time over there). Politizer talk/contribs 20:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
"The mountains were formed in the Mesozoic, about 100 million years ago, when an ancient sea disappeared due to uplift.[citation needed]" As I said in a previous review, I will pass an article with only one missing citation, but I do need to ask. Every other statement that should need a citation has one. Crystal whacker (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, good catch...that bit was added while I was on a short wikibreak and I must have missed it. I will leave a message with LedRush, who I believe is the editor who added it and who might have a copy of the book (ref 8) that the surrounding statements are taken from. If we can't find the source for it, I wouldn't have a problem with removing it or commenting out it (I think it was commented out in earlier revisions, as well). Politizer talk/contribs 20:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Just left a message with LedRush asking if he can check the book. I just noticed, though, that pretty much the same statement is included, in a shorter form, in the History section: "Mount Huang was formed approximately 100 million years ago and gained its unique rock formations in the Quaternary Glaciation.[8]" It doesn't mention Mesozoic, but it does say 100 million years ago, so I imagine that stuff is all from the same ref and the [citation needed] could be removed from where it appears earlier; I don't mind waiting a bit, though, to see if LedRush can confirm it for us. Politizer talk/contribs 20:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the answers. The issue with the citation appears to be a non-critical item, and I will pass the article regardless. I encourage you to work it out with Led Rush.
- I believe there were two sources for the mesozoic, one from a bad chinese website and one from my book, hence the two statements. I can't check until tomorrow though, as my book is at work. I'll check the chinese website (which I think we've removed as a possible source because of possible quality concerns) and report back tomorrow.LedRush (talk) 00:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I checked out my book and it has a cite for everything in the sentence except that 100 million years ago it was indeed the Mesozoic. I don't believe it is original research to state what geologic era it was at a specific time in the past when a reference for that time is provided. However, if we lose the link, I don't think the article suffers too much, so I will defer to the better judgment of more experienced editors.
- Finally, so we know how it came about, this statement was included in the stub article before I started to try and make it better, and before Politizer came and really made it better. We had cites for the 100 million bit and I saw through the link that 100 million years ago was indeed the Mesozoic and I thought that the link could only help the article. Anyway, there you go...LedRush (talk) 15:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on an outstanding article with beautiful photographs. I learned something by reading it. Crystal whacker (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2009 (UTC)