Talk:History of the University of Santo Tomas/GA1

Hello. I am reviewing this article as a Good Article nominee. Thelb⁴ 15:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I have several suggestions for which I will put the nomination on hold until the majority of them are completed. These are:

• The 'Quadricentennial celebration' section is too short (see WP:LAYOUT - "Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading..."). I suggest that either this section is significantly expanded, or the header removed, with the content kept in the 'Modern History' section.
• The material contained in the 'Many firsts' section should be removed from there and inserted into relevant points in the article.
• In the references section, there are many references to a J.V.Z Torres (2007) book and to an Evergisto Bavaco (1953) book. They clutter up the section. Perhaps this issue could be sorted.
• The 'Eighteenth century' section is too short. Consider expanding it.
• Many of the paragraphs are far too long, and become wearisome to read.
• Images. If any of the copyright problems cannot be resolved, then the relevant image must be removed from the article.

• For File:Santo Tomas Internment Camp Liberation .jpg, File:Miguel de Benavides.JPG and File:Ust old entrance.jpg: a) the license used on the picture does not match the usage on the page ("Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts"); b) there is no fair use rationale. Either use a different tag, or remove the images.
• File:Santisimo Rosario Parish.jpg has no copyright status tagged.
• File:UST Intramuros Old Side.jpg has no copyright status tagged.
• The images in the 'Spanish monarchs' section could be enlarged, and the pictures of Isabel II and Charles III swapped around.
• It would be nice to see some current pictures of the University in the latter half of the article.

I will also make some changes. These are:

• To remove 'correctly' from the 'Establishment' section.
• To change the section header 'The University and the Spanish Monarchs' to 'Spanish monarchs'.

The article is on hold for 7 days. Thelb⁴ 08:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

First editing after the first review

• The 'Quadricentennial celebration' section is too short (see WP:LAYOUT - "Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading..."). I suggest that either this section is significantly expanded, or the header removed, with the content kept in the 'Modern History' section.

The section has been expounded and will be expounded further.

• The material contained in the 'Many firsts' section should be removed from there and inserted into relevant points in the article.

Is it necessary to remove this section?

• In the references section, there are many references to a J.V.Z Torres (2007) book and to an Evergisto Bavaco (1953) book. They clutter up the section. Perhaps this issue could be sorted.

References with Bazaco are significantly changed and trimmed down.

• The 'Eighteenth century' section is too short. Consider expanding it.

I'll be borrowing again some books at the library to bulk up the section.

• Many of the paragraphs are far too long, and become wearisome to read.

Some paragraphs are already trimmed down. Wouldn't cutting the long paragraphs affect the continuity?

• Images. If any of the copyright problems cannot be resolved, then the relevant image must be removed from the article.

All images have edited copyright tags. A picture in the latter part of the article is also added.

I'll be adding more significant information in the article in the next few days. It's just vacation here in the Philippines so the library is unavailable.

As for the parts you wanted to change by yourself, I thought it's best not to edit them. Thank you so much Thelb4! Thanks for the time in reviewing this article! --Pampi1010 (talk) 13:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for making these changes - the references section looks much neater.

The 'Many firsts' (or now 'Milestones'), I think, is too close to a trivia section, but it's borderline.

As for the paragraphs, I was thinking more along the lines of cutting the paragraphs into two or three smaller paragraphs at appropriate points.

I still have problems with the images - the tag used on File:World Youth Day 1995 in UST.jpg says "Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts (which is the original market role, and is not allowed per policy)." However, the image is simply depicting the event in this article. Either the tag could be changed, or the image removed. Possibly find some fair use or public domain images to go in that section.

I have made the changes I described in my previous post, as well as bolding the headers on the table. Thelb⁴ 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Here are the updates!

• The contents of the disputed Many firsts or Milestones are transferred to their respective sections. I thought of pushing them but I realized, after reading the Trivia link and considering your expertise as a Wikipedian, slicing them up is the most right thing to do.

• I'm really having a hard time in cutting the length of the paragraphs. I did, however, manage to trim down again some.

• The aforementioned photo has been retagged.

Thank you so much Thelb4 for the speedy actions and replies! --Pampi1010 (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Final decision

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Very complete information here. Someone researching this topic would find this article a great help.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Although some of the captions in the 'Spanish monarchs' sect[ion could be expanded to say how the picture isr relevant to the topic.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail: