Talk:Heaven (Bryan Adams song)/GA2

GA Reassessment

This article has numerous problems that should have been caught by the first reviewer:

• 1. Well written
  • Obviously not written by a native speaker of English. Numerous problems with sentence construction, spelling, grammar, and other areas of the WP:MOS.

Im looking for a copyeditor.  Done

• 2. Factually accurate and verifiable
  • What makes skolarbete.nu and Rock on the Net reliable sources?I'VE USED IT ON MY FL, SO IT IS RELIABLE, SKOLE MEANS LEARNING IN DANISH Done
    • I didn't see either in your featured lists, not that that is the criterion. You need to explain how they're reliable (i.e. point me to their fact checking methods, connection with the subject or use as a source in other reliable publications).
  • You can't reproduce an Allmusic review in near-entirety, especially when you're not using it to advance any position. You're just throwing it out there.NO IM NOT
  • Original research in "It is arguably one of Adams' most recognizable and popular songs" and "breakthrough album." Done
    • The Allmusic review you're now using as a reference does not back up this claim.

Fixed it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• 3. Broad in its coverage
  • The writing and recording section deserves much more than what's there. Dates are nice to include, but they offer little insight.NOT MORE AVAILABLE INFORMATION Done
    • Then maybe this article can't reach good article status yet...which is okay!

Where does it say that a GA article needs to be long, nowhere. This is your personal opinion which has nothing to do here. There are many short GAs, even shorter then this one. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not asking that the article be long, just that it meet the criteria. I know almost nothing about the song itself after reading this article; all I know is that other people covered it and it made an impact on the charts. —Zeagler (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Found more information about the recording. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 21:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

All right, now we're getting somewhere. There's plenty more info on that page to mine...but the actual reference you've included points to the wrong page. How's the search for a copyeditor

going? —Zeagler (talk) 22:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the link and i'm still looking. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• 6. Images
  • How do you know Adams is playing "Heaven" in that particular image...and what does it add to the article? It would be far more informative to have a still from the music video with some discussion.I DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH UPLOADING OF PICTURES Done
  • The audio sample you included needs to be shortened – it's expected that sections will be cut off, so that's not a valid reason for exceeding 10%. The sample is also thrown out there without commentary. I'd recommend you find the most specific description of the song in the Allmusic review and create a new sample that illustrates that point. See how I did it in my featured article Lions (album).

I didn't upload that, was there when i startet editing and don't know how to do any of those things and you don't need a comment on a GA, their are many pages which don't have a commentary so. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 12:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

No doubt criterion 6b (WP:Captions) is overlooked in some cases due to the quality of the rest of the article. It's likely there are other cases where the reviewer doesn't understand the criteria. —Zeagler (talk) 13:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed it. But thats images, thats a song. But who cears i removed it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

—Zeagler (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• Problems still remain.
  • Jim Vallance doesn't support the claim that "['Heaven'] is arguably one of Adams' most recognizable and popular songs", either. The reader will infer that the song is popular from the rest of the lead, anyway, so it's probably best to cut the sentence. Done
  • WP:MOS problems remain, particularly with dates and album titles.
  • There are inaccuracies and inconsistencies in your naming of Billboard charts.
  • Retitle the "Reception" section "Cover versions" since that's all that's being discussed. Done
  • You still haven't explained how skolarbete.nu and Rock on the Net are reliable sources. You can get around the latter by referencing this link. Done

I'm still not convinced about skolarbete.nu, but I bet another source can be found... Done

• • Are you sure Steve Barron is American? Does including his nationality further our understanding of the video, anyway?THE VIDEO CENTERS AROUND ADAMDS PERFORMING THE SONG, NOT MUCH TO SAY
  • There is still important information to be added from Jim Vallance's page. Done
  • What is the track listing of the single? Was it released in any other format besides 7" vinyl? What are the variations among, say, the US, UK and Canadian singles? Done

—Zeagler (talk) 10:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• It's frustrating to see yet again the bare minimum of improvements made after the last round of flagging. The article is still in desperate need of copyediting, plus there is still missing/incorrect information. I'm delisting for now. —Zeagler (talk) 02:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)