Talk:Killing of Muammar Gaddafi/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aircorn (talk · contribs) 03:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I am willing to review this article. From my initial glance I see that the lead is far too short for the article. It needs to be fleshed out some more if it is to have any chance of getting good status. Once this has been done I will review further. AIRcorn (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   As said above a big one is the lead being far too short.

Ungrammatical sentences; e.g. He was widely rumoured to have taken refuge in the south of the country and in fact Gaddafi had fled in a small convoy to Sirte on the day Tripoli fell (widely rumored is also weaselly).Video shows Gaddafi’s body on display in the center of an emptied public freezer in Misrata (also repetitive).

Prose is choppy throughout the public display section.

Why use late strongman's? This is also a long and awkward sentence.

Does the Gaddafi's body section need all the sub-sections? Some are very short and the headings not very encyclopaedic.

The Concurrent capture or death of relatives and associates heading is very unwieldy.

What is the inclusion criteria for the other "death of ...." in the see also.

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Not gone into in any detail

2. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   I think everything that needs to be there is without going into too much detail.

3. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Talkpage comments aside, somewhat surprisingl the page history suggests that it is relatively stable over the past few weeks.

4. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Nothing jumped out as being extremely POV. All opinions have been presented as such. However, without going into the references in detail I am not confident enough to pass this criteria for a potentially controversial subject.

5. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   File:Muammar al-Gaddafi at the AU summit.jpg is good, but there is a template questioning the status of File:2011 Battle of Sirte.svg that will need to be addressed.

6. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   This appears to be a drive by nomination and the nominator has not responded after two weeks making me reluctant to get into too much detail with this article. Regardless I feel there are enough issues to prevent this passing now without some additional work. AIRcorn (talk) 07:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Further comments

'Category of topics which are better considered for GA status at least 2-3 years after the event' (when historical perspective comes into play rather than 'partisan present positions'). 80.254.147.68 (talk) 12:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Gaddafi died unpleasantly as the result of 'deliberate violence deliberately inflicted over a period of time by various people of a crowd or mob who may or may not have initially intended to kill him.'

His death does not come under the conventional definitions of murder (which could happen if 'a notable person' is not recognised at the time by the person killing them), assassination whether by a person or group (as with Julius Caesar, execution, in battle or as a result of warfare (if the flyover had killed him directly) or a palace coup (Salvador Allende). The most apposite term does seem to be 'lynching, used in its most colloquial sense' - and most people would not want there to be sufficient cases for a catch-all term to be invented. (Not WP-neutral I know - but sometimes taking a particular viewpoint is appropriate) 80.254.147.68 (talk) 15:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Changing the pov somewhat - which other 'leaders, ministers and senior administrative figures' can be said to 'have died of a mob'? The serving Archbishop of York during the Peasant's Revolt and who else? 80.254.147.68 (talk) 15:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Julius Caesar. There was also the guy who ran the Bastille in 1789. 198.151.130.44 (talk) 19:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Julius was the victim of a collective killing which had been previously planned. There was a Polish ex-PM years ago who was killed by burglars; and Spencer Percival's assassain had set out to kill a different politician - have there been any other cases of 'notable persons' being killed by mistake/instead of the intended victim? 'Other violent deaths' and 'deaths not elsewhere categorised' will contain some peculiar examples. (Jorg Haider counts as drink-driving rather than ordinary car-accicent.) 80.254.147.68 (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2013 (UTC)