File talk:Churchill on HMS Kelvin June 1944.JPG

PUI discussion

From WP:PUI as of 2007 July 5

• Image:Churchill on HMS Kelvin June 1944.JPG, Image:HMS Kelvin.JPG - Unless Wiki-Ed inherited the copyright rights to these images, (s)he has no right to release them under a free license. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Even if I inherited the originals? Wiki-Ed 09:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Did your great-uncle take the pictures? Do you have the negatives in your possession? If the answer is yes to both of these, then you own (or your family owns) the copyright. howcheng {chat} 20:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
      • The photos were taken by him (or presumably by his crew mates when he is in the picture). I don't have the negatives (were negatives returned after development 65 years ago?). Could you point me to the stipulation that copyright is only inherited with negatives? If they don’t exist then who holds the copyright? Wiki-Ed 10:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Perhaps take this in a bit of a different direction? We could argue they are Crown Copyright (since they were taken by sailors on duty) and are expired (crown copyright is 50 years). Wiki-Ed then released his digitalizations under the GFDL (discussions at Commons indicate that Bridgeman definitely do not apply to UK copyright photos). Thoughts? -N 10:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
          • If that would work then that would be good (the aim here, obviously, is to ensure these historical images can be seen). It would also get around the technical argument that he did not literally take all the photos himself (since, as I said, he is in some of them[1]). Wiki-Ed 12:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Per N, this looks like a GFDL scan of a PD image, unless the scan doesn't qualify for copyright, in which case it's a PD scan of a PD image. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 13:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Maybe we should ask Wiki-Ed to explicitly release any rights he may have into the public domain. -N 13:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Yeah sure. Since you guys seems to be the experts on this, what do I need to change the tag to? Wiki-Ed 19:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
        • I recommend changing the tags to {{PD-BritishGov}} with a note on the page saying the approximate date they were taken and by Her Majesty's sailors in the course of their duties, that you inherited them, and you are releasing them, perhaps accompanying this another tag such as GFDL or {{attribution}} if you'd like to retain the right of attribution as the source. I think you'll find the parameters on {{attribution}} quite flexible for this purpose. -N 20:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
          • If you inherited the originals, then we should meta:Avoid Copyright Paranoia unless someone else is claiming copyright over them. See #May 18 above. GFDL is fine. I'll remove the "disputed" tags. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 20:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)